12:54:22 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:54:22 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/06/06-dwbp-irc 12:55:07 Meeting: DWBP Weekly 12:55:13 chair: Hadley 12:56:06 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140606 12:57:17 yaso has joined #dwbp 12:58:02 adler1 has joined #DWBP 12:58:22 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started 12:58:27 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended 12:58:28 Attendees were 12:58:31 hi Phil 12:58:40 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started 12:58:47 +adler1 12:58:59 HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp 12:59:23 +[IPcaller] 12:59:36 +HadleyBeeman 12:59:36 zakim, ipcaller is me 12:59:37 +laufer; got it 12:59:45 zakim, code? 12:59:45 the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan 12:59:56 +[IPcaller] 13:00:04 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:00:04 +PhilA_; got it 13:00:06 cgueret has joined #dwbp 13:00:12 +Recorder 13:00:15 +??P21 13:00:16 +??P20 13:00:16 zakim who is on the call? 13:00:21 zakim, Recorder is me 13:00:21 +ivan; got it 13:00:26 zakim, ??P21 is me 13:00:26 +cgueret; got it 13:00:29 I guess 13:00:47 ok, I quite and re-join to see... 13:00:50 -cgueret 13:01:00 -??P20 13:01:17 +??P20 13:01:22 zakim, who is here? 13:01:22 On the phone I see adler1, laufer, HadleyBeeman, PhilA_, ivan, ??P20 13:01:22 zakim, ??P20 is me 13:01:23 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 13:01:24 On IRC I see cgueret, HadleyBeeman, adler1, yaso, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ig_Bittencourt, PhilA_, laufer, ivan, trackbot 13:01:24 +cgueret; got it 13:01:38 zakim, pick a victim 13:01:39 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose HadleyBeeman 13:01:42 +??P21 13:01:47 zakim, pick a victim 13:01:47 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose cgueret 13:01:55 ok 13:01:56 deirdrelee has joined #dwbp 13:01:56 Zakim, ??P21 is me 13:01:57 +Ig_Bittencourt; got it 13:02:04 The chair is always excused from scribing - can't do both jobs 13:02:04 Zakim, mute me 13:02:04 Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted 13:02:13 + +3539149aaaa 13:02:15 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-30 13:02:27 zakim, +353 is me 13:02:27 +deirdrelee; got it 13:02:28 zakim, mute me 13:02:29 cgueret should now be muted 13:02:30 PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-30 13:02:33 +Caroline 13:02:34 +1 13:02:34 zakim, I hate you 13:02:34 I don't understand 'I hate you', cgueret 13:02:50 +1 13:02:53 +1 13:02:57 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:03:04 + +1.509.554.aabb 13:03:08 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 13:03:12 +1 13:03:46 zakim, aabb is me 13:03:46 +ericstephan; got it 13:03:59 +1 13:04:00 +1 13:04:01 +1 13:04:11 yaso_ has joined #dwbp 13:04:15 RESOLVED 13:04:19 RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-30 13:04:44 Topic: use case document 13:04:53 HadleyBeeman: what's the status ? 13:04:57 Here's a hint HadleyBeeman http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-30 13:05:05 Sorry, I meant this http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/ 13:05:16 Cheers, phila_! 13:05:38 deirdrelee: got published yesterday 13:05:50 ... announced on lists, twitter etc 13:06:00 +[IPcaller] 13:06:04 ... live document that will have new versions 13:06:06 zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio 13:06:06 +BernadetteLoscio; got it 13:06:12 ... use the issue tracker for this 13:06:50 BernadetteLoscio: some issues still have to be resolved 13:06:50 You can see the current raised issues at http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/raised - and each one is now associated with a 'product' 13:07:13 q+ to talk about tracker if you want me to HadleyBeeman 13:07:27 ... please have a look at the issues 13:07:38 q+ to ask about the tracker and our weekly calls. 13:07:39 issue-4? 13:07:39 issue-4 -- Add a matrix table to summarize UCs vs challenges/requirements -- raised 13:07:39 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/4 13:07:40 CarlosIglesias has joined #dwbp 13:07:43 ack phil 13:07:43 PhilA_, you wanted to talk about tracker if you want me to HadleyBeeman 13:07:50 PhilA_: the tracker is the same system for issues and actions 13:07:55 ... useful for the editors 13:08:10 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:08:20 +??P5 13:08:26 ... minors issues can be tackled directly by editors, other may require discussions 13:08:34 zakim, ??P5 is really me 13:08:34 +CarlosIglesias; got it 13:08:40 ... for this do the same as for actions, also for the mails on the list 13:08:53 ... we have three products 13:09:09 ... for the two vocabs the tracker is following the vocab list 13:09:25 ... one product for the BP as a whole or one product per BP ? 13:09:44 ... risk of mail flooding ! 13:09:51 +??P28 13:09:56 q+ 13:10:06 zakim, who is noisy? 13:10:10 data usage next generation 13:10:15 :) 13:10:16 PhilA_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: BernadetteLoscio (65%), adler1 (25%), laufer (30%), HadleyBeeman (31%), Caroline (36%) 13:10:16 haha 13:10:29 zakim, mute me 13:10:29 laufer should now be muted 13:10:40 zakim, mute me 13:10:40 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:10:49 ack HadleyBeeman 13:10:49 HadleyBeeman, you wanted to ask about the tracker and our weekly calls. 13:11:02 deirdrelee: happy to take advises on what to do for the BP document 13:11:10 q+ 13:11:17 adrianoc has joined #DWBP 13:11:24 ... lean towards having different deliverables in the tracker 13:11:30 ... instead of versioning sections 13:12:14 q+ 13:12:17 ... what do you want editors ? 13:12:45 deirdrelee: ok 13:12:46 I would suggest that yes, a section on issues would be a good addition to the regular agenda 13:12:49 ack deirdrelee 13:12:56 ack ivan 13:13:17 ivan: the tracker is intelligent enough to dig out specific issues in text 13:13:47 ... works in both text and subject of mails 13:14:27 ... don't forget that to publish a doc all the issues must be closed 13:14:40 ... they all need to be closed or explained 13:14:53 ack BernadetteLoscio 13:14:53 zakim, unmute me 13:14:54 BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio 13:14:59 Zakim, yaso has nathalia 13:14:59 sorry, nathalia, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso' 13:15:10 Zakim, Caroline_ is yaso 13:15:10 sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_' 13:15:11 BernadetteLoscio: talk about the BP document ? 13:15:21 Zakim, Yaso has caroline 13:15:21 sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Yaso' 13:15:30 Zakim, caroline has yaso 13:15:30 +yaso; got it 13:15:41 Zakim, yaso has nathalia 13:15:41 sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso' 13:15:44 ... we have the ucr and several BP sections now 13:15:45 Zakim, caroline has nathalia 13:15:45 +nathalia; got it 13:16:04 ... we should group BPs to match requirements 13:16:15 ... to organise all the information 13:16:26 documents we are looking at as examples: Best Practices for Publishing Linked Data - http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-ld-bp-20140109/ Web Application Privacy Best Practices - http://www.w3.org/TR/app-privacy-bp/ Best Practice Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies - http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-swbp-vocab-pub-20080828/ Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 - http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-mobile-bp-20080729/ 13:16:33 ... worry that requirements and BP sections will be hard to link 13:16:55 regrets+ Martin, Eric Kauz, Newton, Flavio, Antoine, Ghislain, Makx, Jeremy, Mark 13:17:05 HadleyBeeman: +1 to connect the bits and be sure they don't run off in all directions 13:17:54 + to BernadetteLoscio concern about the BP document 13:18:16 PhilA_: time fixed for vocab call 13:18:24 ... Thursdays 13:19:05 HadleyBeeman: BernadetteLoscio / deirdrelee will you join this week ? 13:19:17 ... would be good to see how to match up vocab and ucr 13:19:17 Topic: Vocabulary calls 13:19:24 See Group calendar https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Working_Group_Calendar 13:19:33 Every other week 13:19:43 deirdrelee: may be able to make it 13:19:51 Fixed to 12:00 Eastern (because Zakim is) 13:19:59 q+ 13:20:08 ack BernadetteLoscio 13:20:22 BernadetteLoscio: need common terminology 13:20:36 ... will be useful for best practices 13:20:46 ... why not make a glossary ? 