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16:27:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
16:27:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
16:27:18 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
16:27:19 <trackbot> Date: 26 June 2014
16:27:32 <jeanne> chair: jeanne
16:27:47 <jeanne> regrets+ Jim, Kelly
16:29:20 <jeanne> agenda+ TPAC registration
16:30:13 <jeanne> agenda+ TPAC F2F Meeting Sunday
16:31:44 <jeanne> agenda+ LG03 & SH03 - Jan's Proposal
16:32:34 <jeanne> agenda+ SH04 - jan's proposal
16:32:56 <jeanne> agenda+ HTML5-A11y TF and Jeanne's proposal
16:33:07 <jeanne> agenda+ SH05
16:33:14 <jeanne> agenda+ SH06
16:33:40 <jeanne> agenda+ CA01
16:33:59 <jeanne> agenda?
16:34:38 <jeanne> agenda+ introduce "botie"
16:59:02 <jeanne> agenda+ preparation for next week - 1.4 proposals
17:00:12 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
17:00:19 <Zakim> +Jeanne
17:04:28 <Greg> Greg has joined #ua
17:04:49 <Zakim> +Greg_Lowney
17:06:14 <Jan> Jan has joined #ua
17:06:19 <Jan> zakim, code?
17:06:19 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan
17:07:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:07:44 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
17:07:44 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
17:17:27 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 1
17:17:27 <Zakim> agendum 1. "TPAC registration" taken up [from jeanne]
17:17:58 <jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014AprJun/0070.html
17:18:34 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
17:18:34 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC F2F Meeting Sunday" taken up [from jeanne]
17:19:11 <jeanne> AWK has agreed, and is completing forms for us to have a room on Sunday.  We will be able to meet for 3 days.
17:19:59 <jeanne> Inlcude that 3rd day in any cost estimates to be sent to Jeanne for those who need support.
17:20:59 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
17:20:59 <Zakim> agendum 3. "LG03 & SH03 - Jan's Proposal" taken up [from jeanne]
17:21:26 <jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014AprJun/0066.html
17:21:34 <jeanne> GL: looks fine
17:21:48 <jeanne> JS: Looks good
17:22:21 <jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014AprJun/0069.html
17:23:21 <jeanne> JS: What order?
17:23:42 <jeanne> 1) Retrieved, 2) Current, 3) recongized
17:24:08 <jeanne> GL: I was recommending the most common to least common occurance order
17:24:17 <jeanne> ... but am ok with the proposed order.
17:25:17 <jeanne> RESOLUTION: Add Jan's proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014AprJun/0069.html of 2 new Applicability Notes in the order of 1) Retrieved, 2) Current, 3) Recongized
17:26:01 <jeanne> action: jeanne to add Jan's proposal of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014AprJun/0069.html
17:26:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-988 - Add jan's proposal of http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/w3c-wai-ua/2014aprjun/0069.html [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-07-03].
17:26:07 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
17:26:07 <Zakim> agendum 4. "SH04 - jan's proposal" taken up [from jeanne]
17:26:23 <jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014AprJun/0067.html
17:26:43 <jeanne> GL: I'm still trying to figure out that one.
17:27:00 <Jan> brb
17:27:49 <Jan> back
17:29:51 <jeanne> JS: I see the use case the table cell where the label of the heading would be displayed in the cell
17:29:51 <Zakim> -Jan
17:30:19 <jeanne> GL: What if the cell header had an image? Would it display the alt text?
17:30:53 <jeanne> ... I have an email I am drafting that has about 10 items like that.
17:31:31 <jeanne> ... I think it can be saved, but it needs to be clarified more
17:32:11 <jeanne> regrets+ Kim
17:35:22 <jeanne> [jeanne and greg discuss next steps]
17:35:27 <jeanne> topic: 1.4
17:35:30 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/08-ua-minutes.html
17:36:04 <jeanne> action-979 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/979
17:58:53 <jeanne> topic: draft proposal for 1.4
17:59:33 <Greg> "Line spacing range including 1 and 2, with at least one step in between"?
17:59:42 <jeanne> 1.4.1 - add line spacing as a bullet
18:00:32 <Greg> Line spacing, range includes 1x and 2x the base size, with at least one step in between
18:00:55 <jeanne> Line spacing, choosing from 1x to 2x the base size, with at least one step in between
18:01:28 <jeanne>  Line spacing, choosing from 100% to 200% the base size, with at least one step in between
18:02:36 <jeanne> Line spacing, choosing from 1x to 2x the font size, with at least one step in between
18:04:22 <jeanne>  Line spacing, choosing from at least 1x to 2x the font size, with at least one step in between
18:04:33 <Greg> It will be odd for 1.4.1 to have one item with very specific numbers, the rest being left entirely vague (e.g.you can comply with only two text scale choices, 1x and 10x).
18:09:49 <Greg> We could either leave the Level A requirement vague, without numbers, like we do for text scale, or we could make them both have numbers, or just leave one specific and one vague.
18:10:58 <Greg> Although in 1.4.1 only scale is vague; color and font are very specific.
18:11:01 <jeanne> Line spacing, choosing from a range of at least three
18:11:18 <jeanne> Line spacing, choosing from a range of at least three values
18:11:49 <jeanne> REmove lines spacing from 1.4.3
18:12:32 <jeanne> Proposed: Add to 1.4.1 Line spacing, choosing from a range of at least three values
18:13:15 <jeanne> Proposed: remove Lines spacing from 1.4.3
18:13:33 <jeanne> s/range of/range with
18:13:56 <jeanne> Topic: character spacing
18:14:40 <jeanne> WD: Character spacing MIN 0.02 to MAX 0.1
18:15:03 <jeanne> WD: character .01 to .1, much beyond it slows the reader down.
18:15:31 <Greg> Wayne also said "character spacing is most effective at .1"
18:15:33 <jeanne> [from the meeting of 8 May. Wayne was not on the call today]
18:16:40 <Greg> That's presumably adding an extra .01 to .1 em to the default character spacing.
18:17:10 <Greg> Adding an extra .01 to .1 *base character width* to the default character spacing.
18:21:29 <jeanne> Margins move to AA
18:21:37 <jeanne> Character spacing stays at AA
18:21:56 <jeanne> Text style moves to AAA
18:22:52 <jeanne> Margins = spacing between columns of text
18:22:53 <Greg> When we talk about margins, are we talking about the common meaning of page margins, or the CSS meaning of margins for anything and everything?
18:23:10 <Greg> Between or around?
18:23:17 <jeanne> around
18:23:31 <Greg> "Margins around columns of text"?
18:25:00 <Greg> Wayne proposed moving margins from AAA to AA, saying "there is one need group that would need column width and spacing issues to be AA...folks with 'tunnel vision' need the reduced spacing..."
18:25:55 <jeanne> Proposed: margins around columns of text will move into 1.4.3
18:27:36 <Greg> I'd be happy with titles like "Basic text formatting (Globally)", "Advanced text formatting (by Element)", etc.
18:28:53 <jeanne> botie, inform jeanne2 check your email for a message from me
18:28:53 <botie> will do
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18:30:28 <botie> jeanne2, at 2014-06-26 18:28 UTC, jeanne said: check your email for a message from me
18:31:09 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
18:31:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/26-ua-minutes.html jeanne
18:37:51 <Zakim> -Greg_Lowney
18:37:52 <Zakim> -Jeanne
18:37:52 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
18:37:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Jeanne, Greg_Lowney, Jan
18:54:22 <jeanne> zakim, bye
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18:54:44 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
18:54:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/26-ua-minutes.html jeanne