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14:02:24 On the phone I see fjh, mats, gmandyam, anssik, Lisa_DeLuca 14:02:48 reminder: Lisa's Apache Cordova update at the end of agenda 14:02:58 zakim, what's the passcode? 14:02:58 the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), marcosc_ 14:03:10 Present+ Giri_Mandyam 14:03:19 +[IPcaller] 14:03:37 Present+ Rich_Tibbett 14:03:46 Present+ Cathy_Chan, Lisa_DeLuca 14:04:04 marcosc has joined #dap 14:04:04 zakim who is here? 14:04:09 zakim, who is here? 14:04:09 On the phone I see fjh, mats, gmandyam, anssik, Lisa_DeLuca, richt 14:04:11 On IRC I see marcosc, gmandyam, LisaDeLuca_IBM, anssik, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, lgombos, mats, dom, mounir, slightlyoff, tobie_, Josh_Soref__, trackbot 14:04:28 s;zakim who is here?;; 14:04:30 Cathy has joined #dap 14:04:48 Welcome to new group participants: 14:04:48 Ilya (Yandex) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0063.html 14:04:49 Yuan (Microsoft) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0062.html 14:04:50 Zhiqiang (intel), Mikio (Mitsubishi Electric) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0018.html 14:05:01 + +1.416.848.aaaa 14:05:18 + +1.857.300.aabb 14:05:23 Zakim, aaaa is me 14:05:23 +marcosc; got it 14:05:45 zakim, aabb is cathy 14:05:45 +cathy; got it 14:05:53 Present+ Marcos 14:05:59 +??P29 14:06:02 Zakim, ??P29 is me 14:06:02 +dom; got it 14:06:10 Publishing moratoria for end of 2014 : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0001.html 14:06:20 Topic: Minutes approval 14:06:29 Approve minutes from 15 May 2014 14:06:30 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/att-0022/minutes-2014-05-15.html 14:06:32 Zakim, who's on the call? 14:06:32 On the phone I see fjh, mats, gmandyam, anssik, Lisa_DeLuca, richt, marcosc, cathy, dom 14:06:37 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 15 May 2014 are approved 14:06:50 Topic: Vibration 14:07:00 Vibration API CfC: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0026.html 14:07:12 Plan to publish 19 June with LC End 25 July (5 weeks) 14:08:10 -Lisa_DeLuca 14:08:36 +Lisa_DeLuca 14:09:25 Present+ Cathy_Chan 14:09:58 fjh: anssik we will need to prepare snapshots for publishing, including adding diffs, pubrules check, link check etc 14:10:06 fjh: need to give time for publication request 14:10:26 anssik: can do this by ET monday morning 14:10:28 fjh: great, thanks 14:10:49 fjh: all, if you haven’t looked at the various CfCs please do so, ends tomorrow 14:11:01 Topic: Light 14:11:10 Vibration API CfC: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0026.html 14:11:27 fjh: CfC on list ends tomorrow 14:11:33 fjh: no comments, so good to go 14:11:47 Topic: HTML Media Capture 14:11:58 HTML Media Capture CfC; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0028.html 14:12:24 fjh: minor typo found by Cathy, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0056.html 14:12:34 fjh: other than that, no issues, so should be included 14:12:37 Topic: Battery 14:12:54 Battery CfC; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0029.html 14:13:35 fjh: some editional proposed edits based on Tim’s comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0048.html 14:14:57 fjh: I also had comment on default 14:15:51 anssik: if unknown or unable to report values use default of full, eases development 14:16:26 anssik: before sync provided, always had to provide value, but now using promises, so if don’t know how, can not resolve promise 14:16:38 anssik: also had fingerprinting concern 14:17:13 anssik: if battery is full can do everything, if low cripple experience, so iif we don’t know use full battery so not to disable experience 14:17:27 -cathy 14:17:42 fjh: we need a paragraph exlaining this model, reader would not know 14:17:52 +Cathy 14:18:11 fjh: I don’t believe this one is ready for last call, need to let it settle, do you agree 14:18:23 anssik: yes, I think we need feedback from Tim 14:18:41 q+ 14:19:32 marcos: the spec is probably good enough as it is 14:20:17 marcos: haven’t seen impact on performance, depends on implementation or hardware 14:21:16 gmandyam: firefox only doing what is in kernal, there is more that can be done, for example with qualcom extensions to the OS for example 14:21:36 for example: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890715 14:21:40 gmandyam: misleading, since there could be better 14:22:37 Clarke has joined #dap 14:23:02 Will clarify: browser can implement a power monitor using non-kernel approaches, e.g. Intel's PMIC proposal in TPAC 2013 14:23:05 See https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1lpOlTtq93XtPCtZNsX00zmSJ6idO79I6SHkzMJKLUzU/edit#slide=id.g295cff55f_2_75 14:23:16 q+ 14:23:17 +Clarke 14:24:20 q+ 14:24:34 ack gmandyam 14:25:10 fjh: to clarify, I’m not suggesting we rework the spec, just wanted Anssi to add some clarification text regarding the model, and a few notes to clarify for Tim’s comments. 