IRC log of dap on 2014-06-12

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logging to
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be DAP
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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 12 June 2014
13:43:59 [fjh]
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fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda
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Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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Agenda+ Cordova
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Regrets+ Ilya_Bogdanovich
13:47:58 [mats]
did I miss where we were no longer doing alternating weeks?
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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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13:57:23 [fjh]
zakim, ipcaller is me
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+fjh; got it
13:57:31 [mats]
Present+ Mats_Wichmann
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13:58:37 [mats]
Zakim, ??P1 is mats
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+mats; got it
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ScribeNick: fjh
14:01:33 [Zakim]
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Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
14:01:38 [anssik]
Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:01:46 [Zakim]
14:01:50 [anssik]
zakim, ??P16 is me
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+anssik; got it
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14:02:24 [anssik]
zakim, who's on the call?
14:02:24 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, mats, gmandyam, anssik, Lisa_DeLuca
14:02:48 [LisaDeLuca_IBM]
reminder: Lisa's Apache Cordova update at the end of agenda
14:02:58 [marcosc_]
zakim, what's the passcode?
14:02:58 [Zakim]
the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, marcosc_
14:03:10 [fjh]
Present+ Giri_Mandyam
14:03:19 [Zakim]
14:03:37 [richt]
Present+ Rich_Tibbett
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Present+ Cathy_Chan, Lisa_DeLuca
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zakim who is here?
14:04:09 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:04:09 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, mats, gmandyam, anssik, Lisa_DeLuca, richt
14:04:11 [Zakim]
On IRC I see marcosc, gmandyam, LisaDeLuca_IBM, anssik, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, lgombos, mats, dom, mounir, slightlyoff, tobie_, Josh_Soref__, trackbot
14:04:28 [fjh]
s;zakim who is here?;;
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Welcome to new group participants:
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Ilya (Yandex)
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Yuan (Microsoft)
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Zhiqiang (intel), Mikio (Mitsubishi Electric)
14:05:01 [Zakim]
+ +1.416.848.aaaa
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+ +1.857.300.aabb
14:05:23 [marcosc]
Zakim, aaaa is me
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+marcosc; got it
14:05:45 [fjh]
zakim, aabb is cathy
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+cathy; got it
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Present+ Marcos
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14:06:02 [dom]
Zakim, ??P29 is me
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+dom; got it
14:06:10 [fjh]
Publishing moratoria for end of 2014 :
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Topic: Minutes approval
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Approve minutes from 15 May 2014
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14:06:32 [dom]
Zakim, who's on the call?
14:06:32 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, mats, gmandyam, anssik, Lisa_DeLuca, richt, marcosc, cathy, dom
14:06:37 [fjh]
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 15 May 2014 are approved
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Topic: Vibration
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Vibration API CfC:
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Plan to publish 19 June with LC End 25 July (5 weeks)
14:08:10 [Zakim]
14:08:36 [Zakim]
14:09:25 [Cathy]
Present+ Cathy_Chan
14:09:58 [fjh]
fjh: anssik we will need to prepare snapshots for publishing, including adding diffs, pubrules check, link check etc
14:10:06 [fjh]
fjh: need to give time for publication request
14:10:26 [fjh]
anssik: can do this by ET monday morning
14:10:28 [fjh]
fjh: great, thanks
14:10:49 [fjh]
fjh: all, if you haven’t looked at the various CfCs please do so, ends tomorrow
14:11:01 [fjh]
Topic: Light
14:11:10 [fjh]
Vibration API CfC:
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fjh: CfC on list ends tomorrow
14:11:33 [fjh]
fjh: no comments, so good to go
