13:59:27 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 13:59:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-irc 13:59:32 Zakim has joined #i18n 13:59:39 trackbot, prepare teleconference 13:59:41 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:59:43 Zakim, this will be 4186 13:59:43 ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute 13:59:44 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 13:59:44 Date: 12 June 2014 13:59:53 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jun/0009.html 13:59:59 Chair: Addison Phillips 14:00:03 Scribe: Addison Phillips 14:00:08 ScribeNick: aphillip 14:00:18 zakim, who is here? 14:00:18 I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has not yet started, aphillip 14:00:20 On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, leandro, matial, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot 14:00:33 zakim, dial richard 14:00:33 ok, r12a; the call is being made 14:00:35 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:00:35 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 14:01:20 zakim, who's here? 14:01:20 I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has not yet started, r12a 14:01:22 On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, leandro, matial, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot 14:01:27 zakim, this will be i18n 14:01:27 ok, r12a, I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM already started 14:01:31 zakim, who's here? 14:01:31 On the phone I see +1.781.221.aaaa, Richard, ??P11 14:01:33 On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, leandro, matial, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot 14:01:58 +aphillip 14:02:00 zakim, ??p11 is me 14:02:00 +matial; got it 14:02:19 zakim, who is here? 14:02:20 On the phone I see +1.781.221.aaaa, Richard, matial, aphillip 14:02:22 On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, leandro, matial, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot 14:02:28 zakim, +1.781 is leandro 14:02:29 +leandro; got it 14:02:34 zakim, who is here? 14:02:34 On the phone I see leandro, Richard, matial, aphillip 14:02:36 On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, leandro, matial, fsasaki, r12a, trackbot 14:02:41 JcK has joined #i18n 14:02:43 +??P19 14:03:17 +JcK 14:03:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:03:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 14:04:14 Topic: Agenda 14:04:41 Topic: Action Items 14:04:50 http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open 14:06:24 close action-251 14:06:24 Closed action-251. 14:06:44 action-252? 14:06:44 action-252 -- Felix Sasaki to Ping dita folks about contacting html5 about ruby progress -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN 14:06:44 http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/252 14:08:40 action-312? 14:08:40 action-312 -- Richard Ishida to Talk to dom about adding status tracking stuff to tracker for encoding last call purposes -- due 2014-06-12 -- OPEN 14:08:40 http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/312 14:08:50 richard: talk to sysreq instead 14:08:54 ... probably won't happen 14:09:01 ... just make due? 14:09:05 close action-312 14:09:05 Closed action-312. 14:09:28 Topic: Info Share 14:09:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 14:10:55 felix: add item to agenda at the end 14:11:12 Topic: RADAR 14:11:33 http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open 14:11:55 https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar#Scheduled_Last_Call_reviews 14:12:39 JcK: discussion on W3C/IETF call 14:12:49 ... on getting IRI unstuck 14:12:56 ... still stuck 14:13:04 s/getting IRI/getting URN/ 14:13:28 JcK: librarians want URN features that can't be currently supported 14:13:32 ... have long term view 14:13:47 ... similarly WHATWG/W3C changes to URL 14:13:55 ... is inconsistent with generic URI syntax 14:14:07 ... concern is whether we end up with a bunch of forked standards 14:14:20 ... or define relationship of these two specs to generic URI 14:14:25 ... go ahead and separate URN 14:14:35 ... and move URL to W3C (??) 14:14:46 .. and do something to URI 3986 14:17:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 14:18:28 Topic: dir isolation tests 14:18:41 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jun/0008.html 14:18:55 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jun/0007.html 14:19:09 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jun/0006.html 14:19:27 http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/html5/the-dir-attribute/results-dir-isolation 14:19:27 http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/html5/the-dir-attribute/results-dir-isolation 14:20:00 richard: put together tests 14:20:05 ... to see if elements are isolating 14:20:14 ... and element is treated as a neutral 14:20:20 ... basically all items are red 14:20:33 ... there are like 12 tests per box 14:20:41 ... and only one or two per fail 14:20:52 ... dir isolation is not default on any browser yet 14:20:55 ... not a surprise 14:21:00 ... second table with shim 14:21:06 ... we get better results 14:21:10 ... FF has 2 fails 14:21:15 -fsasaki 14:21:17 ... Safari has one 14:21:23 ... only small issues 14:21:35 ... IE doesn't use CSS necessary for shim 14:21:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 14:21:50 richard: want you to look at tests 14:21:53 ... are they valid? 