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19:59:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
19:59:07 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
19:59:08 <trackbot> Date: 04 June 2014
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20:00:03 <Zakim> +Vlad
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20:03:15 <ChrisL> trackbot, start telcon
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20:03:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
20:03:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
20:03:20 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
20:03:20 <trackbot> Date: 04 June 2014
20:04:04 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
20:04:04 <Zakim> I notice IA_Fonts()4:00PM has restarted
20:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vlad, [Google], ChrisL
20:04:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisL, kuettel, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, trackbot
20:04:58 <ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL
20:05:09 <ChrisL> Vlad: we have confirmation of hosting from atypi
20:05:28 <ChrisL> Vlad: one issue remaining on woff2
20:05:47 <ChrisL> ... any time constrainst on fpwd to lc?
20:06:06 <ChrisL> ChrisL: we can move to LC as soon as we have no issues
20:06:18 <ChrisL> Vlad: so we should plan for conformance testing
20:06:37 <ChrisL> Vlad: fpwd triggers patent exclusion opportunity
20:07:44 <ChrisL> ChrisL: (explains exclusion periods and patent disclosure)
20:08:41 <ChrisL> Vlad: patent from monotype is unlimited, irrevocable and broader in scope than woff or that w3c requires
20:09:43 <ChrisL> woff2 exclusion is until until 05 October 2014
20:09:50 <ChrisL> topic: normalize size
20:10:19 <ChrisL> Vlad: wanted to remove the suggested buffer size. raph has an opinion. raph will make it more definitive
20:10:31 <ChrisL> kuettel: will talk to raph about this
20:10:36 <ChrisL> topic: f2f
20:10:54 <ChrisL> Vlad: Tues 15 Sept, Barcelona
20:11:46 <ChrisL> topic: test plan
20:12:07 <ChrisL> ChrisL: (explains usual testing methos with defined testable assertions)
20:12:21 <ChrisL> action: vlad to mark up woff2 testable assertions
20:12:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-131 - Mark up woff2 testable assertions [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2014-06-11].
20:12:33 <ChrisL> action-131?
20:12:33 <trackbot> action-131 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Mark up woff2 testable assertions -- due 2014-06-11 -- OPEN
20:12:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/131
20:12:52 <ChrisL> action-130?
20:12:52 <trackbot> action-130 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to - contact the atypi organizers and ask if they can host the meeting for ~12 people on sep. 16 -- due 2014-06-04 -- OPEN
20:12:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/130
20:13:00 <ChrisL> close action-130
20:13:00 <trackbot> Closed action-130.
20:14:24 <ChrisL> ChrisL: finding testable assertions helps make a crisp spec and gets rid of wooly, unclear phrases
20:14:53 <ChrisL> Vlad: its easier when there is soething concrete to review
20:14:57 <ChrisL> kuettel: agreed
20:15:22 <ChrisL> kuettel: how far into testing would we be by the f2f
20:15:32 <ChrisL> Vlad: finalized test plan
20:15:47 <ChrisL> .. then deciding who develops which test
20:16:03 <ChrisL> kuettel: and good for us all to be there in person
20:16:33 <ChrisL> Vlad: in woff1 there was a lot of work, tal Leming was super helpful doing that. May be able to reuse some of that here
20:16:43 <ChrisL> s/tal/Tal
20:17:25 <ChrisL> kuettel: we are testing woff2 in production. In chrome 36 10% of fonts are in woff2 now
20:18:26 <ChrisL> Vlad: we are super efficient and emptied the agenda
20:19:01 <ChrisL> kuettel: jkew said that he was excited to start implementing woff2 in firefox
20:19:24 <ChrisL> kuettel: data from real world usage would be very helpful here
20:20:21 <ChrisL> Vlad: leonardo at mpeg asked if w3c is doing new font compression, why not also use it in mpeg
20:20:48 <ChrisL> .. freindly enquiry, would give lots of technical review on brotli
20:21:49 <ChrisL> kuettel: did reach out internally, compression team was happy with progress and wanted to continue as is with w3c and ietf, then look at iso afterwards
20:22:50 <ChrisL> Vlad: iso standardization has benefit of technical review and also a solid status wrt an IETF RFC
20:23:49 <ChrisL> action-126?
20:23:49 <trackbot> action-126 -- David Kuettel to Check publication of security review -- due 2014-01-15 -- OPEN
20:23:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/126
20:24:16 <ChrisL> kuettel: kenji gave an update on that a while ago. went through a lot of fuzz testing, fixed the issues
20:24:46 <ChrisL> ChrisL: its more to show the work has been done
20:25:05 <ChrisL> topic: rfc for brotli
20:25:13 <ChrisL> Vlad: has internet draft been published?
20:26:02 <ChrisL> http://www.spinics.net/lists/ietf-ann/msg85903.html
20:26:07 <ChrisL> draft -01
20:26:26 <ChrisL> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-alakuijala-brotli-01
20:26:38 <ChrisL> dated May 16
20:27:24 <ChrisL> ChrisL: suspect woff2 links to -00 not -01?
20:27:36 <ChrisL> Vlad: no, its already 01
20:27:51 <ChrisL> Vlad: link text needs updating
20:28:36 <ChrisL> Vlad: it needs to move to informational RFC, not a draft which is only 6 months lifespan
20:28:54 <ChrisL> kuettel: having this as an RFC would be a good goal for the f2f meeting
20:29:17 <ChrisL> ChrisL: sounds like a great goal
20:29:49 <ChrisL> action: kuettel to track progress of brotli ID to RFC
20:29:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-132 - Track progress of brotli id to rfc [on David Kuettel - due 2014-06-11].
20:30:50 <ChrisL> action-132?
20:30:50 <trackbot> action-132 -- David Kuettel to Track progress of brotli id to rfc -- due 2014-06-11 -- OPEN
20:30:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/132
20:31:36 <ChrisL> updated due date to 2014-09-10
20:31:51 <ChrisL> Vlad: next meeting depends on the size issue
20:32:18 <ChrisL> .. so postpone to week after, depending on response
20:32:39 <ChrisL> kuettel: time frees up after Google.io
20:33:09 <ChrisL> (adjourned)
20:33:19 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
20:33:19 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Vlad, [Google], ChrisL
20:33:23 <Zakim> -ChrisL
20:33:25 <Zakim> -Vlad
20:33:30 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
20:33:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/04-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
20:33:32 <Zakim> -[Google]
20:33:33 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()4:00PM has ended
20:33:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Vlad, [Google], ChrisL