12:57:35 RRSAgent has joined #dacg 12:57:35 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/06/04-dacg-irc 12:58:03 zakim, this will be dacg 12:58:03 ok, PhilA_; I see DATA_DACG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes 13:00:34 davidwood has joined #dacg 13:02:07 DATA_DACG()9:00AM has now started 13:02:16 + +44.207.346.aaaa 13:02:24 +[IPcaller] 13:02:28 JeniT has joined #dacg 13:02:31 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:02:31 +PhilA; got it 13:02:42 zakim, who is here? 13:02:44 On the phone I see danbri, PhilA 13:02:44 On IRC I see JeniT, davidwood, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, danbri, ericP 13:02:52 ivan has joined #dacg 13:03:08 zakim, code? 13:03:08 the conference code is 3224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan 13:03:16 Meeting: DACG Monthly 13:03:17 + +1.516.944.aabb 13:03:20 chair: Phila 13:03:28 +[IPcaller] 13:03:39 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/data/CG/wiki/Telecon:2014.06.04 13:03:48 scribe: ... Now there's a question 13:03:49 adler1 has joined #DACG 13:03:59 +Arnaud 13:04:46 +ivan 13:04:52 scribe: adler1 13:04:54 + +1.202.248.aacc 13:05:16 zakim, aacc is Tom 13:05:16 +Tom; got it 13:05:23 zakim, who is here? 13:05:23 On the phone I see danbri, PhilA, +1.516.944.aabb, JeniT, Arnaud, ivan, Tom 13:05:25 On IRC I see adler1, ivan, JeniT, davidwood, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, danbri, ericP 13:05:33 zakim, aabb is adler1 13:05:33 +adler1; got it 13:05:44 Arnaud has joined #dacg 13:06:14 PhilA: round of how the groups are going 13:06:17 topic: WG updates 13:07:24 danbri: had a WG meeting in London. Divided up work. we haven't had group members jump in to work through the details 13:07:27 tbaker has joined #dacg 13:08:05 zakim, tbaker is Tom 13:08:05 sorry, tbaker, I do not recognize a party named 'tbaker' 13:08:13 zakim, Tom is tbaker 13:08:13 +tbaker; got it 13:08:19 arnaud: the working group has decided to go to CR and we've been trying to have a call to go to CR and ask for extra 6 months extension 13:09:07 ... this thing called paging that we want to continue working on and not to hold back the main spec we work on that separately 13:09:41 ... we are working on a patch format for RDF 13:10:02 ... the rec is to use patch but there is no standard patch format for RDF so we are developing one 13:10:20 scribe: PhilA 13:10:34 adler1: We're getting ready to published our UCR at FPWD 13:10:42 PhilA: Probably Tuesday 13:10:52 adler1: We're going through pub steps 13:11:02 ... we have sub groups looking at vocabs 13:11:10 ... we'll have more use cases to add in 13:11:21 ... need to have more connectivity between the use cases. Will need refining 13:11:28 ... some members are organising sub groups 13:11:35 ... focussing on quality and gran 13:11:43 adler1: Team had gelled well 13:12:00 scribe:ad 13:12:06 scribe: adler1 13:12:35 PhilA: things are moving on 13:12:40 ... RDF validation 13:12:40 topic: RDF Validation 13:12:55 .... we had a workshop at MIT 13:13:13 .... we are having some difficulty getting sufficient member support 13:13:17 +1 13:13:18 10-11 September 2013 http://www.w3.org/2012/12/rdf-val/ 13:13:49 ... there is a second member submission going through the process 13:13:55 ... should be published very soon 13:13:58 (revision to http://www.w3.org/Submission/2014/01/ ?) 13:14:09 ... then we will draft a charter 13:14:27 Arnaud: I'm not happy with how things are going 13:14:39 ... the only way to judge member support is to put a proposal forward 13:14:55 ... process is develop charter and put it before the AC 13:15:12 PhilA: pushing for charter to be put forward 13:15:38 Arnaud: do we have a public mailing list? 13:15:41 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-shapes/ 13:15:45 ... people are already using this stuff 13:15:46 'we do have' 13:15:51 thanks 13:16:22 ... we should have an actual working group launch 13:16:41 q+ to ask whether the name is officially still "Resource Shape" and not "Data Shape" 13:16:48 PhilA: we will get it going in the next weeks 13:16:49 ack tbaker 13:16:50 tbaker, you wanted to ask whether the name is officially still "Resource Shape" and not "Data Shape" 13:16:52 -JeniT 13:17:14 +[IPcaller] 13:17:16 tbaker: renaming datashape 13:17:34 ok - thank you! 13:17:36 PhilA: we are aware and try to fix it 13:18:04 topic: geospatial 13:18:12 PhilA: we are making a lot of progress 13:18:13 Draft report http://www.w3.org/2014/03/lgd/report 13:18:27 ... workshop back in march report 13:18:39 Draft charter http://www.w3.org/2014/05/geo-charter 13:18:44 ... end result is a draft charter 13:18:50 Guus has joined #dacg 13:19:08 ... we are in active neg to make joint wg 13:19:26 ... should be a message to membership on friday 13:20:06 ... I'm hoping google will be in 13:20:15 ... big geospatial conference in denmark 13:20:27 ... please do not tweet until friday afternoon 13:21:34 ... what is the boundary between geospatial wg and other LD groups 13:21:55 ... and geolocation web api wg 13:22:03 ... and front end web developers 13:22:14 ... how to get it into people's browsers 13:24:01 ... standards body politics 13:24:25 ... standards have less value if no one uses them 13:26:08 adler1: You may wish to take a different approach than the norm. You might get participation from some, but you may miss the huge vibrant companies (Leaflet etc.) 13:26:27 ... without their awareness you'll have limited impact 13:26:37 ... may need a different approach 13:26:52 geospatial is such a huge/vibrant segment 13:27:48 ... that is why we are working with OGC 13:28:12 topic: TPAC 13:28:30 ... CSV, DWBP, RDF Validation are meeting there 13:30:05 ... is anyone else planning anything else in Santa Clara? 13:30:05 (re geospatial, it would be good to do a proper obituary on the POI WG work to avoid making same mistakes) 13:30:05 ... we might organize side events 13:30:05 ... anyone? 13:30:06 adler1: Describes some of the webinars held by DWBP, planning to organise a f2f meeting with open data publishers in Santa Clara 13:30:13 ... talking to City of Palo Alto etc 13:30:20 ... hoping they'll host us 13:31:34 ... bring in folk from oakland, San Jose etc 13:31:34 ... bring in some ideas from them 13:31:34 ... hoping to reach out to Code for America too 13:31:34 ... want to socialise with the hacker community 13:31:34 ... so hoping they can host something too 13:36:01 PhilA: lots of talks at events 13:36:16 ... keynote at semtech 13:36:28 ... need really cool stuff to say 13:36:30 ... breadth of successes 13:36:54 ... please point me to success stories 13:37:11 ... solid business cases 13:37:18 ... need help with that 13:37:27 what is the working title of your keynote? 13:41:25 capture utilization rates. how widely RDF is being used 13:43:27 ... should we build services that use linked data and talk about how they are operated 13:43:35 ... should we give guidance 13:43:50 http://semtechbizsj2014.semanticweb.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=82&proposalid=6667 - Phil's keynote 13:44:18 rrsagent, make logs public 13:45:18 adler1: W3C's audience is highly specialised. Need to make it easier for everyone. Facilitate more understanding, speed adoption rates 13:45:31 ... so work product isn't a document... 13:46:11 adler1: Resources is an issue. But maybe work with implementation examples, services etc. 13:47:04 PhilA: allowing non specialists to realize the benefits 13:48:01 ... any other comments 13:48:11 schluss 13:48:15 sounds similar to https://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/ 13:48:31 next meeting is july 16 13:49:35 thanks 13:49:41 -JeniT 13:49:42 -ivan 13:49:43 -danbri 13:49:44 -Arnaud 13:49:44 -adler1 13:49:52 -tbaker 13:49:53 DATA_DACG()9:00AM has ended 13:49:53 Attendees were +44.207.346.aaaa, danbri, PhilA, +1.516.944.aabb, JeniT, Arnaud, ivan, +1.202.248.aacc, adler1, tbaker 13:50:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:50:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/04-dacg-minutes.html PhilA 13:51:41 regrets+ Dave 13:52:12 rrsagent, generate minutes 13:52:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/04-dacg-minutes.html PhilA 13:52:29 davidwood has joined #dacg 13:55:13 sorry i missed. session just ended 13:56:15 loser 14:00:29 no, slacker:-) 14:09:15 No worse than me :) 14:30:20 danbri has joined #dacg 14:44:31 davidwood has joined #dacg 14:55:01 ivan has joined #dacg 15:06:19 JeniT has joined #dacg 15:11:41 ivan has left #dacg 15:35:28 Zakim has left #dacg 16:20:51 davidwood has joined #dacg 17:14:19 Arnaud has joined #dacg 17:28:44 davidwood has joined #dacg