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13:59:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
13:59:03 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:59:03 <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2014
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13:59:20 <MarkS> agenda?
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13:59:33 <MarkS> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Media Sub-Group
13:59:33 <MarkS> Chair: Mark Sadecki
13:59:33 <MarkS> agenda+ Identify Scribe
13:59:33 <MarkS> agenda+ TV & Web: Use Cases and Requirements (update)
13:59:34 <MarkS> agenda+ Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments
13:59:35 <MarkS> agenda+ Media Accessibility User Requirements (next steps)
13:59:37 <MarkS> agenda+ CableLabs AD demo (tentative)
13:59:39 <MarkS> agenda+ Full Transcript
13:59:43 <MarkS> agenda+ Media Description
13:59:47 <MarkS> hi kaz
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14:01:04 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:01:04 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
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14:02:02 <MarkS> zakim, this is 2119
14:02:02 <Zakim> ok, MarkS; that matches WAI_HTML AT()10:00AM
14:02:54 <Zakim> +Shane_McCarron
14:02:56 <MarkS> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mark_Sadecki, ??P2, Shane_McCarron
14:03:06 <ShaneM> zakim, I am Shane_McCarron
14:03:06 <Zakim> ok, ShaneM, I now associate you with Shane_McCarron
14:03:07 <MarkS> zakim, ??P2 is Janina
14:03:07 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
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14:04:05 <MarkS> agenda?
14:04:10 <MarkS> zakim, take up item 1
14:04:10 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from MarkS]
14:04:47 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:04:47 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
14:04:48 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
14:05:01 <Zakim> +Clarke
14:05:09 <Zakim> +EricP
14:05:48 <janina> scribe: janina
14:06:12 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:06:12 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TV & Web: Use Cases and Requirements (update)" taken up [from MarkS]
14:07:04 <janina> ms: Update ... I and js met with with IG leads during AC, talked about steps forward
14:07:18 <janina> ms: perhaps a spin of our reqs doc specifically for broadcast/cable
14:08:31 <janina> ms tbc
14:08:50 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:08:51 <kaz> s/met with with/met with/
14:08:51 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments" taken up [from MarkS]
14:08:52 <janina> ms: we will wrap next heartbeat first
14:09:07 <janina> ms: believe we're caught up on comments
14:09:32 <janina> ms: Agreed to change title, look at possible updates,
14:09:36 <janina> ms: removed email ref
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14:10:19 <janina> js: behind on my action, but will do via email by tuesday
14:11:54 <janina> ms: I'll draft candidate responses to req comments for our next call
14:12:00 <MarkS> ACTION: MarkS to draft comment responses for MAUR
14:12:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-267 - Draft comment responses for maur [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-06-23].
14:12:06 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:12:06 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Media Accessibility User Requirements (next steps)" taken up [from MarkS]
14:12:47 <janina> ms: finl steps before hb
14:12:59 <janina> ms: also need vocab review, please propose any change via email
14:13:17 <janina> ms: Once we have new 4.8, we should move to pub
14:13:24 <janina> ms: Pub should be easy, as it's a hb
14:13:36 <janina> ms: Proposing 26 June
14:13:55 <MarkS> ACTION: MarkS to publish heartbeat draft of MAUR by 2014-06-26
14:13:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-268 - Publish heartbeat draft of maur by 2014-06-26 [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-06-23].
