13:10:12 RRSAgent has joined #rd 13:10:12 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/06/18-rd-irc 13:10:14 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:10:14 Zakim has joined #rd 13:10:16 Zakim, this will be 7394 13:10:16 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 20 minutes 13:10:17 Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference 13:10:17 Date: 18 June 2014 13:21:35 chair: shadi 13:25:57 Vivienne has joined #rd 13:29:32 Judy_clone has joined #rd 13:29:55 zakim, call shadi-617 13:29:56 ok, shadi; the call is being made 13:29:56 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started 13:29:57 +Shadi 13:30:03 regrets: Yehya, Silvia, Annika, Klaus, Giorgio, Christos, David 13:30:59 +[IPcaller] 13:31:10 Justin has joined #rd 13:32:00 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:32:00 +Justin; got it 13:32:26 +[IPcaller] 13:32:30 zakim, IPcaller is me 13:32:30 +Vivienne; got it 13:33:13 markel has joined #rd 13:33:36 +??P4 13:33:39 zakim, call bim-617 13:33:39 ok, Bim; the call is being made 13:33:41 +Bim 13:33:55 zakim, ??P4 is markel 13:33:55 +markel; got it 13:34:11 zakim, mute me 13:34:11 Bim should now be muted 13:34:38 agenda+ Future Symposium Topics http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Topics#RDWG_Most_Wanted_.28Ordered_by_Priority.29 13:35:13 agenda+ Metrics Report 13:36:05 +Judy 13:36:29 scribe: Justin 13:37:04 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:37:04 On the phone I see Shadi, Justin, Vivienne, markel, Bim (muted), Judy 13:38:48 round of introductions 13:41:23 simon unavaialble today - so will discuss items but not make firm decisions 13:41:32 ack me 13:41:52 agenda? 13:41:57 zakim, mute me 13:41:58 Bim should now be muted 13:42:04 zakim, take up item 1 13:42:05 agendum 1. "Future Symposium Topics http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Topics#RDWG_Most_Wanted_.28Ordered_by_Priority.29" taken up [from shadi] 13:42:36 we need to start thinking about questions for these topics 13:42:45 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Topics#RDWG_Most_Wanted_.28Ordered_by_Priority.29 13:43:18 Shadi: we have short list 5 main topics in web accessibility 13:44:00 shadi: we also have some names possibly allocated to these topics - always happy to take suggestions of other people in the field outside the hroup 13:44:02 q+ 13:44:36 shadi: we have some challenges and the research goals are not as well expressed yet 13:45:05 shadi: does anyone have an ideas on any of these topics they would like to offer 13:45:07 ack viv 13:45:15 https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Accessibility_of_way-finding_systems#References 13:45:49 vivienne: i have updtaed the wiki on way finding systems and added some more, editing and a suggested rename - so there is now a start to the catalogue topic 13:46:00 q+ 13:46:12 vivienne: if peoplke would like to have a quick look and get back to me 13:47:23 shadi: i think the challenges section is the more elaborated topics of the 5 current topics, and is this a research or developer challenge - what is it we are trying to address 13:48:15 vivienne: putting the entry into the catalogue does not make it overly easy to formulate the research question as the format is not aligned 13:48:49 ack judy 13:48:49 shadi: we need to aligning the two more closely 13:50:14 judy: what is the specific connection with the web - i see all these technologies and wonder if the description of the topic might bring out the connection with the web more clearly - and is there a web topic we want to be emphasising 13:51:43 vivienne: some of this topic has come from real-world work and requirements about way finding for people with disabilities, particualrly in hospital and universities campuses 13:52:27 judy: there are many ways the topic can be motivated, but certainly the title could have a more web oriented linkage 13:53:08 vivienne: the title has been reworked - but we could probably relate the title back to specifically referencing the web 13:55:07 shadi: suggestion vivienne is you could add web to the title and see how it fits in with the rest of the wiki - and fits together with working out the research question and what will be achieved from there - especially the relationship with the web - some systems used web based systems to pull in open source data - in other words how do all these tools fit in with the web 13:55:15 vivienne: thanks 13:55:28 q+ 13:56:07 shadi: but certainly other people work on the other topics need to think about their topic's alignment with the 'web' 13:56:38 ack m 13:57:04 markel: agrees with what has been said regarding the relationship between the topics and the web - with the web being the interface between the way finding systems and the various internet of things, and in an accessible way 13:58:11 shadi: i think it will be a challenge to keep the topics focussed but linked into the web and topic spaces 13:58:23 indeed 13:58:52 shadi: way findings system can interact with existing web systems for things like landmarks 13:59:08 zakim, mute