13:20:59 Yes, there is a Linked Data glossary at http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary 13:21:17 ... define things once for all documents 13:21:26 Is the Linked Data glossary a living document? 13:21:45 HadleyBeeman: within one can go at the end of the doc, for across the docs there should be a separate page 13:21:59 ... will be used internally and as a communication 13:22:04 ... 1) we need now 13:22:11 ... 2) we may or may not need later 13:22:25 in addition to what Bernadette is proposing it would be good trying to adopt a more neutral discourse globally, avoiding Open/Linked data bias where not necessary 13:22:36 ... "living document" ? we can work on updating it 13:22:53 otherwise this could start to be quite confusing for people 13:22:54 PhilA_: it's a note and not a rec so it can be changed 13:22:57 q+ 13:23:01 good point PhilA 13:23:10 ... biggest problem here is that the topic is LD so it's narrower than our scope 13:23:25 ... but we could superseed it in a new version 13:23:31 +1 PhilA 13:23:35 ... repeat and extend the content in our new glossary 13:23:43 +1 13:24:00 q+ 13:24:08 ack bern 13:24:08 HadleyBeeman: if we do that just be sure that's the thing we want to do 13:24:38 BernadetteLoscio: there are many general concepts we can re-use 13:24:39 ack me 13:25:12 -BernadetteLoscio 13:25:24 PhilA_: support BernadetteLoscio and HadleyBeeman, we need to see if extending the doc is a good idea 13:25:38 ... discussed extending/using that glossary for another work too 13:25:49 ... so maybe interesting in a wider context to extend it 13:26:12 HadleyBeeman: we need to list what we need to define 13:26:22 ... can be derived from discussion 13:26:48 Topic: actions 13:26:49 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open 13:27:01 action-20? 13:27:01 action-20 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:27:01 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/20 13:28:02 ericstephan: initial discussions done during the f2f, home work now is to look at ucr to find data usage examples 13:28:14 ... also looking at csv on the web use-case document 13:28:30 HadleyBeeman: set due date next Friday 13:28:35 ericstephan: +1 13:29:04 action-20? 13:29:04 action-20 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:29:04 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/20 13:29:28 A new link has been made off of the F2F1 Data usage Notes 13:29:30 action-22? 13:29:30 action-22 -- Deirdre Lee to Work with bernadette to ensure that each requirement links back to a use case -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN 13:29:30 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/22 13:29:35 BernadetteLoscio_ has joined #dwbp 13:29:38 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes 13:29:47 action-22? 13:29:47 action-22 -- Deirdre Lee to Work with bernadette to ensure that each requirement links back to a use case -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN 13:29:47 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/22 13:29:48 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Vocabulary_Meetings 13:30:03 deirdrelee: can be closed 13:30:15 RESOLVED: action-22 13:30:24 close action-22 13:30:24 Closed action-22. 13:30:28 action-23 ? 13:30:28 action-23 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as prov-o, data cube, skos -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:30:28 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/23 13:30:55 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:30:57 action-28? 13:30:57 action-28 -- Eric Stephan to Write some other examples that are no open data -- due 2014-05-02 -- OPEN 13:30:57 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/28 13:31:09 Zakim, caroline has nathalia 13:31:09 nathalia was already listed in Caroline, nathalia 13:31:16 ericstephan: on the backburner but should be complete by next week 13:31:22 HadleyBeeman: still relevant? 13:31:41 ericstephan: willing to do it anyway, could be useful for later 13:31:43 q+ 13:31:47 zakim, who is noisy? 13:31:57 HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: PhilA_ (4%), HadleyBeeman (39%), ivan (20%), ericstephan (55%) 13:32:12 q- 13:32:31 HadleyBeeman: initial plan was to fit the content into the use-case doc but could go somewhere else 13:32:40 zakim, mute ivan 13:32:40 ivan should now be muted 13:32:53 HadleyBeeman: shift due-date on that one too 13:33:12 PhilA_: closed data is an important aspect 13:33:35 ... suggest ericstephan to scan through the use-case document 13:33:56 +1 to phila_'s suggestion 13:34:04 ... if covered ok, if not covered then important to do something 13:34:10 +1 to PhilA_ too 13:34:13 q+ 13:34:57 HadleyBeeman: open a new action to keep track on this 13:34:57 close action-28 13:34:57 Closed action-28. 13:35:38 action: ericstephan to review UCR with closed data in mind 13:35:38 Created ACTION-45 - Review ucr with closed data in mind [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-06-13]. 13:35:54 action-30? 13:35:54 action-30 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Come back with schedule to the wg -- due 2014-05-09 -- OPEN 13:35:54 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/30 13:36:02 MTCarrasco has joined #dwbp 13:36:16 action-31? 13:36:16 action-31 -- Carlos Iglesias to Do mapping between the best practices and challenges and the requirements and add concrete examples -- due 2014-05-09 -- OPEN 13:36:16 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/31 13:36:41 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:36:44 CarlosIglesias: still working on it 13:37:01 ... the map is complete but not respect to the challenges so far 13:37:02 +??P1 13:37:13 ... remain to add statistics and map challenges 13:37:20 zakim, ??P1 is me 13:37:20 +MTCarrasco; got it 13:37:26 HadleyBeeman: still fit in UCR ? 13:37:37 Im sorry... I lost connections 13:37:39 CarlosIglesias: the connection is on the document 13:38:08 ... but miss a bit seeing how everything will be together at the end 13:38:17 No.. Internet connection :) 13:39:24 ... we just need to agree on a final format for the BPs 13:39:43 ... otherwise we'll build many collection documents 13:40:08 ... would like this agreement being made before spending further time on it 13:40:43 Yes... I agre 13:40:53 HadleyBeeman: close the action and create an issue to check is best practices and use-cases are correctly related 13:41:12 close action-31 13:41:12 Closed action-31. 13:41:35 action-32 ? 13:41:35 action-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-09 -- OPEN 13:41:35 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32 13:41:36 action-32? 13:41:36 action-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-09 -- OPEN 13:41:36 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32 13:41:48 HadleyBeeman: did not do it yet 13:41:54 ... change due date 13:41:57 action-33? 13:41:57 action-33 -- Phil Archer to Contact tomas carassoco re working on uri bps -- due 2014-05-16 -- CLOSED 13:41:57 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/33 13:42:17 PhilA_: has happened, action is closed now 13:42:32 action-20? 13:42:32 action-20 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:42:32 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/20 13:42:32 action-20 ? 13:42:33 action-20 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:42:33 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/20 13:42:48 HadleyBeeman: BernadetteLoscio done ? 13:43:07 Im sorry... I just can chat now 13:43:19 ericstephan: speaking for BernadetteLoscio, yep we'll adress this shortly 13:43:26 action-23? 13:43:26 action-23 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as prov-o, data cube, skos -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:43:26 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/23 13:43:36 HadleyBeeman: suggest to close and turn into an issue 13:43:53 Yes 13:43:55 HadleyBeeman: BernadetteLoscio +1 to that ? 13:43:56 -??P28 13:44:10 HadleyBeeman: what to do with action-20 BernadetteLoscio ? 13:44:20 +1 13:44:43 action-35? 