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Topic: HTML Media Capture
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HTML Media Capture CfC;
14:12:24 [fjh]
fjh: minor typo found by Cathy,
14:12:34 [fjh]
fjh: other than that, no issues, so should be included
14:12:37 [fjh]
Topic: Battery
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Battery CfC;
14:13:35 [fjh]
fjh: some editional proposed edits based on Tim’s comments:
14:14:57 [fjh]
fjh: I also had comment on default
14:15:51 [fjh]
anssik: if unknown or unable to report values use default of full, eases development
14:16:26 [fjh]
anssik: before sync provided, always had to provide value, but now using promises, so if don’t know how, can not resolve promise
14:16:38 [fjh]
anssik: also had fingerprinting concern
14:17:13 [fjh]
anssik: if battery is full can do everything, if low cripple experience, so iif we don’t know use full battery so not to disable experience
14:17:27 [Zakim]
14:17:42 [fjh]
fjh: we need a paragraph exlaining this model, reader would not know
14:17:52 [Zakim]
14:18:11 [fjh]
fjh: I don’t believe this one is ready for last call, need to let it settle, do you agree
14:18:23 [fjh]
anssik: yes, I think we need feedback from Tim
14:18:41 [gmandyam]
14:19:32 [fjh]
marcos: the spec is probably good enough as it is
14:20:17 [fjh]
marcos: haven’t seen impact on performance, depends on implementation or hardware
14:21:16 [fjh]
gmandyam: firefox only doing what is in kernal, there is more that can be done, for example with qualcom extensions to the OS for example
14:21:36 [marcosc]
for example:
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gmandyam: misleading, since there could be better
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14:23:02 [gmandyam]
Will clarify: browser can implement a power monitor using non-kernel approaches, e.g. Intel's PMIC proposal in TPAC 2013
14:23:05 [gmandyam]
14:23:16 [gmandyam]
14:23:17 [Zakim]
14:24:20 [anssik]
14:24:34 [fjh]
ack gmandyam
14:25:10 [fjh]
fjh: to clarify, I’m not suggesting we rework the spec, just wanted Anssi to add some clarification text regarding the model, and a few notes to clarify for Tim’s comments.
14:25:25 [fjh]
fjh: anssik may have more to add on this, do not want to hold up LC
14:25:47 [fjh]
fjh: josh concerns may be valid in some cases, may be implementation dependent
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ack anssik
14:26:36 [anssik]
14:26:56 [anssik]
14:27:26 [fjh]
anssik: if system unable to report charging time or discharging time, can it report default?
14:27:30 [gmandyam]
To clarify: agree with Josh Soref's comment about the low power event being the most important part of the existing API (assuming I understood him correctly). I believe the code example in the spec is misleading, as developers will not likely trust the API to modify networking behavior of the app.
14:28:02 [fjh]
anssik: Tim suggests that if cannot report some values should default from all values, but could be handled individually
14:28:27 [gmandyam]
However, developers generally trust the low power event. In my experience, HW vendors have implemented it fairly well and it will allow the app to do whatever needs to be done prior to the phone shutting down.
14:28:31 [fjh]
fjh: how do you distinguish between default value and real value?
14:28:53 [gmandyam]
We should adjust the code example in the spec reflecting this case, and put in special mention on conformance for this feature in particular.
14:29:20 [anssik]
14:30:22 [fjh]
fjh: to summarize, I believe you are saying we should treat each value independently, as far as able to report real values or not
14:30:31 [fjh]
anssik: I am proposing this edit
14:31:55 [anssik]
fjh: correct
14:34:12 [fjh]
action: gmandyam to review battery and how low battery threshold is handled
14:34:12 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-699 - Review battery and how low battery threshold is handled [on Giridhar Mandyam - due 2014-06-19].
14:34:21 [anssik]
14:35:05 [fjh]
anssik: we are starting to revisit previous decisions, have implementations
14:35:16 [fjh]
marcos: can base event on current API to do this
14:35:36 [fjh]
gmandyam: not clear to developer that hardware will be shutting down soon
14:35:41 [fjh]
marcos: can you really do this
14:36:27 [fjh]
marcos: I have done this, have github example
14:36:53 [fjh]
fjh: what was your concern with the examples
14:37:05 [fjh]
marcos: not a major concern, look too complicated
14:37:23 [fjh]
anssik: examples could be simple, may rearrange
14:37:34 [fjh]
action: anssik to propose example revisions for battery
14:37:35 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-700 - Propose example revisions for battery [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2014-06-19].
14:37:42 [gmandyam]
fjh - I have to sign off now. Please assign an action item to me re: examine current battery API to see how low power event could be mimic'ed.
14:37:52 [marcosc]
gmandyam, see
14:37:55 [anssik]
battery status playground ->
14:38:00 [Zakim]
14:38:32 [fjh]
fjh: so it is decided to defer battery LC until we have resolved issues raised on list and call
14:39:18 [fjh]
Topic: Proximity
14:39:29 [marcosc]
example battery indicator:
14:39:35 [fjh]
Proximity waiting on implementer interest/use cases:
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fjh: need more implementer interest in proximity before we can proceed
14:40:19 [fjh]
anssik: maybe can learn from ambient light implementation, agree with waiting for interest
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fjh: any action we should take
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anssik: some think this can be implemented with ambient light
14:41:53 [fjh]
fjh: maybe depend on hardware details
14:42:19 [fjh]
dom: not always appropriate to use light as substitute for proximity API
14:42:38 [fjh]
dom: webRTC is likely to use proximity API
14:43:35 [fjh]
dom: fine to wait and revisit, maybe ask Mounir
14:44:06 [Zakim]
14:44:16 [fjh]
anssik: gaming is another potential area to use this API
14:44:32 [fjh]
anssik: we need to see if people get what they need using ambient light
14:44:42 [Zakim]
14:44:46 [fjh]
Topic: Network Service Discovery
14:44:58 [fjh]
sent summary and updated questions to Web & TV group
14:45:07 [fjh]
added issues based on Youenn feedback:
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All DAP issues are NSD issues:
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richt: would like to get more feedback on NSD, including UpNP
14:46:49 [fjh]
cathy: perhaps Clarke Stevens has some feedback from that community
14:47:05 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:47:05 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Cathy, fjh, mats, anssik, richt, marcosc, dom, Lisa_DeLuca, Clarke
14:47:07 [LisaDeLuca_IBM]
> Hey > > After the battery tests, I looked at the battery plugin, and we need > to shelve the battery plugin until we get a new API. Worse yet, the > W3C API proposed is terrible and should never be implemented on > Android. > > So, as we currently implement it, we set the battery to listen to the > batteryChange event, which is used to return the battery level, which > isn't actually a percent but some number that isn't consistent across > A[CUT]
14:47:07 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Clarke, Cathy, marcosc, LisaDeLuca_IBM, anssik, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mats, dom, mounir, slightlyoff, tobie_, Josh_Soref__, trackbot
14:47:14 [LisaDeLuca_IBM]
email from the cordova mailing list related to battery
14:47:15 [LisaDeLuca_IBM]
just saw it
14:47:31 [fjh]
Clarke: need to be able to local discovery, NSD is not the only manner, we should also look at alternative
14:48:29 [fjh]
Topic: Named Web Sockets
14:48:41 [fjh]
14:48:59 [fjh]
richt: alternative to NSD is lighter weight named web sockets
14:49:16 [fjh]
richt: currently uses DNS service discovery, Bonjour
14:49:32 [fjh]
richt: similar to broadcast channel
14:49:40 [LisaDeLuca_IBM]
here is the cordova dev list thread that talks about some of the issues with the battery spec:
14:50:05 [fjh]
richt: handles lots of use cases, based on pre-agreed key to establish channel
14:50:26 [fjh]
richt: enables collaboration without centralized authority
14:50:40 [fjh]
richt: lots of functionality is enabled without much complexity
14:50:56 [fjh]
richt: another use case is to bootstap 2nd screen sharing
14:51:10 [fjh]
fjh: builds on top of web sockets
14:51:18 [fjh]
richt: do not need to reinvent things
14:52:33 [fjh]
richt: this was born out of need to simplify, and also to address user need to opt in, this is more ad hoc, limited awareness since need to know shared names
14:52:48 [fjh]
fjh: might need to make hard to guess names
14:53:08 [fjh]
richt: certainly possible
14:54:30 [fjh]
anssik: is this a BroadCast channel, new feature in HTML
14:54:50 [fjh]
richt: cross origin and cross user agent capabilities are new
14:54:54 [anssik]
s/BroadCast channel/BroadcastChannel/
14:55:11 [anssik]
s/is this a/is this similar to/
14:55:27 [fjh]
Topic: Standby API and Charter
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"Proposed approach to progressing Standby API with respect to DAP Charter”
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-> BroadcastChannel
14:56:17 [fjh]
