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14:00:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:00:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:00:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:00:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:00:19 <trackbot> Date: 05 June 2014
14:00:29 <r12a> zakim, this will be i18n
14:00:30 <Zakim> ok, r12a, I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM already started
14:00:36 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
14:00:36 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:00:37 <Zakim> +Richard
14:00:44 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
14:00:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.781.221.aaaa, Richard (muted)
14:00:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Leandro, matial, r12a, trackbot
14:01:05 <David> David has joined #i18n
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14:01:16 <Zakim> +??P34
14:01:26 <matial> zakim, ??p34 is me
14:01:26 <Zakim> +matial; got it
14:01:32 <aphillip> zakim, code
14:01:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', aphillip
14:01:35 <aphillip> zakim, code?
14:01:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 4186 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), aphillip
14:01:40 <r12a> zakim, +1 is Leandro
14:01:40 <Zakim> +Leandro; got it
14:01:47 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
14:01:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Leandro, Richard, matial
14:01:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see aphillip, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, Leandro, matial, r12a, trackbot
14:01:51 <Zakim> +aphillip
14:02:07 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jun/0003.html
14:02:14 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:02:41 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
14:02:46 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix
14:03:04 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:03:09 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:03:13 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:03:20 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:03:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Leandro, Richard, matial, aphillip
14:03:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see aphillip, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, Leandro, matial, r12a, trackbot
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14:05:06 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:05:32 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:05:37 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:05:48 <Zakim> +JcK
14:07:00 <aphillip> action-251?
14:07:00 <trackbot> action-251 -- Addison Phillips to Contact the epub folks and see if they will write to html asking about ruby -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN
14:07:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/251
14:07:36 <aphillip> action-252?
14:07:36 <trackbot> action-252 -- Felix Sasaki to Ping dita folks about contacting html5 about ruby progress -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN
14:07:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/252
14:08:25 <aphillip> close action-302
14:08:25 <trackbot> Closed action-302.
14:08:32 <aphillip> richard: need to announce these
14:09:18 <aphillip> close action-307
14:09:18 <trackbot> Closed action-307.
14:09:30 <aphillip> action: addison: talk to susan about tpac arrangements
14:09:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-311 - Talk to susan about tpac arrangements [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-12].
14:10:11 <aphillip> close action-309
14:10:11 <trackbot> Closed action-309.
14:10:25 <aphillip> close action-310
14:10:25 <trackbot> Closed action-310.
14:10:33 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:11:06 <aphillip> chair: welcoming Leandro from Adobe
14:11:19 <aphillip> leandro: been on globalization team of Adobe since 1996
14:11:27 <aphillip> ... involved with I18N of our products
14:11:52 <aphillip> ... have an internal website about internationalization
14:12:08 <aphillip> ... the "globalization report card"
14:12:28 <aphillip> ... currently the globalization architect for digital marketing product
14:12:45 <aphillip> ... working on bidi in one of our products
14:12:51 <aphillip> ... thanks for having me here
14:13:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:13:16 <aphillip> richard: published last call for Encoding
14:13:40 <aphillip> richard: just been working on tests for @dir
14:13:48 <aphillip> ... in HTML to check that it does isolation
14:13:56 <aphillip> ... talked to Aharon
14:14:03 <aphillip> ... he won't have time to develop tests
14:14:11 <aphillip> richard: looked at encoding tests
14:14:31 <aphillip> JcK: precis document
14:14:58 <aphillip> ... which seems to encourage every protocol to have its own character rules
14:15:02 <aphillip> ... being hotly debated
14:15:17 <r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1083
14:15:25 <aphillip> richard: universal access discussion in oman
14:15:36 <aphillip> ... the above link is the blog post trip report about it
14:15:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:15:56 <aphillip> Topic: RADAR
14:16:13 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:17:18 <aphillip> SCXML
14:17:58 <aphillip> State Chart XML (SCXML): State Machine Notation for Control Abstraction
14:18:25 <aphillip> Topic: Review of CSS-Variables and Tracking-DNT
14:18:39 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/56
14:19:09 <aphillip> issue-346?
14:19:09 <trackbot> issue-346 -- Section 5.2 use of %31 and %30 for characters 1 and 0 -- open
14:19:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/346
14:20:40 <aphillip> issue-347?
14:20:40 <trackbot> issue-347 -- Section 5.2: DNT-extension excludes should spell out control, space, double quote. -- open
14:20:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/347
14:21:09 <aphillip> issue-348?
14:21:09 <trackbot> issue-348 -- Non-ASCII not permitted in extensions -- open
14:21:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/348
14:22:17 <aphillip> issue-349?
14:22:17 <trackbot> issue-349 -- Section title for 6.2.7 doesn't match earlier description -- open
14:22:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/349
14:22:36 <aphillip> issue-350?
14:22:36 <trackbot> issue-350 -- IRI/non-ASCII not permitted in -- open
14:22:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/350
14:23:03 <aphillip> Section 6.3.2: The grammar doesn't allow %, so the path to the DNT value cannot include non-ASCII characters that are percent encoded (neither can it be an IRI). A tracking resource might be named for some actual resource that uses non-ASCII characters in its name. Not permitting non-ASCII directly or via URI percent escapes limits what can be represented.
14:23:25 <aphillip> richard: add document links too, please
14:23:44 <aphillip> issue-351?
14:23:44 <trackbot> issue-351 -- Section 6.4.2: restriction to "URI-safe characters" -- open
14:23:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/351
14:24:07 <aphillip> Section 6.4.2: Use of "URI-safe characters" (non-ASCII support). Since a site may wish to associate the tracking status with specific resources and since these resources might be named using non-ASCII characters, this appears to limit usage in a non-helpful way?
