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14:55:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:55:27 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:55:27 <trackbot> Date: 19 June 2014
14:55:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 55 minutes ago
14:55:43 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:55:50 <Zakim> +??P5
14:55:56 <janina> zakim, ??P5 is me
14:55:56 <Zakim> +janina; got it
14:56:01 <janina> agenda?
14:56:06 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
14:56:06 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:56:14 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:56:14 <janina> Chair: Janina
14:56:14 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:56:17 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc [See Below]
14:56:19 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D; Status, TF Liaison [See Below]
14:56:22 <janina> agenda+ ARIA in HTML [See Below]
14:56:24 <janina> Agenda+ PF's Strong Semantics Issue [See Below]
14:56:27 <janina> agenda+ Media Subteam
14:56:29 <janina> agenda+ HTML 5.1 Next Steps [See Below]
14:56:32 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:56:34 <janina> agenda+ Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:56:37 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:56:52 <janina>  zakim, next item
14:56:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
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15:00:25 <Zakim> +Mark_Sadecki
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15:00:42 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
15:00:42 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:00:55 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:01:09 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:01:09 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:01:19 <Zakim> +Adrian_Roselli
15:02:36 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:03:02 <aardrian> zakim, who is here?
15:03:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Mark_Sadecki, paulc, Adrian_Roselli, Cynthia_Shelly
15:03:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see aardrian, paulc, ShaneM, RRSAgent, janina, Zakim, sivoais, hober, MarkS, cabanier, trackbot
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15:03:14 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
15:03:17 <Zakim> +Judy
15:03:38 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:03:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Longdesc" taken up [from See Below]
15:04:09 <MarkS> JS: ->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jun/0042.html Longdesc CfC to transition to CR
15:04:13 <MarkS> ->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jun/0042.html Longdesc CfC to transition to CR
15:04:57 <MarkS> MS: Chaals and I made good progress on processing comments and tidying up loose ends in longdesc.  Chaals issued a CfC last Friday, which closes tomorrow.
15:05:15 <MarkS> MS: Preparing documentation required for that transition.  We would hope to schedule a tranisition call for the 3rd week in July with a publication date soon afterwards.
15:05:20 <MarkS> PC: That long?
15:05:35 <janina> pc: Any chance to do this sooner? Unfortunate to wait well into July?
15:05:41 <janina> pc: But, it is July!
15:05:44 <janina> ms: That's it.
15:06:17 <MarkS> MS: We've done preliminary scheduling and there are a lot of vacations
15:06:31 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
15:06:33 <MarkS> PC: LC for HTML closes August 15, so longdesc should still be ahead of that
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15:07:09 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:07:09 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Canvas 2D; Status, TF Liaison" taken up [from See Below]
15:07:47 <MarkS> ->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jun/0052.html Canvas Sub Group minutes
15:07:49 <JF> scribe: JF
15:08:00 <JF> MS: Canvas group met this week, good progress
15:08:16 <MarkS> ->https://codereview.chromium.org/300223009/ Issue 300223009: Implement basic parts of hit regions on canvas2d
15:08:20 <JF> Firefox and Chrome supporting DrawFocus and activity around Hit Regions
15:08:41 <JF> MS: hope to see implementations dropping soon
15:08:54 <JF> MS: testing on  Safari as well, and tests passed
15:09:05 <Zakim> +[ApTest]
15:09:10 <ShaneM> zakim, I am ApTest
15:09:10 <Zakim> ok, ShaneM, I now associate you with [ApTest]
15:09:29 <JF> MS: asked HTML WG about what to do with this highly functioning group. Suggestion to create a TF under the html wg
15:09:32 <MarkS> ->https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Canvas_Task_Force/Work_Statement Draft Canvas Task Force Work Statement
15:10:06 <JF> MS: standard TRF work statement - mentions liasons with allyTF
15:10:35 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
15:10:42 <JF> JS: this will cease being a sub-team of this TF, and will become a larger TF within HTML WG
15:10:53 <JF> JS: mostly management changes
15:11:05 <MarkS> JS: there is canvas in SVG2
15:11:09 <MarkS> ...learned this week
15:11:10 <Judy_clone> q+
15:11:15 <MarkS> ack ju
15:11:27 <JF> s/standard TRF work/standard TF work
15:11:33 <MarkS> JB: How does that work?  canvas in SVG.  anything we need to watch out for?
15:12:05 <MarkS> JS: didn't go into details.  Rich mentioned it as an example of how SVG is expanding past SVG 1
15:12:36 <MarkS> ...the PF interest is to continue to formalize relationship with SVG group and mapping, etc.
15:12:56 <MarkS> ...we've had a lot of interest in a11y people participating in that work
15:13:02 <ShaneM> SVG2 has a section on embedded content at http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG2/single-page.html#chapter-embedded
15:13:46 <MarkS> JS: good to see implementations coming along
15:13:50 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:13:50 <Zakim> agendum 5. "PF's Strong Semantics Issue" taken up [from See Below]
15:14:27 <MarkS> JS: this was a good exercise.  teased out some details we needed.