Topic: Standby API
14:56:30 [fjh]
Start of thread, initial proposal attached: (Dariel Marlow)
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Info on implementation work (Anssi)
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Related earlier technical work (Anssi)
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Dom Proposal
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Marcos alternative proposal
14:57:00 [fjh]
fjh: suggest we continue this on the list
14:57:35 [marcosc]
14:57:41 [fjh]
dom: my first proposal is not meeting need for API, need to decide on programmatic versus declarative, seems to be most interest in proposals 2 and 3
14:58:07 [fjh]
ack marcosc
14:58:32 [fjh]
marcos: no strong opinion on API, need to flesh out the use cases
14:58:53 [anssik]
14:58:55 [fjh]
marcos: not finding a lot of apps that do this, so not sure how much of a need there is for this API
14:59:07 [anssik]
14:59:27 [fjh]
marcos: need to look at more apps to find real examples for API use
14:59:31 [fjh]
ack anssik
14:59:42 [fjh]
marcos: have been looking at ios apps
15:00:01 [fjh]
anssik: I have a voip phone that keeps screen on all the time
15:00:41 [Zakim]
15:01:01 [fjh]
marcos: lets find the use cases first then the API that fits
15:01:09 [Zakim]
15:01:12 [anssik]
zakim, ??P3 is me
15:01:12 [Zakim]
+anssik; got it
15:01:14 [fjh]
dom: bring back to ??
15:01:22 [dom]
15:01:32 [fjh]
marcos: this has no huge rush so we should gather more input
15:02:31 [fjh]
marcos: we should do a document like for NetInfo, can you, me, Dom do this
15:02:34 [fjh]
anssik: yes
15:02:50 [fjh]
anssik: seems that this API could be premature at this point
15:02:53 [fjh]
marcos: agreed
15:02:54 [Zakim]
15:03:08 [fjh]
Topic: Testing & Implementations
15:03:19 [fjh]
Test Facilitators: Zhiqiang volunteered for all apart from Battery. Marcos volunteered for battery.
15:03:19 [Zakim]
15:03:37 [fjh]
Status update and next steps?
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action: zhiquiang to provide summary of test status and next steps to DAP WG
15:04:18 [trackbot]
Error finding 'zhiquiang'. You can review and register nicknames at <>.
15:04:47 [Zakim]
15:04:50 [fjh]
action: Zhiqiang to provide summary of test status and next steps to DAP WG
15:04:50 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-701 - Provide summary of test status and next steps to dap wg [on Zhiqiang Zhang - due 2014-06-19].
15:05:06 [fjh]
Topic: Cordova update
15:05:31 [fjh]
lis: met with Dom last week regarding spec alignment, decided to start with Vibration as use case to show alighment
15:05:57 [fjh]
lisa: 4 APIs not in Cordova that are in spec, identified gaps, created Jira issues for Cordova committers
15:06:14 [dom]
15:06:21 [fjh]
lis: monthly cordova call, microsoft nad mozilla habe been doing alignment checks, should make it easier
15:06:38 [Zakim]
15:06:39 [fjh]
lis: next step is develppers update
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fjh: degree of implementer interest
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lisa: new developers are looking for work shoudl be able to help
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lisa: will send email updates as appropraite
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Topic: Other Business
15:08:12 [fjh]
next call 26 June
15:10:06 [Zakim]
15:10:08 [Zakim]
15:10:10 [Zakim]
15:10:11 [Zakim]
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15:10:13 [Zakim]
15:10:20 [fjh]
Topic: Action Items
15:10:28 [anssik]
zakim, who's on the call?
15:10:28 [Zakim]
On the phone I see anssik, fjh, marcosc
15:10:29 [fjh]
15:10:29 [trackbot]
ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN
15:10:29 [trackbot]
15:10:35 [fjh]
Topic: Pending Actions
15:10:44 [fjh]
15:10:44 [trackbot]
ACTION-689 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send cfc to update html media capture with proposal for security/privacy consideration, 1 week cfc -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:10:44 [trackbot]
15:10:50 [fjh]
close ACTION-689
15:10:50 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-689.
15:10:59 [fjh]
15:10:59 [trackbot]
ACTION-690 -- Frederick Hirsch to Reply to youenn re use cases etc -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:10:59 [trackbot]
15:11:03 [fjh]
close ACTION-690
15:11:03 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-690.
15:11:11 [fjh]
15:11:11 [trackbot]
ACTION-691 -- Frederick Hirsch to Make cfc to update battery and do another lc per suggested changes from google -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:11:11 [trackbot]
15:11:15 [fjh]
close ACTION-691
15:11:15 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-691.
15:11:21 [fjh]
15:11:21 [trackbot]
ACTION-692 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send cfc to remove light level event from ambient light, return to lc -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:11:21 [trackbot]
15:11:26 [fjh]
close ACTION-692
15:11:26 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-692.
15:11:32 [fjh]
15:11:32 [trackbot]
ACTION-693 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send message to confirm firefox status and plans to update for vibration -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:11:32 [trackbot]
15:11:37 [fjh]
close ACTION-693
15:11:37 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-693.
15:11:44 [fjh]
15:11:44 [trackbot]
ACTION-695 -- Frederick Hirsch to Check with microsoft dap members regarding plans for implementation and interop participation -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:11:44 [trackbot]
15:11:51 [fjh]
close ACTION-695
15:11:51 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-695.
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15:11:59 [trackbot]
ACTION-696 -- Mounir Lamouri to Update battery draft to incorporate promises change, add promises reference, update status section, spell check/link check/validation check. (cfc already approved for these changes) -- due 2014-06-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:12:00 [trackbot]
15:12:08 [fjh]
close ACTION-696
15:12:08 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-696.
15:12:17 [fjh]
15:12:17 [trackbot]
ACTION-697 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update html media capture editors draft with updated status section, spell check/link check/validation check -- due 2014-06-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:12:17 [trackbot]
15:12:22 [fjh]
close ACTION-697
15:12:22 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-697.
15:12:29 [fjh]
15:12:29 [trackbot]
ACTION-698 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update ambient light api editors draft to remove lightlevelevent (involves removing section 6 as well as updating other sections), update status section, spell check/link check/validation check -- due 2014-06-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:12:30 [trackbot]
15:12:34 [fjh]
close ACTION-698
15:12:34 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-698.
15:12:45 [fjh]
Topic: Other business
15:13:06 [fjh]
next call 26 June
15:14:11 [fjh]
fjh: to reiterate, Anssi will prepare 3 publication drafts including validation, link check, pubrules and adding diff links to sotd for monday morning ET - Vibration, Light, HTML Media Capture
15:14:56 [fjh]
fjh: Giri has action to review battery , Anssi to add changes proposed by fjh, add paragraph to explain model, review feedback from Tim
15:15:21 [fjh]
ACTION: anssik to add paragraph to battery explaining model, update to 6.1 proposed by fjh
15:15:21 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-702 - Add paragraph to battery explaining model, update to 6.1 proposed by fjh [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2014-06-19].
15:16:30 [fjh]
ACTION: anssik to prepare 3 publication drafts including validation, link check, pubrules and adding diff links to sotd for monday morning ET - Vibration, Light, HTML Media Capture
15:16:30 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-703 - Prepare 3 publication drafts including validation, link check, pubrules and adding diff links to sotd for monday morning et - vibration, light, html media capture [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2014-06-19].
15:17:02 [fjh]
fjh: all please review Named Web Sockets
15:17:44 [fjh]
fjh: Marcos, dom and anssi to review applications for Standby API use case confirmation
15:17:50 [fjh]
Topic: Adjourn
15:17:54 [fjh]
rrsagent, generate minutes
15:17:54 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate fjh
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Present- Marcos
15:21:01 [fjh]
Present+ Marcos_Caceres
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Present+ Clarke_Stevens
15:22:11 [fjh]
Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux,
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Present- Dominique_Hazael-Massieux,
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Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
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s/did I miss where we were no longer doing alternating weeks?//
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s/zakim who is here?//
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s/s;zakim who is here?;;//
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s/nad mozilla habe /and mozilla have /
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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s/reminder: Lisa's Apache Cordova update at the end of agenda//
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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Attendees were fjh, mats, gmandyam, anssik, Lisa_DeLuca, richt, +1.416.848.aaaa, +1.857.300.aabb, marcosc, cathy, dom, Clarke
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