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13:28:22 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
13:28:22 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:28:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:28:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:28:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:28:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:28:26 <trackbot> Date: 25 June 2014
13:28:38 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:28:39 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:28:40 <sharper> Agenda+ 'Open-Mic' Round-Table Discussion of one of the Topics [all]
13:28:42 <sharper> Agenda+ Symposium Status: Way-Finding [christos, vivienne, annika]
13:28:43 <sharper> Agenda+ Symposium Status: Web-of-Things [shadi, klaus]
13:28:45 <sharper> Agenda+ Symposium Status: Big Data [sharper, all]
13:28:46 <sharper> Agenda+ Symposium Status: Wearables [markel]
13:28:48 <sharper> Agenda+ Symposium Status: Web Inclusion [all]
13:28:49 <sharper> Agenda+ The two Dynamic / Development Research Ideas [pete]
13:28:51 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Metrics  [markel, giorgio]
13:28:52 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Mobile [bim]
13:28:54 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Text Customisation [david, shawn]
13:28:55 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: Easy to Read [klaus]
13:28:57 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: User Modeling [yehya]
13:28:58 <sharper> Agenda+ Note Edit Status: eLearning [justin, silvia]
13:28:59 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/open [sharper]
13:29:00 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Any Other Business 	 [sharper]
13:29:07 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
13:29:07 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:29:07 <sharper> Last weeks - and previous minutes can be found at:
13:29:09 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/minutes-history>
13:29:10 <sharper> Keep on-top of scribing at:
13:29:12 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
13:29:13 <sharper> Scribing Commands:
13:29:13 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Weekly_Call_Scribing>
13:29:16 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
13:29:22 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2014/06/25-rd-agenda.rdf
13:29:41 <markel> markel has joined #rd
13:30:03 <sharper> regrets: yehya, justin, giorgio
13:30:10 <Bim> zakim, call bim-617
13:30:10 <Zakim> ok, Bim; the call is being made
13:30:11 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
13:30:13 <Zakim> +Bim
13:30:38 <annika> annika has joined #rd
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13:30:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:30:59 <Zakim> +??P21
13:31:10 <markel> zakim, ??P21 is markel
13:31:10 <Zakim> +markel; got it
13:31:11 <silvia_mirri> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:31:12 <Zakim> +silvia_mirri; got it
13:31:19 <Zakim> +??P24
13:31:27 <Zakim> +??P22
13:31:27 <sharper> zakim, ??P24 is sharper
13:31:28 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:31:45 <annika> zakim, ??P22 is me
13:31:45 <Zakim> +annika; got it
13:31:49 <Zakim> +??P25
13:31:56 <silvia_mirri> zakim, mute me
13:31:56 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should now be muted
13:32:08 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:32:08 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:32:46 <klaus> klaus has joined #rd
13:32:57 <Bim> zakim, mute me
13:32:57 <Zakim> Bim should now be muted
13:33:31 <sharper> zakim, agenda?
13:33:31 <Zakim> I see 16 items remaining on the agenda:
13:33:32 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:33:32 <Zakim> 2. 'Open-Mic' Round-Table Discussion of one of the Topics [from all via sharper]
13:33:32 <Zakim> 3. Symposium Status: Way-Finding [from christos, vivienne, annika via sharper]
13:33:32 <Zakim> 4. Symposium Status: Web-of-Things [from shadi, klaus via sharper]
13:33:33 <Zakim> 5. Symposium Status: Big Data [from sharper, all via sharper]
13:33:33 <Zakim> 6. Symposium Status: Wearables [from markel via sharper]
13:33:34 <Zakim> 7. Symposium Status: Web Inclusion [from all via sharper]
13:33:34 <Zakim> 8. The two Dynamic / Development Research Ideas [from pete via sharper]
13:33:34 <Zakim> 9. Note Edit Status: Metrics  [from markel, giorgio via sharper]
13:33:34 <Zakim> 10. Note Edit Status: Mobile [from bim via sharper]
13:33:34 <Zakim> 11. Note Edit Status: Text Customisation [from david, shawn via sharper]
13:33:34 <Zakim> 12. Note Edit Status: Easy to Read [from klaus via sharper]
13:33:35 <Zakim> 13. Note Edit Status: User Modeling [from yehya via sharper]
13:33:36 <Zakim> 14. Note Edit Status: eLearning [from justin, silvia via sharper]
13:33:36 <Zakim> 15. STANDING  - https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/open [from sharper]
13:33:36 <Zakim> 16. STANDING  - Any Other Business 	 [from sharper]
13:33:39 <markel> SH: I’ll change the order so we can do the notes first
13:33:43 <markel> zakim, take up item 9
13:33:43 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Note Edit Status: Metrics " taken up [from markel, giorgio via sharper]
13:34:06 <markel> SH: where are we up to?