14:21:57 ... give feedback? 14:22:04 ... I think they are pretty valid 14:22:13 ... like to hear any comments 14:22:20 matial: had a look at the tests 14:22:34 ... are those tests inspired from aharon's tests? 14:22:45 ... those were from work group in Jerusalem 14:22:50 ... look similar 14:22:55 ... may not be same? 14:23:03 ... reviewed then and were appropriate 14:23:12 richard: took the bdi tests 14:23:16 ... worked from them 14:23:20 ... made some changes 14:23:34 ... most of aharon tests had six subtests 14:23:44 ... also put in tests for dir=auto 14:23:49 ... and dir=ltr and rtl 14:23:57 ... made one or two other changes 14:24:07 matial: looking at what was tested 14:24:13 ... source code hard to decipher 14:24:26 ... couldn't find words i the tests 14:24:37 ... what was tested wasn't obvious in the test 14:24:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 14:25:13 matial: useful to add to page pseudo code to page 14:25:19 ... so it's apparent what is tested 14:25:45 ... would be interesting to read to know 14:25:55 http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/run?manifest=html5/the-dir-attribute&test=dir-isolation-shim-001 14:26:03 richard: when you go to a link like above 14:26:08 ... that's to the framework 14:26:14 ... actual test is in an iframe 14:26:21 ... gray rectangle is limit of iframe 14:26:35 ... you have to right click in the frame 14:26:39 ... and view that source 14:27:45 matial: on page with list of tests 14:27:53 ... last line is list of browsers 14:28:00 +??P32 14:28:04 richard: "score" is your current browser 14:30:13 richard: when you click on score 14:30:30 ... buttons for scoring 14:30:40 ... and it'll move through tests 14:30:45 ... after you go through several times 14:30:56 ... "show results" will generate the code to mail to richard 14:31:01 ... to add to the table 14:31:11 matial: mail you remarks 14:31:14 ... ? 14:31:23 richard: if you want to run on particular platform 14:31:33 ... the show result box would show you what you've entered 14:31:39 ... that's for *running* the tests 14:31:44 ... but not for reviewing them 14:31:53 richard: please send me email to review them 14:35:16 Topic: Encoding Last Call 14:36:21 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014AprJun/0203.html 14:37:52 addison: need to publish files 14:38:26 ... want to keep links for now to whatwg 14:38:44 ... need to do when we move to CR 14:40:07 ... keep from forking until we actually publish CR 14:42:28 http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/7 14:43:04 issue-335? 14:43:04 issue-335 -- health warnings for when language not known -- open 14:43:04 http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/335 14:43:11 issue-355? 14:43:11 issue-355 -- Supporting files referenced rather than copied -- open 14:43:11 http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/355 14:43:19 reviewed this item 14:47:19 Topic: CharMod 14:47:30 Topic: Encoding 14:47:40 richard: been talking to martin about his tests 14:47:59 ... he's not using the exact template for TTWF 14:48:07 ... just be aware 14:49:01 addison: coverage map? 14:49:08 richard: hope to open it up shortly 14:49:33 ... similar problem to dir tests 14:49:51 ... you get a pass/fail for each byte 14:51:24 Topic: CharMod 14:53:02 addison: preparing document for publication 14:53:50 Topic: dcat 14:53:50 topic: dcat 14:53:53 http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#Property:catalog_language 14:54:24 felix: already a recommendation 14:56:33 addison: should at least point to IANA registry, since that is stable 14:57:38 .... but better to have BCP47 14:58:29 action: felix: contact DCAT folks about catalog_language 14:58:29 Created ACTION-313 - Contact dcat folks about catalog_language [on Felix Sasaki - due 2014-06-19]. 14:58:43 Topic: AOB? 14:58:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 14:59:06 richard: started working on ruby tests 14:59:27 ... look out for them soon 14:59:42 Bye 14:59:49 -matial 14:59:55 Bye 14:59:56 -fsasaki 14:59:58 -JcK 15:00:00 -aphillip 15:00:03 -leandro 15:00:05 JcK has left #i18n 15:00:14 zakim, drop richard 15:00:14 Richard is being disconnected 15:00:15 I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended 15:00:15 Attendees were +1.781.221.aaaa, Richard, aphillip, matial, leandro, fsasaki, JcK 15:00:28 rrsagent, make minutes 15:00:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 15:00:40 leandro has left #i18n 15:00:50 Present: Addison, Richard, Leandro, Mati, John K, Felix 15:01:00 rrsagent, make minutes 15:01:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 15:01:33 zakim, who is here? 15:01:33 apparently I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended, aphillip 15:01:35 On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, trackbot 15:01:37 zakim, bye 15:01:37 Zakim has left #i18n 15:01:44 rrsagent, make minutes 15:01:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 15:01:49 rrsagent, bye 15:01:49 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-actions.rdf : 15:01:49 ACTION: felix: contact DCAT folks about catalog_language [1] 15:01:49 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-i18n-irc#T14-58-29