14:25:25 fjh: anssik may have more to add on this, do not want to hold up LC 14:25:47 fjh: josh concerns may be valid in some cases, may be implementation dependent 14:26:31 ack anssik 14:26:36 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0044.html 14:26:56 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/rev/7476e089d3d9 14:27:26 anssik: if system unable to report charging time or discharging time, can it report default? 14:27:30 To clarify: agree with Josh Soref's comment about the low power event being the most important part of the existing API (assuming I understood him correctly). I believe the code example in the spec is misleading, as developers will not likely trust the API to modify networking behavior of the app. 14:28:02 anssik: Tim suggests that if cannot report some values should default from all values, but could be handled individually 14:28:27 However, developers generally trust the low power event. In my experience, HW vendors have implemented it fairly well and it will allow the app to do whatever needs to be done prior to the phone shutting down. 14:28:31 fjh: how do you distinguish between default value and real value? 14:28:53 We should adjust the code example in the spec reflecting this case, and put in special mention on conformance for this feature in particular. 14:29:20 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/rev/7476e089d3d9 14:30:22 fjh: to summarize, I believe you are saying we should treat each value independently, as far as able to report real values or not 14:30:31 anssik: I am proposing this edit 14:31:55 fjh: correct 14:34:12 action: gmandyam to review battery and how low battery threshold is handled 14:34:12 Created ACTION-699 - Review battery and how low battery threshold is handled [on Giridhar Mandyam - due 2014-06-19]. 14:34:21 http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-battery-status-20110915/ 14:35:05 anssik: we are starting to revisit previous decisions, have implementations 14:35:16 marcos: can base event on current API to do this 14:35:36 gmandyam: not clear to developer that hardware will be shutting down soon 14:35:41 marcos: can you really do this 14:36:27 marcos: I have done this, have github example 14:36:53 fjh: what was your concern with the examples 14:37:05 marcos: not a major concern, look too complicated 14:37:23 anssik: examples could be simple, may rearrange 14:37:34 action: anssik to propose example revisions for battery 14:37:35 Created ACTION-700 - Propose example revisions for battery [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2014-06-19]. 14:37:42 fjh - I have to sign off now. Please assign an action item to me re: examine current battery API to see how low power event could be mimic'ed. 14:37:52 gmandyam, see https://github.com/marcoscaceres/playground/blob/gh-pages/flexbox/keypad.html#L233 14:37:55 battery status playground -> http://anssiko.github.io/battery-status/ 14:38:00 -gmandyam 14:38:32 fjh: so it is decided to defer battery LC until we have resolved issues raised on list and call 14:39:18 Topic: Proximity 14:39:29 example battery indicator: http://marcoscaceres.github.io/playground/flexbox/keypad.html 14:39:35 Proximity waiting on implementer interest/use cases: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0019.html 14:39:49 fjh: need more implementer interest in proximity before we can proceed 14:40:19 anssik: maybe can learn from ambient light implementation, agree with waiting for interest 14:40:30 fjh: any action we should take 14:40:42 anssik: some think this can be implemented with ambient light 14:41:53 fjh: maybe depend on hardware details 14:42:19 dom: not always appropriate to use light as substitute for proximity API 14:42:38 dom: webRTC is likely to use proximity API 14:43:35 dom: fine to wait and revisit, maybe ask Mounir 14:44:06 -Cathy 14:44:16 anssik: gaming is another potential area to use this API 14:44:32 anssik: we need to see if people get what they need using ambient light 14:44:42 +Cathy 14:44:46 Topic: Network Service Discovery 14:44:58 sent summary and updated questions to Web & TV group http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0012.html 14:45:07 added issues based on Youenn feedback: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0029.html 14:45:17 All DAP issues are NSD issues: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/open 14:45:57 richt: would like to get more feedback on NSD, including UpNP 14:46:49 cathy: perhaps Clarke Stevens has some feedback from that community 14:47:05 zakim, who is here? 14:47:05 On the phone I see Cathy, fjh, mats, anssik, richt, marcosc, dom, Lisa_DeLuca, Clarke 14:47:07 > Hey > > After the battery tests, I looked at the battery plugin, and we need > to shelve the battery plugin until we get a new API. Worse yet, the > W3C API proposed is terrible and should never be implemented on > Android. > > So, as we currently implement it, we set the battery to listen to the > batteryChange event, which is used to return the battery level, which > isn't actually a percent but some number that isn't consistent across > A[CUT] 14:47:07 On IRC I see Clarke, Cathy, marcosc, LisaDeLuca_IBM, anssik, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mats, dom, mounir, slightlyoff, tobie_, Josh_Soref__, trackbot 14:47:14 email from the cordova mailing list related to battery 14:47:15 just saw it 14:47:31 Clarke: need to be able to local discovery, NSD is not the only manner, we should also look at alternative 14:48:29 Topic: Named Web Sockets 14:48:41 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0032.html 14:48:59 richt: alternative to NSD is lighter weight named web sockets 14:49:16 richt: currently uses DNS service discovery, Bonjour 14:49:32 richt: similar to broadcast channel 14:49:40 here is the cordova dev list thread that talks about some of the issues with the battery spec: http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=org.apache.incubator.callback-dev+list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.callback-dev+order%3Adate-backward+battery+plugin+api+drains#query:org.apache.incubator.callback-dev%20list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.callback-dev%20order%3Adate-backward%20battery%20plugin%20api%20drains+page:1+mid:4auqqxne2pfvnpm2+state:results 14:50:05 richt: handles lots of use cases, based on pre-agreed key to establish channel 14:50:26 richt: enables collaboration without centralized authority 14:50:40 richt: lots of functionality is enabled without much complexity 14:50:56 richt: another use case is to bootstap 2nd screen sharing 14:51:10 fjh: builds on top of web sockets 14:51:18 richt: do not need to reinvent things 14:52:33 richt: this was born out of need to simplify, and also to address user need to opt in, this is more ad hoc, limited awareness since need to know shared names 14:52:48 fjh: might need to make hard to guess names 14:53:08 richt: certainly possible 14:54:30 anssik: is this a BroadCast channel, new feature in HTML 14:54:50 richt: cross origin and cross user agent capabilities are new 14:54:54 s/BroadCast channel/BroadcastChannel/ 14:55:11 s/is this a/is this similar to/ 14:55:27 Topic: Standby API and Charter 14:55:41 "Proposed approach to progressing Standby API with respect to DAP Charter” http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0077.html 14:55:55 -> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/web-messaging.html#broadcastchannel BroadcastChannel 14:56:17 Topic: Standby API 14:56:30 Start of thread, initial proposal attached: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Feb/0001.html (Dariel Marlow) 14:56:31 Info on implementation work http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0034.html (Anssi) 14:56:32 Related earlier technical work http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0038.html (Anssi) 14:56:33 Dom Proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0049.html 14:56:34 Marcos alternative proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014May/0054.html 14:57:00 fjh: suggest we continue this on the list 14:57:35 +q 14:57:41 dom: my first proposal is not meeting need for API, need to decide on programmatic versus declarative, seems to be most interest in proposals 2 and 3 14:58:07 ack marcosc 14:58:32 marcos: no strong opinion on API, need to flesh out the use cases 14:58:53 q+ 14:58:55 marcos: not finding a lot of apps that do this, so not sure how much of a need there is for this API 14:59:07 q? 14:59:27 marcos: need to look at more apps to find real examples for API use 14:59:31 ack anssik 14:59:42 marcos: have been looking at ios apps 15:00:01 anssik: I have a voip phone that keeps screen on all the time 15:00:41 -anssik 15:01:01 marcos: lets find the use cases first then the API that fits 15:01:09 +??P3 15:01:12 zakim, ??P3 is me 15:01:12 +anssik; got it 15:01:14 dom: bring back to ?? 