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11:48:24 <fsasaki> meeting: ITS IG
11:48:26 <fsasaki> chair: felix
11:48:37 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Jul/0001.html
11:48:46 <fsasaki> regrets: christian, phil
11:48:48 <fsasaki> present+ felix
11:49:01 <fsasaki> topic: roll call
11:49:06 <fsasaki> checking attendees ...
11:49:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/02-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
11:54:18 <fsasaki> issue-3: can be closed with http://www.w3.org/2014/04/30-i18nits-minutes.html#action01
11:54:18 <trackbot> Notes added to issue-3 Define how namespace prefix binding is passed to CSS selectors.
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12:04:03 <fsasaki> topic: action items
12:04:05 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/track/actions/open
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12:05:27 <fsasaki> action-33?
12:05:27 <trackbot> action-33 -- David Lewis to Work on its ontology documentation in turtle -- due 2014-05-30 -- OPEN
12:05:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/track/actions/33
12:05:34 <pedro> present+ pedro
12:05:38 <fsasaki> dave: mail is sent out
12:05:44 <fsasaki> .. that was the main new stuff to be done
12:05:57 <fsasaki> .. just need to sync with sebastian how to move forward
12:06:05 <fsasaki> .. would be good to get comments
12:06:19 <fsasaki> .. I suggested to use that in the webplatform.org page jirka started
12:06:59 <fsasaki> present+ serge
12:07:18 <daveL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Jun/0019.html
12:09:29 <fsasaki> dave: I'll contact sebastian on how to follow up
12:09:35 <fsasaki> close action-33
12:09:35 <trackbot> Closed action-33.
12:10:41 <fsasaki> topic: Open Data Management position statement
12:10:48 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Open_Data_Management_for_Public_Automated_Translation_Services
12:11:36 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2014Jun/0017.html
12:12:37 <fsasaki> discussion about the document
12:14:25 <fsasaki> serge: discussion last week at lt-innovate, my impression is that we have time. the doc currently is pre-mature, we need to think more what to add / what to express
12:14:43 <fsasaki> s/time/time to provide input to other efforts
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12:17:04 <fsasaki> dave: agree
12:17:29 <fsasaki> .. want to socialize the doc with gala, crisp initiative etc.
12:17:39 <fsasaki> serge: want to put more marketing weight in this
12:18:27 <fsasaki> dave: good to know that this is not so urgent
12:19:19 <fsasaki> .. people at lt-innovate also said it would be good to relate the doc to other efforts like RDF mapping of meta-share
12:19:40 <fsasaki> .. about data activity in w3c - I looked at linked data platform
12:19:53 <fsasaki> .. seems to be very relevant for the doc we are writing
12:20:11 <fsasaki> .. basic assumption: have a web server that serves RDF and other data types
12:20:34 <fsasaki> .. have not seen many implementations yet - they are working on this now?
12:20:35 <fsasaki> felix: yes
12:20:51 <daveL> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-primer/ldp-primer.html
12:22:42 <fsasaki> felix asking about scope of doc, given jörg's mail
12:23:02 <fsasaki> dave: we had similar discussion with other people - cef is a conrete use case with a clear audience
12:23:28 <fsasaki> .. it is good to keep it focused but synchronized with other efforts, e.g. what is going on with meta-share / tbx in the ld4lt group
12:23:42 <fsasaki> .. in terms of practical output:
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12:23:53 <daveL> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Draft_Guidelines_on_Bitext_as_Linked_Data
12:24:21 <fsasaki> .. bpmlod group (again driven by LIDER) looks into diferrent types of language resources
12:24:32 <fsasaki> .. there are guidelines about how to publish bitext
12:24:51 <fsasaki> .. e.g. it does not have to be RDF, can be TBX / CSV / XLIFF / ...
12:25:23 <fsasaki> .. so one way of approaching the guideline could be a profile of the "linked data platform" specification
12:25:43 <fsasaki> .. that is: what would be the bitext specification for a web service that serves bitext?
