IRC log of html-media on 2014-06-24

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Zakim, this will be 63342
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ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 24 June 2014
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14:51:35 [paulc]
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zakim, [Microsoft] is me
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+paulc; got it
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+ +1.415.832.aaaa
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see paulc, glenn, +1.415.832.aaaa, markw, Niels_Thorwirth
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+ +1.408.536.aabb
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Zakim, aabb is me
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+joesteele; got it
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Zakim, aaaa is glenn
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+glenn; got it
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Zakim, aaaa is geguechi
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sorry, joesteele, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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zakim, who's on the call?
15:05:17 [Zakim]
On the phone I see paulc, glenn, glenn.a, markw, Niels_Thorwirth, joesteele, ReimundoGarcia, [Microsoft]
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scribe: joesteele
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chair: paulc
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zakim, glenn.a is geguchi
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+geguchi; got it
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ACTION-59 -- Paul Cotton to Coordinate with web apps on the streams api, give them mse requirements and timeline -- due 2013-12-17 -- OPEN
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ACTION-62 -- Paul Cotton to Report back about the plan for 20944 due 2013-12-15 -- due 2013-12-10 -- OPEN
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15:06:58 [joesteele]
paulc: both of these are long outstanding actions
15:07:09 [joesteele]
... believe these are both still open and on me
15:07:22 [joesteele]
topic: EME status and bugs
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15:07:35 [joesteele]
paulc: situation is that EME doc has not been updated in last week
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... bug count has gone up by 2
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EME bugs:
15:07:50 [joesteele]
... probably one new and one reopened
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... might be wirht looking at new one
15:07:59 [paulc]
Bug 26118 - Event dictionaries need default values
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15:09:28 [joesteele]
paulc: Anne says "event dictionaries need default values"
15:09:37 [markw]
15:09:37 [joesteele]
... not sure where in the doc he is pointing to
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?1: if any event types are defined -- generally associated with a JS dictionary -- needs some default values
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paulc: maybe provide some links to the spec
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markw: I think this is section 3.1 where events are defined
15:10:38 [paulc]
15:10:52 [joesteele]
... dictionaries are optional. If you don't sepcify the dictionary in the constructor what are the values?
15:10:59 [joesteele]
... that seems to be the question
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?1: I see those -- those fields need default values
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markw: syntax should be specifying the defaults
15:12:11 [joesteele]
?1: WebIDL provides for restricted values -- e.g. initData type since non-optional, would need a default type, e.g. emtpy string ""
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15:12:43 [glenn]
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paulc: sounds like an oversight on our use of WebIDL -- asiggned to the editors
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topic: Use Case wiki
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paulc: status last week was there was more work to do, asking for input
15:13:43 [paulc]
Last week's discussion:
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joesteele: did a little more work, did not see any input as yet
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... I will send an email again asking for input
15:14:28 [joesteele]
paulc: suggest when you are done -- you will have to post a speciifc request
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topic: MSE status and bugs
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MSE editors draft:
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paulc: Aaron has updated the MSE draft with almost all outstanding requests
15:15:19 [joesteele]
... thinking of doing a heartbeat update
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... no need to request from WG on this
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... any progress offline
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jdsmith: Adrian said he will try to do that
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... i.e. publish the heartbeat
15:16:22 [joesteele]
paulc: ok so maybe this week, maybe next. Will take 4-5 days after website admin is notified
15:16:30 [joesteele]
paulc: one outstanding bug
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Outstanding bug: Bug 25581 - Establish a update process & home for byte stream format registry and byte stream specs.
15:16:47 [paulc]
15:16:52 [joesteele]
... created to track the update process for the bytestream registry
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... folded into a discussion from the WG
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... added into the LC draft published 10 days ago
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... concerned about the trick used to introduce this information text
15:17:44 [paulc]
In-band track bug:
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... MSE bug is dependent on this bug
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... Director will give us a ruling -- affects in-band tracks (5.0) also the EME registry
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... EME registry has not been published yet
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... informative reference in normative material is the problem -- need to handle this
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... we did the wrong thing there
15:19:08 [paulc]
Editors update:
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... Aaron provided a detailed update on what he has done
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topic: MSE test suite status
15:19:30 [paulc]
15:19:49 [joesteele]
paulc: this has the status of the MSE test suite so far
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... Aaron said none of these are in his ballpark --
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... some items are commented on, some are still open
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... need some progress here
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... someone needs to manage this
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... don't seem to be making progress on answering questions in the original Google submission
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... any volunteers to help get MSE finished? Aaron is doing well to keep the bug count down
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... we need someone to figure out where more tests come from, where we are deficient
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... and answering the questions on the Google tests submitted already
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... any volunteers?
15:22:55 [joesteele]
jdsmith: we could review current response, do you need more tests?
15:23:20 [joesteele]
paulc: need someone on point for the test suite, keep track of where we are, participate in the dialog
15:23:35 [joesteele]
... does not need to satisfy all the test needs, but needs to know where we stand
15:24:04 [joesteele]
... not a big job, but if we want to get out of CR we must have tests and test results to convince the Director
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markw: I will ask around at Netflix for volunteers
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paulc: thanks Mark!
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... however you would like to handle -- let me know
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... no outstanding bugs
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... have been cases where specs like this have stayed in CR for years without tests
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paulc: believe that is the last item on the agenda
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topic: other business
15:26:33 [paulc]
Date of next Media TF meeting - July 1 or July 8?
15:26:55 [joesteele]
paulc: asked last week about this -- folks are away and next Tuesday is Canada Day and I am not available
15:27:33 [joesteele]
joesteele: MSE only or EME/MSE?
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paulc: think the next should concentrate on EME
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joesteele: I am probably not available either day
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jdsmith: think we should have it on the 8th
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paulc: if editors can make some progress on bugs amd Joe can make some progress on the wiki
15:29:35 [joesteele]
... that is the plan then. Meet on July 8th
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... unless something surprising happens we will cover EME
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... thanks everyone!
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Zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see paulc, geguchi, markw
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On IRC I see markw, geguchi, pladd, jdsmith, jamil, joesteele, niels_t, davide, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, glenn, trackbot, wseltzer
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HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were paulc, glenn, +1.415.832.aaaa, markw, Niels_Thorwirth, +1.408.536.aabb, ReimundoGarcia, joesteele, [Microsoft], geguchi, BobLund, pal
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