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11:58:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be CSVW
11:58:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DATA_CSVWG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
11:58:13 <trackbot> Meeting: CSV on the Web Working Group Teleconference
11:58:13 <trackbot> Date: 18 June 2014
11:58:58 <danbri> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_2014-06-18
11:59:55 <danbri> last week's minutes to review - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Jun/0029.html
12:00:23 <Zakim> DATA_CSVWG()8:00AM has now started
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12:01:50 <danbri> zakim, aaaa is danbri
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12:01:57 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
12:01:57 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
12:02:19 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:02:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see JeniT, danbri, AndyS
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12:04:20 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2014/06/11-csvw-minutes.html
12:04:56 <danbri> https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_2014-06-18
12:05:00 <JeniT> https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_2014-06-18
12:05:03 <danbri> prev: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Jun/0029.html
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12:06:49 <danbri> topic: UC maturity :can we publish?
12:06:53 <danbri> AndyS: Yes
12:06:55 <danbri> Jeni: Yes
12:06:55 <JeniT> +1
12:07:23 <danbri> resolved: ok to publish at editor's + staff contact's discretion
12:07:30 <danbri> topic: mappings
12:08:40 <danbri> re http://w3c.github.io/csvw/csv2rdf/ etc
12:09:23 <danbri> andys: [observations on jeremy's work]
12:09:43 <danbri> zakim, who is on the call?
12:09:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see JeniT, danbri, AndyS, jumbrich
12:09:58 <JeniT> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/examples/csv-metadata-and-template-for-simple-weather-obs-example.md
12:09:59 <AndyS> The message -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Jun/0092.html
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12:10:34 <danbri> jeni: I didn't get further in beyond the metadata parts
12:10:38 <danbri> dan: nor me beyond regex
12:10:49 <danbri> jeni: it illustrates andys' point about the complexities of such mappings
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12:11:59 <danbri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Jun/0092.html
12:12:19 <danbri> re mappings
12:12:34 <danbri> andys: one more thing re jeremy's examples — good to be example driven
12:12:55 <danbri> … dan could take a shot at doing same for his use case
12:13:07 <danbri> … jeremy's could get some of the info it needs from the metadata
12:13:16 <AndyS> "{datetime}"^^xsd:dateTime ==> {datetime}
12:13:26 <danbri> … e.g. for datatime, instead of [ see example ^^^ ] it could use the metadata
12:13:39 <danbri> … which also illustrates the fact that then the template would stop being legal turtle
12:14:21 <danbri> andys: why parse it at all, if we're treating it as an seq of chars?
12:14:34 <danbri> jeni: treating it as text, allows us to target yaml, markdown, html, …
12:15:00 <danbri> … but you need to be thinking about escapes etc, as diff chars used significantly in diff text formats
12:15:24 <danbri> andys: URI templating is interesting here, as for its substitution you have to say which kind of escaping you're doing
12:15:31 <danbri> jeni: more thinking of the escaping of the curly braces
12:16:00 <danbri> danbri: classic security hole territory
12:16:10 <danbri> andys: could use weird unicode 7 chars
12:16:29 <danbri> jenit: security issue is more about inserting things that aren't properly escaped into the content
12:16:50 <danbri> andys: sql's worse as executable afterwards, but could get data to say different things
12:17:00 <danbri> danbri: … which could become actionable in some setting
12:17:23 <danbri> jenit: as I mentioned before, there are lots of templating langs already out there
12:17:51 <danbri> andys: re security/substitution, those issues also occur with other systems
12:18:03 <danbri> … eg.. [missed] does html escaping by default
12:18:12 <Zakim> + +1.917.523.aabb
12:18:18 <JeniT> s/[missed]/mustache
12:18:29 <danbri> … there are some tradeoffs that aren't particularly technical
12:19:04 <danbri> jeni: wanted to note I caught up with Ross Jones yesterday, discussing json mappings, will try to do similar to jeremy's
12:19:14 <danbri> andys: i won't have much time for next forseeable few weeks
12:19:40 <danbri> topic: Tabular Model spec
12:20:02 <danbri> jeni: I think in roughly a state where it could be republished. It's hardly been touched. It now says 'cell' rather than field.
12:20:30 <danbri> danbri: I propose we republish it
12:20:44 <danbri> jeni: there have been a few other changes, e.g. embedded metadata
12:20:52 <Zakim> -jumbrich
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12:21:14 <Zakim> +jumbrich; got it
12:21:17 <JeniT> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/syntax/
12:21:28 <danbri> action: jeni propose republishing Model spec on the list
12:21:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Propose republishing model spec on the list [on Jeni Tennison - due 2014-06-25].
12:21:52 <danbri> topic: Metadata spec
12:22:01 <danbri> jenit: managed to do a little work re adding some examples
12:22:13 <danbri> need to work through that further, adding more examples.
12:22:37 <danbri> … i made the change around terminology, having separations  between schema and notes
12:22:56 <danbri> … i.e. schemas can be reused across multiple csvs, notes are specific to specific csv file, annotations on a row or cell
12:23:07 <danbri> … also just assuming trying to adopt json-ld throughout
12:23:12 <danbri> …that's just an assumption
12:23:34 <danbri> danbri: what's needed before it can go out?
12:24:04 <danbri> jenit: depends on how polished we want it to be. there are issues throughout, some editorial tasks, some real issues needing input
12:24:50 <danbri> danbri: in my impl i guessed, need to revise against the real doc
12:26:06 <Zakim> -JeniT
12:26:07 <Zakim> -jumbrich
12:26:09 <Zakim> -AndyS
12:26:14 <danbri> resolved: early finish
12:26:19 <Zakim> -fonso_
12:26:30 <Zakim> -DavideCeolin
12:27:03 <danbri> trackbot, end meeting
12:27:03 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
12:27:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JeniT, +44.207.346.aaaa, danbri, AndyS, jumbrich, DavideCeolin, fonso_, +1.917.523.aabb
12:27:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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12:27:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
12:27:12 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/18-csvw-actions.rdf :
12:27:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeni propose republishing Model spec on the list [1]
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