13:44:43 action-35 -- Hadley Beeman to Contact bernadette and eric stephan to coordinate about the data usage effort -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN 13:44:43 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/35 13:44:57 HadleyBeeman: taking place through the call... 13:45:10 close action-35 13:45:11 Closed action-35. 13:45:13 BernadetteLoscio_ has joined #dwbp 13:45:15 ericstephan: things are going ok at the moment 13:45:22 yes... 13:45:29 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Vocabulary_Meetings 13:45:51 ericstephan: put together several content in the wiki 13:46:09 BernadetteLoscio_ has joined #dwbp 13:46:29 q+ to talk about using IRC 13:46:30 ... we agreed to take notes on GoogleDoc during the meeting and then transfer everything on the wiki at the end 13:46:43 ack deird 13:46:44 ack deirdrelee 13:47:10 deirdrelee: there are UCR that are specificaly about closed data and other that can apply to both 13:47:16 ack phil 13:47:17 PhilA_, you wanted to talk about using IRC 13:47:20 Sounds great Deirdre 13:47:32 PhilA_: ericstephan you are free to use the IRC channel whenever you want 13:47:40 +[IPcaller] 13:47:43 zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio 13:47:43 +BernadetteLoscio; got it 13:47:45 ... you don't have to have a conference call associated to use it 13:47:59 me too 13:48:04 yes! 13:48:04 -deirdrelee 13:48:06 ericstephan: great, will use it 13:48:11 -adler1 13:48:15 action-37? 13:48:15 action-37 -- Yaso Córdova to Start the process of creating a technical factors document with the other contributors -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN 13:48:15 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/37 13:48:29 yaso: started 13:48:55 ... we need more people to contribute 13:48:58 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:49:32 ... need to get more information from, e.g., internet of things 13:49:43 ... also data representation and privacy 13:49:47 zakim, mute me 13:49:47 sorry, BernadetteLoscio_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:49:48 ... so need more use-cases 13:50:32 HadleyBeeman: any volunteer ? 13:51:02 yaso: I'll pick it up 13:52:06 action yaso to generate/collate further use cases concerning IoT, transport, privacy 13:52:06 Created ACTION-46 - Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy [on Yaso Córdova - due 2014-06-13]. 13:52:24 close action-37 13:52:24 Closed action-37. 13:52:33 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Technical_factors_affecting_potential_use_of_open_data_for_innovation,_efficiency_and_commercial_exploitation 13:52:53 HadleyBeeman: looking for use-cases on these topics 13:53:17 action-39? 13:53:17 action-39 -- Carlos Laufer to Summarize the ideas (create categories) from the mailing list on the wiki page for guidance on metadata -- due 2014-05-23 -- OPEN 13:53:17 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/39 13:53:20 zakim, unmute me 13:53:20 laufer should no longer be muted 13:53:31 laufer: can be closed 13:53:46 ... we have a list of categories in the guidance 13:54:02 ... asked for more links and content to populate the document 13:54:09 ... antoine sent some on licenses 13:54:36 ... we have a lot of information to put in the document 13:54:55 ... close this action and work on extending the content 13:55:10 close action-39 13:55:10 Closed action-39. 13:55:25 ... this guidance is a kind of BP 13:56:06 HadleyBeeman: best to focus on finishing what you want to do and then think about where to fit in within other BP sections 13:56:16 laufer: ok 13:56:34 action-40? 13:56:34 action-40 -- Flavio Yanai to Start the versioning document/research with newton -- due 2014-05-23 -- OPEN 13:56:34 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/40 13:56:51 action-41? 13:56:51 action-41 -- Mark Harrison to Add skos recommendations into controlled vocabularies -- due 2014-05-23 -- OPEN 13:56:51 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/41 13:56:58 action-42? 13:56:58 action-42 -- Newton Calegari to Improve bp - uri document with new references -- due 2014-05-30 -- OPEN 13:56:58 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/42 13:57:01 zakim, mute me 13:57:01 laufer should now be muted 13:57:07 action-45? 13:57:07