13:34:34 <sharper> MV: meeting last week with JB showed some concern about the current narative of the note
13:35:15 <sharper> MV: Not clear what the goal of the notes was, mention some lack of cohesion in the note as there is research work and the symposium focus
13:35:57 <sharper> MV: gave some general recommendations, editors asked for specifics so they can be addressed - editors now waiting for clarification.
13:37:23 <markel> SH: I’ll email Shadi and Judy to find out what’s going on
13:37:58 <markel> zakim, close item 9
13:37:58 <Zakim> agendum 9, Note Edit Status: Metrics , closed
13:37:59 <Zakim> I see 15 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:37:59 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:38:10 <markel> zakim, take up item 10
13:38:10 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Note Edit Status: Mobile" taken up [from bim via sharper]
13:38:59 <Bim> ack me
13:39:08 <markel> SH: I got comments from Bim, it should be ready soon; there are a few things to be considered but does not seem to be loads of them.
13:39:23 <Bim> zakim, mute me
13:39:23 <Zakim> Bim should now be muted
13:39:23 <markel> BIM: that’s true; it’s just some clarifications.
13:39:36 <markel> zakim, close item 9
13:39:36 <Zakim> agendum 9, Note Edit Status: Metrics , closed
13:39:37 <Zakim> I see 15 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:39:37 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:39:40 <markel> zakim, close item 10
13:39:40 <Zakim> agendum 10, Note Edit Status: Mobile, closed
13:39:41 <Zakim> I see 14 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:39:41 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:39:47 <markel> zakim, take up item 11
13:39:47 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Note Edit Status: Text Customisation" taken up [from david, shawn via sharper]
13:40:06 <markel> SH: has anybody heard anything about this note?
13:40:27 <markel> SH: I’ll send an email to know the current status
13:40:30 <markel> zakim, close item 11
13:40:30 <Zakim> agendum 11, Note Edit Status: Text Customisation, closed
13:40:31 <Zakim> I see 13 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:40:31 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:40:37 <markel> zakim, take up item 12
13:40:37 <Zakim> agendum 12. "Note Edit Status: Easy to Read" taken up [from klaus via sharper]
13:40:49 <markel> SH: what’s the current status of the note?
13:41:06 <Bim> ack me
13:41:09 <markel> KM: we addressed all the comments we got and this should be ready for publication.
13:41:25 <markel> SH: is this right Bim?
13:41:46 <markel> Bim: right, I sent some feedback about this to SAZ.
13:42:40 <shadi> [[probably needs lots of rewrite to make the report easier to read]]
13:43:00 <markel> SH: sounds fine to me
13:43:15 <Bim> zakim, mute me
13:43:15 <Zakim> Bim should now be muted
13:43:25 <klaus> Hi folks, I can only stay for a few minutes due to a meeting. Re point 4: Internet of Things; we still need time to start (ICCHP takes all our time)
13:43:32 <Zakim> -??P25
13:43:38 <markel> zakim, close item 13
13:43:39 <Zakim> agendum 13, Note Edit Status: User Modeling, closed
13:43:39 <Zakim> I see 12 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:43:39 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:43:49 <markel> zakim, take up item 14
13:43:49 <Zakim> agendum 14. "Note Edit Status: eLearning" taken up [from justin, silvia via sharper]
13:43:50 <Bim> ack me
13:44:11 <markel> zakim, close item 14
13:44:12 <Zakim> agendum 14, Note Edit Status: eLearning, closed
13:44:13 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:44:13 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:44:20 <Bim> zakm, mute me
13:44:21 <markel> zakim, take up item 13
13:44:21 <Zakim> agendum 13. "Note Edit Status: User Modeling" taken up [from yehya via sharper]
13:44:40 <markel> SH: does YM have this or we got this back?
13:44:42 <Bim> zakim, mute me
13:44:42 <Zakim> Bim should now be muted
13:44:48 <markel> Bim: no news about this.
13:44:54 <markel> zakim, close item 13
13:44:54 <Zakim> agendum 13, Note Edit Status: User Modeling, closed
13:44:55 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:44:55 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:44:59 <silvia_mirri> zakim, unmute me
13:44:59 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should no longer be muted
13:45:02 <markel> zakim, take up item 14
13:45:02 <Zakim> agendum 14. "Note Edit Status: eLearning" taken up [from justin, silvia via sharper]
13:45:15 <silvia_mirri> can you hear me?
13:45:17 <markel> SH: what’s the status of the elearning note SM?
13:45:35 <silvia_mirri> yes! sure
13:45:52 <silvia_mirri> Unfortunately we are really late with this note... I'm sorry about that
13:46:04 <silvia_mirri> but Justin and I are going to work on it
13:46:14 <silvia_mirri> we have fix some meetings
13:46:15 <markel> SH:
13:46:20 <silvia_mirri> so as to work together
13:46:29 <silvia_mirri> we are going to meet tomorrow
13:47:05 <silvia_mirri> ok, thank you very much
13:47:06 <markel> SH: we’ll wait your feedback; whenever it is ready we can give it to Bim.
13:47:26 <markel> zakim, close item 14
13:47:26 <Zakim> agendum 14, Note Edit Status: eLearning, closed
13:47:27 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:47:27 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:47:30 <silvia_mirri> zakim, mute me
13:47:30 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should now be muted
13:48:00 <markel> SH: we have way finding sorted
13:48:19 <markel> SH: also web of things
13:48:41 <markel> SH: does anybody know somebody to handle remaining topics?
13:49:15 <markel> SH: open mic has been quite succesful when working on the wiki
13:49:46 <markel> SH: I’d like to have an open mic discussion about the topics, if there is anything the group might find particularly useful
13:50:10 <markel> SH: for instance, do we want to deal with automotive issues on the wayfinding topic
13:50:38 <markel> SH: does anybody have any idea or contribution about the current reasearch topics?
13:51:20 <sharper> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Topics
13:52:06 <markel> SH: would anybody like to add notes or discuss about a particular topic?
13:53:02 <markel> SH: I’d like people to say anything they want
13:53:28 <markel> SH: I’ll attempt to put this onto the topics wiki
13:54:18 <annika> zakim, unmute me
13:54:19 <Zakim> annika should no longer be muted
13:55:17 <markel> AN: I agree it is a broad topic and it should be quite straightforward to adapt to the web
13:55:46 <markel> AN: we should perhaps highlight the challenges and future opportunities of this technology for people with disabilities
13:55:54 <sharper> We should also cover self driving automotive / Google Car - accessibility benefits (with a Web slant)
13:55:54 <sharper> Judy Comment last week should be Web focused - Annika agrees needs to focused on Web relevant issues.
13:55:55 <sharper> Should be straight forward. Geo-location APIs etc highlight specific challenges of people with disabilities, and usage for people with disabilities .
13:57:17 <sharper> In line with Annikas comments would be happy to be able to identify what are the web issues related to way-finding - without addressing or trying to solve the problem, identifying them is good enough (Markel).
13:58:21 <markel> SH: identifying the things that are good for the web would be a good starting point. So far it is difficult to find the extent of it
13:59:39 <markel> MV: does the geolocation API say anything about notifications?
13:59:55 <markel> AN: it says something that accessibility should be considered, roughly
14:01:14 <markel> SH: any ideas about automotive UI? how this can benefit people with disabilities?
14:01:18 <silvia_mirri> Since my mic does not work, may I type a couple of comments?
14:01:19 <annika> "The Geolocation Working Group expects to work directly with the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) Working Group to ensure that any accessibility implications inherent to this work have been taken into account and addressed." (from http://www.w3.org/2008/geolocation/)
14:02:06 <markel> SH: there is a video from Google that shows how  car drives users through a voice interface
14:03:15 <sharper> Commonality between web audio interfaces and automotive control for blind users - Commonalties and overlaps could be drawn.
14:03:38 <silvia_mirri> I've got a couple of comments
14:03:44 <silvia_mirri> may I type?
14:03:56 <silvia_mirri> the first one is related to open data
14:04:03 <silvia_mirri> open data from public administrations
14:04:14 <silvia_mirri> they can provide useful data about urban environments
14:04:21 <silvia_mirri> and about indoor public buildings
14:04:41 <silvia_mirri> these data could be useful also for multimodal paths
14:04:47 <silvia_mirri> for citizens
14:04:49 <markel> which reminds me of http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/2596695.2596708
14:04:52 <silvia_mirri> pedestrinas
14:05:05 <silvia_mirri> and by public means of transport
14:05:06 <markel> “A survey of open accessibility data“ was presented at W4a
14:05:18 <silvia_mirri> yes, I was think about that paper too!
14:05:53 <silvia_mirri> yes
14:06:13 <silvia_mirri> we are working on a project with our regional public administrations
14:06:32 <silvia_mirri> to provide personalized paths to citizens with different disabilities
14:06:41 <silvia_mirri> I'd be glad to help
14:07:15 <silvia_mirri> ok, thank you
14:09:29 <markel> SH: any other business before we close?
14:09:45 <Zakim> -sharper
14:09:45 <sharper> sharper has left #rd
14:09:46 <Zakim> -annika
14:09:46 <Zakim> -Bim
14:09:48 <Zakim> -markel
14:09:48 <silvia_mirri> bye all!
14:09:50 <markel> markel has left #rd
14:10:23 <Zakim> -silvia_mirri
14:10:24 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
14:10:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Bim, markel, silvia_mirri, sharper, annika
14:14:38 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:14:38 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:14:38 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:14:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:14:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/25-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:14:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:14:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items