14:24:21 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/tracking-dnt/
14:24:49 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/tracking-dnt/#request-specific-status-resource
14:27:24 <matial> +1
14:27:26 <aphillip> addison: any objections to making these WG comments?
14:27:30 <aphillip> jck: no objection
14:27:37 <David> no objection
14:27:49 <aphillip> ... be a little cautious about adopting non-ASCII everywhere
14:28:56 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/57
14:29:15 <aphillip> issue-352?
14:29:15 <trackbot> issue-352 -- normalization of custom property names -- open
14:29:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/352
14:29:34 <aphillip> Section 2 says in part:  <quote> Unlike other CSS properties, custom property names are case-sensitive.  EXAMPLE. While both --foo and --FOO are valid, they are distinct properties - using var(--foo) will refer to the first one, while using var(--FOO) will refer to the second. </quote>  Case sensitivity is not the only variation that can apply to text. While citing the case sensitivity is useful, should mention be made of other variations, such as Unicode[CUT]
14:30:32 <aphillip> addison: anne had a good comment on this, but suggest a health warning
14:30:40 <aphillip> issue-353?
14:30:40 <trackbot> issue-353 -- Section 2.1 case sensitivity and normalization -- open
14:30:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/353
14:31:03 <aphillip> addison: any objection to making these WG comments?
14:31:12 <matial> +1
14:31:13 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-css-variables-1-20140506/#defining-variables
14:31:31 <aphillip> Topic: Encoding
14:32:06 <aphillip> addison: we did publish and announce to chairs@
14:32:26 <aphillip> richard: if anyone feels like wrigting some tests
14:32:29 <aphillip> ... this is your big chance
14:32:39 <aphillip> ... looked at some tests we have already
14:32:55 <aphillip> ... focus on recognizing encoding correctly
14:33:01 <aphillip> ... and the characters in each encoding
14:33:06 <aphillip> ... need to tests the api parts
14:33:19 <aphillip> richard: some tests not completely accurate
14:33:30 <aphillip> ... think about format of tests
14:33:38 <aphillip> ... single byte all in a single test
14:33:41 <aphillip> ... some pass, some fail
14:33:46 <aphillip> ... need to separate
14:33:55 <aphillip> ... put into standard format for html test suite
14:34:08 <aphillip> ... and generate results too!
14:34:18 <aphillip> richard: need to talk to people about this
14:34:27 <aphillip> ... robin berjon would be happy to help us start
14:34:42 <aphillip> ... he'll be back in a week or so
14:34:51 <aphillip> richard: in the meantime... please to read and comment
14:35:25 <aphillip> richard: need to respond to all comments, including dispostion
14:36:51 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/25
14:41:32 <aphillip> action: richard: talk to Dom about adding status tracking stuff to tracker for encoding last call purposes
14:41:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-312 - Talk to dom about adding status tracking stuff to tracker for encoding last call purposes [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-06-12].
14:41:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:42:12 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-encoding-20140603/
14:42:22 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/encoding/
14:42:39 <aphillip> Topic: CharMod
14:42:56 <aphillip> Topic: Review Rules
14:43:24 <aphillip> richard: process for raising issues in reviews
14:43:31 <aphillip> ... was more complicated than it needed to be
14:43:38 <aphillip> ... so addison and I simplified some things
14:43:41 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/
14:43:44 <aphillip> ... and we simplied the product lists
14:43:53 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products
14:44:21 <aphillip> richard: if you look at this, you can see we've gotten rid of .prep, .adhoc, etc.
14:44:30 <aphillip> ... moved any issues into named products
14:45:05 <aphillip> ... makes it easier to find anything
14:45:11 <aphillip> richard: rewrote process
14:45:18 <aphillip> ... at the link to follow
14:45:20 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions
14:45:36 <aphillip> richard: much shorter and simpler
14:45:47 <aphillip> ... so now we need people to go review some documents and try it out
14:45:58 <aphillip> ... we have tended previously
14:46:10 <aphillip> ... the initial posts went to public-i18n-core list
14:46:18 <aphillip> ... but please look out for those emails
14:46:24 <aphillip> ... and raise objections
14:46:54 <aphillip> ... and commenters should send addison an agenda+
14:47:04 <aphillip> ... give some time so people have time to read them
14:47:16 <aphillip> ... and we'll discuss in the teleconference
14:47:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:48:19 <aphillip> Topic: CharMod
14:48:39 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/charmod-norm/
14:51:02 <aphillip> addison: would like to go "first public working draft"
14:55:09 <aphillip> richard: pubrules, link checker, etc.
14:55:27 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
14:55:43 <aphillip> richard: no
14:55:51 <aphillip> s/no/uh? no/
14:56:12 <Zakim> -aphillip
14:56:13 <Zakim> -Leandro
14:56:17 <Zakim> -JcK
14:56:20 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
14:56:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:56:20 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
14:56:20 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
14:56:22 <Zakim> -Richard
14:56:48 <Zakim> -matial
14:56:49 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
14:56:49 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.221.aaaa, Richard, matial, Leandro, aphillip, JcK
14:57:37 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, leandro, Mati, David (via IRC)
14:57:54 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:58:32 <aphillip> zakim, bye
14:58:32 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
14:58:36 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
14:58:36 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-i18n-actions.rdf :
14:58:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: talk to susan about tpac arrangements [1]
14:58:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-i18n-irc#T14-09-30
14:58:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: talk to Dom about adding status tracking stuff to tracker for encoding last call purposes [2]
14:58:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/06/05-i18n-irc#T14-41-32