15:01:22 s/??/WebMob/ 15:01:32 marcos: this has no huge rush so we should gather more input 15:02:31 marcos: we should do a document like for NetInfo, can you, me, Dom do this 15:02:34 anssik: yes 15:02:50 anssik: seems that this API could be premature at this point 15:02:53 marcos: agreed 15:02:54 -Cathy 15:03:08 Topic: Testing & Implementations 15:03:19 Test Facilitators: Zhiqiang volunteered for all apart from Battery. Marcos volunteered for battery. 15:03:19 +Cathy 15:03:37 Status update and next steps? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Jun/0016.html 15:04:18 action: zhiquiang to provide summary of test status and next steps to DAP WG 15:04:18 Error finding 'zhiquiang'. You can review and register nicknames at . 15:04:47 -Cathy 15:04:50 action: Zhiqiang to provide summary of test status and next steps to DAP WG 15:04:50 Created ACTION-701 - Provide summary of test status and next steps to dap wg [on Zhiqiang Zhang - due 2014-06-19]. 15:05:06 Topic: Cordova update 15:05:31 lis: met with Dom last week regarding spec alignment, decided to start with Vibration as use case to show alighment 15:05:57 lisa: 4 APIs not in Cordova that are in spec, identified gaps, created Jira issues for Cordova committers 15:06:14 https://github.com/MSOpenTech/cordova-api-audit/compare/w3 15:06:21 lis: monthly cordova call, microsoft nad mozilla habe been doing alignment checks, should make it easier 15:06:38 +Cathy 15:06:39 lis: next step is develppers update 15:06:47 fjh: degree of implementer interest 15:06:58 lisa: new developers are looking for work shoudl be able to help 15:07:27 lisa: will send email updates as appropraite 15:07:43 Topic: Other Business 15:08:12 next call 26 June 15:10:06 -Clarke 15:10:08 -dom 15:10:10 -Cathy 15:10:11 -richt 15:10:13 -Lisa_DeLuca 15:10:13 -mats 15:10:20 Topic: Action Items 15:10:28 zakim, who's on the call? 15:10:28 On the phone I see anssik, fjh, marcosc 15:10:29 ACTION-523? 15:10:29 ACTION-523 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Work on test cases for battery, vibration, and HTML Media Capture -- due 2012-08-31 -- OPEN 15:10:29 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/523 15:10:35 Topic: Pending Actions 15:10:44 ACTION-689? 15:10:44 ACTION-689 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send cfc to update html media capture with proposal for security/privacy consideration, 1 week cfc -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:10:44 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/689 15:10:50 close ACTION-689 15:10:50 Closed ACTION-689. 15:10:59 ACTION-690? 15:10:59 ACTION-690 -- Frederick Hirsch to Reply to youenn re use cases etc -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:10:59 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/690 15:11:03 close ACTION-690 15:11:03 Closed ACTION-690. 15:11:11 ACTION-691? 15:11:11 ACTION-691 -- Frederick Hirsch to Make cfc to update battery and do another lc per suggested changes from google -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:11:11 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/691 15:11:15 close ACTION-691 15:11:15 Closed ACTION-691. 15:11:21 ACTION-692? 15:11:21 ACTION-692 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send cfc to remove light level event from ambient light, return to lc -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:11:21 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/692 15:11:26 close ACTION-692 15:11:26 Closed ACTION-692. 15:11:32 ACTION-693? 15:11:32 ACTION-693 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send message to confirm firefox status and plans to update for vibration -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:11:32 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/693 15:11:37 close ACTION-693 15:11:37 Closed ACTION-693. 15:11:44 ACTION-695? 15:11:44 ACTION-695 -- Frederick Hirsch to Check with microsoft dap members regarding plans for implementation and interop participation -- due 2014-05-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:11:44 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/695 15:11:51 close ACTION-695 15:11:51 Closed ACTION-695. 