12:25:55 <fsasaki> .. the other part would be the conceptual part that is covered by ontolex group
12:26:04 <fsasaki> .. would be good to line that up and look at our audience
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12:32:33 <fsasaki> Pedro: e-commerce as a usage scenario - what are the needs of open / linked data at the European level? that has a real application
12:33:00 <fsasaki> .. e-commerce can help to unify european market
12:33:18 <fsasaki> serge: e-commerce is only one aspect - flow of information is important too
12:33:34 <fsasaki> .. e-commerce can be flow of information - you cannot focus on trade as such, right?
12:33:55 <fsasaki> pedro: agree, don't want to be focused on e-commerce only, but e-commerce could be a good use case
12:34:06 <fsasaki> .. agree with serge that content is everything, also legal content
12:35:00 <fsasaki> .. I am saying e-commerce since linked data issue to make business with it - if you don't see the fruit today the next day it is getting bad
12:35:26 <fsasaki> .. in e-commerce this is very true - change of data is very high. I mention this as an application only, not as main subsect of the document
12:35:28 <fsasaki> serge: ok
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12:36:15 <fsasaki> dave: CEF aspect is: automated translation should help other infrastructures in Europe
12:36:44 <fsasaki> .. they have a specific list of other CEF services to support with automated translation, not as a general service in Europe
12:37:05 <fsasaki> .. of course there is a gap between CMS and localization
12:37:16 <fsasaki> .. filling that gap with e-commerce may make sense
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12:38:31 <daveL> https://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/sites/digital-agenda/files/WP2014%20-%20official%20published.pdf
12:43:48 <daveL> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/
12:43:55 <fsasaki> felix: maybe provide use cases like e-commerce in the ld4lt group?
12:43:57 <fsasaki> dave: agree
12:44:03 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/Seed_Use_Cases
12:46:00 <fsasaki> topic: ITS and XLIFF (placeholder)
12:46:56 <fsasaki> yves: depends on what we want to do
12:47:06 <fsasaki> .. if we want to be with release version of XLIFF
12:47:16 <fsasaki> .. have not been able to do things in mapping doc
12:47:33 <fsasaki> .. classify data cats that are in XLIFF already - started that today
12:47:55 <fsasaki> .. for the parts that need specific markup and make a module then for that
12:48:13 <fsasaki> ... will work on the wiki page and then tell people to look at that - after that we need implementers
12:48:38 <fsasaki> dave: we could work on CNGL on implementing the mappings
12:48:57 <fsasaki> .. that worked well in lt-web - parser for ITS2.0, david did some work with XLIFF 2.0
12:49:09 <fsasaki> .. supporting the mappings we'd do on the CNGL side
12:49:57 <fsasaki> .. makes it more digestable to the XLIFF people if we have the classification yves described
12:50:04 <fsasaki> topic:  MQM and ITS (placeholder)
12:50:40 <fsasaki> dave: will bring it up at ld4lt call tomorrow
12:50:47 <fsasaki> felix: will see if arle can participate in that
12:51:01 <fsasaki> topic: Wiki clean up and reasonable planning of topics for the next months
12:51:10 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Main_Page#Work_items.2C_issues.2C_actions
12:52:56 <fsasaki> topic: aob?
12:55:01 <fsasaki> discussion about autumn events (locworld, tpac, unicode etc.)
12:55:21 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/
12:55:59 <fsasaki> dave: would be good to meet with linked data best practice group
12:56:29 <fsasaki> .. need to look into overlap with locworld
12:56:49 <fsasaki> .. feisgiltt work on object models - not sure if there is a good place to talk about that?
12:57:20 <fsasaki> .. web IDL topic
12:58:04 <fsasaki> .. other people to talk to: open annotation people
12:59:14 <fsasaki> adjourned
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13:00:52 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
13:00:52 <RRSAgent> I see no action items