14:14:27 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:14:27 <Zakim> agendum 5. "CableLabs AD demo (tentative)" taken up [from MarkS]
14:14:42 <Clarke> User Clarke Stevens shared the file "DVS Dual Labeling 6-16-2014.pptx" with you. It is available for download here: https://owncloud.cablelabs.com/public.php?service=files&t=c93b3b23f897e70d5398c3c8e18be9bd
14:15:23 <janina> cs: Has three slides in the ppt
14:15:41 <janina> cs: Wants to discuss labeling for video descript in traditional broadcast
14:16:04 <janina> cs: Don't think there's any impact on this group, but worth checking
14:16:12 <janina> cs: Also informs us what's happening
14:17:33 <janina> js: asks to clarify that cs means traditional video descript
14:17:48 <janina> cs: when additional audio track is sent, tend to use SAP
14:18:02 <janina> cs: or second audio track
14:18:08 <janina> cs: traditionally labeled as "spanish"
14:18:41 <janina> cs: In CA it's labeled as "middle English"
14:18:51 <janina> cs: Turner labels it "Portugese"
14:19:10 <janina> cs: using ac3 audio descriptor
14:19:32 <janina> s/audio/lang/
14:19:39 <janina> cs: also an audio descriptor
14:20:08 <janina> cs: bsmod available for labeling
14:20:18 <janina> cs: also provides lang identifier
14:20:27 <janina> cs: uses iso639
14:20:46 <janina> cs: if using this descriptor, labeling is accurate
14:21:08 <janina> cs: people should be using it, the ac3 audio descriptor
14:21:58 <janina> cs: Cable has proposed "dual labeling" labeling both as "spanish" and also (correctly) in ac3 audio descriptor
14:22:11 <janina> cs: assumption is the older sets will not parse ac3
14:22:20 <janina> cs: newer equipment will use ac3
14:22:40 <janina> cs: testing to date proves this
14:22:56 <janina> cs: Taken this proposal to CEA Media
14:23:08 <janina> cs: Accepted, also Sony has tested
14:23:27 <janina> cs: also gone to NAB, tentavie agreement there
14:24:26 <janina> cs: Bob Lund and Silvia Pfeiffer believe already accounted for in our HTML text track
14:24:49 <janina> ms: So traditional SAP marker is being used as a fallback
14:25:02 <janina> cs: Supports older equipment which doesn't know AC3
14:25:25 <Clarke> "Elephant's Dream_DVS_DD_v2.mpg" is available here: https://owncloud.cablelabs.com/public.php?service=files&t=b1acaa4dc1f4b8e311ef71eada5fb547
14:25:54 <janina> cs: This is a test stream that illustrates this
14:27:07 <janina> cs: Motiviation is industry accepted solution before any regs
14:27:26 <janina> cs: Can be updated, when new equipment becomes ubiquitous
14:28:43 <ShaneM> q+ just to clarify about multi-tracks in minnesota
14:28:51 <MarkS> JS: this sounds good to me.  I was wondering what the capacity in digital transport for this alternative content is.  Is there any possibility to send multiple language audio tracks
14:28:54 <janina> js: Asks about ability to support more than one additional secondary track
14:29:19 <janina> cs: designed to support the web case where numerous tracks are supportable, and all could be correctly labeled
14:29:30 <janina> cs: I have a white paper that shows this in preparation
14:30:35 <janina> cs: includes marker for "hearing impaired audio," what we are calling "clean audio."
14:31:00 <MarkS> ack shane
14:32:00 <janina> sm: notes that Minnesota public broadcasters chose to use their bandwidth for multiple video channels
14:33:37 <janina> ms: asks about epg, and what data is available to show
14:35:45 <MarkS> JS: parallel secondary video track, someone might actually create a second track that a deaf person would use instead of captions because it would be signed, PiP.
14:36:19 <MarkS> ...i believe a set of language indicators that made a distinction between the different intl sign-languages
14:38:22 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:38:22 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MarkS
14:38:25 <MarkS> q?
14:38:27 <janina> q?
14:38:35 <MarkS> ack ju
14:38:35 <Zakim> just, you wanted to clarify about multi-tracks in minnesota
14:38:45 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:38:45 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Full Transcript" taken up [from MarkS]
14:39:22 <janina> ms: Noting TF wish list for html.next
14:40:23 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Full_Transcript
14:41:02 <MarkS> JS: I also want us to discuss putting together a working demo that showcases all of the features and permutations of accessible video
14:41:40 <MarkS> ...i think we had various reps industry to help us put this together.
14:44:36 <MarkS> MS: I think we would need to identify the video first, then begin gathering accessible tracks
14:46:23 <MarkS> JS: I can reach out to Suzanne Taylor.  would like a review of my email, proposal to her.
14:52:25 <MarkS> ...RE: transcript, this can be done in 5.1.  timeline.  there has been work done on this already.
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14:52:51 <MarkS> ...we have authority under plan 2014 to do this.
14:52:52 <MarkS> ...no agreement on which approach to take
14:52:58 <MarkS> ...possibly publish both
14:53:15 <MarkS> ...AAPL approach was to put a link to the video nearby to the transcript
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14:53:52 <MarkS> ...GOOG approach was more elaborate to the point where it started to be confused with captions
14:54:53 <MarkS> MS: sounds like we need to find out where we left off with those
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14:55:48 <MarkS> JS: I need to do that.  the interest was mainstream.
14:56:32 <MarkS> MS: can we use aria to achieve this?
14:56:47 <MarkS> JS: for apples approach, yes
14:57:09 <MarkS> ...would be a good idea
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14:59:47 <janina> http://www.fastcodesign.com/3021522/innovation-by-design/mit-invents-a-shapeshifting-display-you-can-reach-through-and-touch
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15:00:24 <Zakim> -Shane_McCarron
15:00:27 <Zakim> -Mark_Sadecki
15:00:28 <Zakim> -Janina
15:00:29 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
15:00:32 <Zakim> -wuwei
15:00:34 <Zakim> WAI_HTML AT()10:00AM has ended
15:00:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Mark_Sadecki, Shane_McCarron, Janina, Kazuyuki, Clarke, wuwei
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