15:11:59 ACTION-696? 15:11:59 ACTION-696 -- Mounir Lamouri to Update battery draft to incorporate promises change, add promises reference, update status section, spell check/link check/validation check. (cfc already approved for these changes) -- due 2014-06-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:12:00 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/696 15:12:08 close ACTION-696 15:12:08 Closed ACTION-696. 15:12:17 ACTION-697? 15:12:17 ACTION-697 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update html media capture editors draft with updated status section, spell check/link check/validation check -- due 2014-06-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:12:17 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/697 15:12:22 close ACTION-697 15:12:22 Closed ACTION-697. 15:12:29 ACTION-698? 15:12:29 ACTION-698 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Update ambient light api editors draft to remove lightlevelevent (involves removing section 6 as well as updating other sections), update status section, spell check/link check/validation check -- due 2014-06-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:12:30 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/698 15:12:34 close ACTION-698 15:12:34 Closed ACTION-698. 15:12:45 Topic: Other business 15:13:06 next call 26 June 15:14:11 fjh: to reiterate, Anssi will prepare 3 publication drafts including validation, link check, pubrules and adding diff links to sotd for monday morning ET - Vibration, Light, HTML Media Capture 15:14:56 fjh: Giri has action to review battery , Anssi to add changes proposed by fjh, add paragraph to explain model, review feedback from Tim 15:15:21 ACTION: anssik to add paragraph to battery explaining model, update to 6.1 proposed by fjh 15:15:21 Created ACTION-702 - Add paragraph to battery explaining model, update to 6.1 proposed by fjh [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2014-06-19]. 15:16:30 ACTION: anssik to prepare 3 publication drafts including validation, link check, pubrules and adding diff links to sotd for monday morning ET - Vibration, Light, HTML Media Capture 15:16:30 Created ACTION-703 - Prepare 3 publication drafts including validation, link check, pubrules and adding diff links to sotd for monday morning et - vibration, light, html media capture [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2014-06-19]. 15:17:02 fjh: all please review Named Web Sockets 15:17:44 fjh: Marcos, dom and anssi to review applications for Standby API use case confirmation 15:17:50 Topic: Adjourn 15:17:54 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:17:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:20:49 lgombos has joined #dap 15:20:56 Present- Marcos 15:21:01 Present+ Marcos_Caceres 15:21:19 Present+ Clarke_Stevens 15:22:11 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, 15:22:38 Present- Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, 15:22:45 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 15:23:35 s/did I miss where we were no longer doing alternating weeks?// 15:23:42 s/zakim who is here?// 15:23:54 s/s;zakim who is here?;;// 15:24:51 s/nad mozilla habe /and mozilla have / 15:25:10 s/alighment/alignment/ 15:25:25 s/develppers/developers/ 15:25:37 s/appropraite/appropriate/ 15:25:57 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:25:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:26:29 s/reminder: Lisa's Apache Cordova update at the end of agenda// 15:27:19 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:27:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:27:53 -fjh 15:40:48 -anssik 15:40:49 -marcosc 15:40:50 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 15:40:51 Attendees were fjh, mats, gmandyam, anssik, Lisa_DeLuca, richt, +1.416.848.aaaa, +1.857.300.aabb, marcosc, cathy, dom, Clarke 15:49:51 lgombos has joined #dap 15:56:12 lgombos_ has joined #dap 16:06:17 fjh has joined #dap 16:28:19 fjh has joined #dap 17:30:32 fjh has joined #dap 17:41:52 marcosc has joined #dap 17:49:23 fjh has joined #dap 18:17:36 marcosc has joined #dap 18:18:28 marcosc_ has joined #dap 18:54:33 mats has joined #dap 19:15:35 lgombos has joined #dap 19:38:34 mats has joined #dap 19:59:53 lgombos_ has joined #dap 20:07:03 lgombos__ has joined #dap 21:46:01 lgombos__ has joined #dap 22:16:41 lgombos__ has joined #dap