me 13:59:09 Vivienne should now be muted 13:59:14 zakim, close item 1 13:59:14 agendum 1, Future Symposium Topics http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Topics#RDWG_Most_Wanted_.28Ordered_by_Priority.29, closed 13:59:16 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 13:59:16 2. Metrics Report [from shadi] 13:59:24 zakim, take up item 2 13:59:24 agendum 2. "Metrics Report" taken up [from shadi] 13:59:38 :-) 14:01:16 judy: question around the topic of internet of things - there is a workshop on this topic, so we can talk about it offline 14:01:37 shadi: we are still discussing and developing it 14:01:38 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/note/ED-metrics 14:02:32 shadi: metric report - has impact on all coming reports - judy do you want to take us through some of the issues 14:05:06 regrets+ Peter 14:06:06 judy: there were a few copy editing issues that need to be fixed, other thoughts before going to final publication, how to position these so it is clear what these are and what they are not - in partical this topic is somewhat close to web accessibility conformance testing and this report could cause confusion as to the position of both - the abstract and the intro needs to be very clear and concise - particularly in terms of the focus and positioning of the work 14:07:16 judy: one of my concerns is how metrics is positioned in relation conformance 14:08:59 judy: my second broader concern is how to postion the reports themselves, starting with the metrics topic - are we presenting these as though they are reports on primary research or on symposia - the difference needs to be obvious - curious if the editors have thoughts as to the postioning of the topics when putting them together 14:10:20 markel: i have some ideas of the reports, i am happy to receive some specific guidance changes 14:11:34 judy: so perhaps I can give you some feedback as to clarifying the difference between metrics and conformance 14:13:33 judy: the content is good but the framing of the topic needs work, perhaps the title and intro aspects could be altered so that the difference between conformance and metrics is clearer and I can send you specific notes 14:13:51 markel: i agree - happy to receive specific changes and recommendations 14:13:53 judy: will do 14:15:04 s/perhaps the title and/perhaps the abstract and/ 14:16:51 judy: have you discussed this with issues with simon, or should we discuss it with him when he is back on the call. 14:17:55 q+ 14:18:08 shadi: we are a small group this week - one of the suggestions we could persue is to have sub titles on the topics - and this topic could be a good candidate to start that process - something that might indicate that this work is as a result of a symposium 14:18:12 ack jud 14:18:54 judy: yes, if we make it clear this is the proceedings of a symposium, and would be very interested to hear simons views 14:21:44 Q+ 14:21:44 q+ 14:21:52 justin: some topics could have more issues than others but i have no issues with sub heading in all topics 14:22:01 ack me 14:22:15 shadi: sought feedback from the group 14:23:15 bim: agrees with judy wholeheartedly - when I read the title of the metrics topic i thought it was a research report - it is a good idea to add a sub title and make the symposium link clear 14:23:15 q+ 14:23:18 zakim, mute me 14:23:19 Bim should now be muted 14:24:45 markel: the title has to contain indications that this research report contains an analysis of the research as a state of the art at + how the contributions were made (ie via symposium) 14:27:26 judy: getting the titles correct can be hard, but often the final tweaks and naming can have a significant impact on peoples understanding of the role and focus of the report (and its positioning) with mixed messages 14:29:05 ack m 14:29:09 ack jud 14:29:17 markel: does make sense - i understand the issues involved, but would like some complimentary interaction between conformance and metrics where possible 14:30:14 judy: happy to interact via email with some suggestions - and would also like to be able to tune into this rdwg meeting when possible 14:31:37 shadi: each topic is quite unique and the impact they have and sensitivity they may pose, and it was an interesting exercise to look back on previous reports and looking forward to future reports 14:31:53 a pleasure 14:31:59 zakim, unmute me 14:31:59 Vivienne should no longer be muted 14:32:14 ack me 14:32:19 good night 14:32:25 -Bim 14:32:26 -Judy 14:32:28 -Shadi 14:32:36 -Vivienne 14:32:44 -Justin 14:37:44 disconnecting the lone participant, markel, in WAI_RDWG()9:30AM 14:37:45 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended 14:37:45 Attendees were Shadi, Justin, Vivienne, Bim, markel, Judy 14:37:54 trackbot, end meeting 14:37:54 Zakim, list attendees 14:37:54 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 14:38:02 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:38:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/18-rd-minutes.html trackbot 14:38:03 RRSAgent, bye 14:38:03 I see no action items