15:14:50 <MarkS> ...wondering from Paul and Judy have to say regarding this issue and the future of html5 and html5.1 etc
15:15:27 <MarkS> ...as HTML exits CR and returns to 2nd LC, we took a look to make sure PF was happy.  ARIA sub team people focused on strong semantics setction
15:15:38 <MarkS> ...worried that advise was not sufficient enough for developers
15:16:02 <MarkS> ...CfC in PF asked for testing results to validate, or mark section as informative
15:16:30 <MarkS> ...SteveF developed tests that proved good results, not 100% but about 90% passed
15:16:51 <MarkS> ...there is an email from steve with up to date test results and bugs that have been filed.
15:17:04 <aardrian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jun/0126.html
15:17:08 <MarkS> ...wondering if this is something we can still handle in html5.0 or 5.1
15:17:27 <MarkS> ...one of the other ARIA members noticed there were some missing aria-attributes
15:17:29 <paulc> q+
15:17:34 <MarkS> q+
15:17:48 <JF> Q+
15:17:52 <MarkS> ...wondering how we handle that
15:18:20 <janina> q?
15:18:23 <Judy> q+
15:18:23 <paulc> I think we should file bugs and let the Editors process these and propose whether they will be included as LC bugs.  Then the filers can decide if the processing is appropriate.
15:18:24 <MarkS> ...should we just mark the items currently at risk?
15:18:31 <janina> ack p
15:18:42 <JF> ack JF
15:19:17 <MarkS> PC: bugs may be moved into LC component by editors.  Can talk to editors about that.  Can be handled in LC
15:19:27 <MarkS> ack me
15:19:51 <MarkS> MS: I have already filed bugs on behalf of Brian
15:20:30 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26090
15:20:30 <MarkS> Implicit ARIA semantics for the <ol> and <ul> elements should include radiogroup
15:20:30 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26089
15:20:30 <MarkS> Implicit ARIA semantics for the <li> element should include radio
15:20:31 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26088
15:20:31 <MarkS> Implicit ARIA semantics for the <a> element should include radio and option
15:21:05 <JF> Q+
15:21:47 <MarkS> ack JF
15:21:49 <janina> ack ju
15:21:50 <janina> ack jf
15:22:36 <MarkS> JF: there was email about strong semantics, aria in html, regarding form inputs.  strong semantics in aria seemed to be in conflict with HTML
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15:23:34 <MarkS> JS: Steve is actively testing, his work may reveal something like that.  You might want to confirm with him.  Please do it on list
15:24:02 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:24:02 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Media Subteam" taken up [from janina]
15:24:30 <MarkS> MS: Hope to publish a Heartbeat one week from today, June 26
15:24:41 <MarkS> ...Media Accessibility User Requirements
15:24:55 <MarkS> JS: this will include all the input from comments since FPWD
15:25:06 <MarkS> ...sorry it took so long, but the group was dormant for quite some time
15:25:23 <MarkS> ...meeting with the Web & TV IG.  They are asking for feedback and input from us, which is good.
15:26:04 <MarkS> ...next activity will be to get test content for tool and UA developers that has sample alternative content
15:27:22 <ShaneM> q+ to ask about canada and SAP
15:27:23 <MarkS> MS: presentation from Clarke Steves from cable labs on standards for labeling AD
15:27:35 <MarkS> JS: we saw no conflict there and are glad to see progress
15:27:57 <MarkS> SM: the SAP track in Canada is labelled middle language
15:28:51 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:28:51 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MarkS
15:28:57 <janina> ack a
15:28:59 <MarkS> s/language/english
15:29:04 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:29:04 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MarkS
15:29:04 <janina> ack ap
15:29:06 <ShaneM> q-
15:29:11 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:29:11 <Zakim> agendum 7. "HTML 5.1 Next Steps" taken up [from See Below]
15:29:18 <MarkS> zakim, ApTest is ShaneM
15:29:18 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
15:30:22 <MarkS> JS: Leonie and I are scheduled to present next week on WebRTC but I won't be able to present next week because I will be at the Web of Things workshop.  Will need to push that back.  one more week, 7/3
15:30:57 <MarkS> ...there are many presentations scheduled for July.  Please try to keep those due dates
15:31:09 <MarkS> ->https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist wishlist and due dates
15:31:56 <MarkS> JS: please use the wiki to share your research
15:32:02 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:32:02 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:32:38 <MarkS> JS: chair for next week.  Mark?
15:32:50 <MarkS> MS: I can chair next week
15:32:59 <MarkS> SM: I can scribe
15:33:16 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:33:17 <MarkS> [adjourned]
15:33:20 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
15:33:21 <Zakim> -Judy
15:33:22 <Zakim> -ShaneM
15:33:22 <Zakim> -Mark_Sadecki
15:33:24 <Zakim> -Adrian_Roselli
15:33:24 <Zakim> -janina
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15:35:06 <MarkS> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:35:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc
15:35:18 <MarkS> zakim, drop paulc
15:35:18 <Zakim> paulc is being disconnected
15:35:19 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
15:35:19 <Zakim> Attendees were janina, Mark_Sadecki, paulc, Adrian_Roselli, Cynthia_Shelly, Judy, John_Foliot, ShaneM
15:35:23 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
15:35:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/19-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS