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14:49:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:49:50 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:49:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:49:51 <trackbot> Date: 03 June 2014
14:49:59 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
14:49:59 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:50:00 <Zakim> 2. Survey: May 20 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ [from Joshue108]
14:50:00 <Zakim> 4. Review of open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/open [from Joshue108]
14:50:00 <Zakim> 6. SUrvey: May 27, 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/results [from AWK]
14:50:00 <Zakim> 8. Brief update on progress regarding the review of EO accessibility tutorials. [from AWK]
14:50:13 <Joshue> zakim, clear agenda
14:50:14 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:50:22 <Joshue> agenda+ Survey: (#3 only) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/13May2014/results#xautoplay
14:52:36 <Joshue> zakim, clear agenda
14:52:36 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:52:57 <Joshue> agenda+ Updated LC-2895 Response: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/EOLC2895/
14:53:08 <Joshue> agenda+ Review of accessibility tutorials - call for interest
14:53:08 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/EOTutorials_review#Overview_of_Issues
14:53:19 <Joshue> agenda+ Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/
14:53:36 <Joshue> agenda+ Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/
14:53:54 <Joshue> agenda+ Continuation of surveys:  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4)
14:54:02 <Joshue> agenda+ https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items)
14:54:12 <Joshue> Scribe list: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
14:54:15 <Joshue> Chair: Joshue
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14:58:09 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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14:59:58 <AWK> Zakim, what meeting is this?
14:59:58 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AWK.
15:00:08 <AWK> Trackbot, start meeting
15:00:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:00:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
15:00:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM already started
15:00:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:00:13 <trackbot> Date: 03 June 2014
15:00:16 <Zakim> +AWK
15:00:20 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
15:00:20 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
15:00:21 <Zakim> 1. Updated LC-2895 Response: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/EOLC2895/ [from Joshue]
15:00:21 <Zakim> 2. Review of accessibility tutorials - call for interest [from Joshue]
15:00:21 <Zakim> 3. Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/ [from Joshue]
15:00:21 <Zakim> 4. Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/ [from Joshue]
15:00:21 <Zakim> 5. Continuation of surveys:  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4) [from Joshue]
15:00:22 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcallers] is Joshue
15:00:24 <Zakim> 6. https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items) [from Joshue]
15:00:24 <Zakim> sorry, Joshue, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcallers]'
15:00:28 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
15:00:28 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:00:49 <AWK> Regrets+ Wilco, Bruce
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15:01:06 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, kathleen, Sailesh_Panchang, Joshue, AWK
15:01:40 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
15:02:01 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:02:01 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
15:02:03 <Zakim> 1. Updated LC-2895 Response: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/EOLC2895/ [from Joshue]
15:02:03 <Zakim> 2. Review of accessibility tutorials - call for interest [from Joshue]
15:02:03 <Zakim> 3. Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/ [from Joshue]
15:02:04 <Zakim> 4. Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/ [from Joshue]
15:02:04 <Zakim> 5. Continuation of surveys:  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4) [from Joshue]
15:02:04 <Zakim> 6. https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items) [from Joshue]
15:02:50 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, kathleen, Sailesh_Panchang, Joshue, AWK, Kathy_Wahlbin
15:02:52 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
15:04:37 <Joshue> zakim, next item
15:04:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Updated LC-2895 Response: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/EOLC2895/" taken up [from Joshue]
15:04:50 <AWK> Scribe page updated.
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15:05:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:05:48 <David> AWK new response is in there now
15:05:54 <Zakim> +??P38
15:05:59 <Loretta> zakim, ipcaller is Loretta
15:05:59 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
15:06:02 <David> Seems like broad consensus
15:06:18 <Zakim> +jon_avila
15:06:27 <MichaelC_> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014AprJun/0190.html
15:06:46 <AWK> I updated LC-2895 per Michael's comment
15:07:34 <David> MC open alert issue regarding where in the document the paragraph
15:07:48 <AWK> q+
15:07:51 <David> should be put.
15:08:10 <David> MC can close the loop on the wording change.
15:08:21 <David> if everyone accepts
15:08:38 <Joshue> ack awk
15:08:42 <David> or we can wait to dangling peice
15:09:27 <David> AWk want to close this issue because of the way our tool works for tracking comments... the further back we go the more we lose things.
15:10:24 <David> AWK group said it makes sense in this location, EO accepted the location, and they want to talk about further places the paragraph should be
15:11:31 <David> AWK we should accept this comment, and let any further EO issues be separate.
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15:12:15 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
15:12:19 <David> RESOLUTION:Accept 2895
15:12:37 <Joshue> zakim, next item
15:12:37 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/" taken up [from Joshue]
15:12:56 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open
15:13:28 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/8
15:13:41 <David> TOPIC: Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/"
15:15:04 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/9
15:15:05 <David> Resolution: Close action 8
15:15:19 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:15:19 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:15:28 <David> RESOLUTION: Close action 8
15:15:40 <MichaelC> q+ to say I closed some actions by making pull requests; those will need review and processing
15:15:55 <David> AWK: Let's find out if people have gone through their actions.
15:16:02 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/open
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15:16:11 <David> q+
15:16:17 <jon_avila> yes
15:16:17 <MichaelC> oops, http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open
15:16:28 <Joshue> ack Mich
15:16:28 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say I closed some actions by making pull requests; those will need review and processing
15:17:14 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
15:17:19 <David> MC I closed my items and made pull requests
15:17:38 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:18:33 <MichaelC> I closed actions by creating pull requests 27 and 28 https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/27 https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/28 and
15:18:47 <MichaelC> they include references to the actions I closed
15:18:53 <David> AWK: we sked everyone to check action items and if completed then just close them... ask about controversial ones
15:19:10 <David> s/sked/asked
15:20:12 <David> AWK: actions on people no longer on WG, editors will go through and close some, and move some to others etc... some OBE
15:20:38 <Joshue> ack davi
15:21:07 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:21:07 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:21:08 <Zakim> 3. Review open action items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/ [from Joshue]
15:21:08 <Zakim> 4. Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/ [from Joshue]
15:21:08 <Zakim> 5. Continuation of surveys:  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4) [from Joshue]
15:21:08 <Zakim> 6. https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items) [from Joshue]
15:22:02 <David> David: I understand that we can close actions as soon as we take the action such as write the technique... and notify chairs
15:22:11 <Joshue> zakim, next item
15:22:11 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/" taken up [from Joshue]
15:22:38 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/open
15:22:54 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/3
15:23:33 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/9
15:24:19 <David> Josh: what should we do about plain text techniques
15:25:13 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/9
15:25:26 <David> James: Probably Peter Korn, was more interested in plain text than me
15:25:33 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/text.html
15:25:44 <David> q+
15:26:07 <jon_avila> I think they are still relevant. +1 to James
15:26:24 <David> James: Easy to script text if it is set up as we suggest
15:27:07 <Joshue> ack david
15:27:13 <AWK> q+
15:27:30 <jamesn> q+ to say they are not historical
15:28:06 <Joshue> ack awk
15:28:25 <David> David: Think we should keep it in.
15:28:47 <David> AWK: If we remove them we are not forbidding them.
15:29:28 <David> AWK: hard to say there are headings that can be supported in text
15:29:29 <Joshue> ack james
15:29:29 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say they are not historical
15:30:19 <David> James: Not just historical... still places where text is the best way to input/output... one group wants to produce new plain text technoqies
15:30:53 <David> RESOLUTION: Close Issue 9  we will keep plain text technoques
15:31:10 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/11 SCR2 and SCR20 seem to overlap, consider merging
15:31:24 <David> TOPIC: Issue 11
15:31:30 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20110621/2570
15:31:36 <AWK> q+
15:31:40 <Joshue> ack awk
15:31:51 <David> s/technoques/techniques
15:31:54 <David> s/technoques/techniques
15:32:52 <David> ACTION: Kathleen to look into Issue 11
15:32:52 <trackbot> 'Kathleen' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., spiderwebwoman, kwahlbin).
15:32:58 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/13
15:33:13 <Joshue> F62 may need to be modified to encompass html4/5
15:33:28 <AWK> ACTION spiderwebwoman to to look into Issue-11
15:33:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-259 - To look into issue-11 [on Kathleen Anderson - due 2014-06-10].
15:33:39 <David> ACTION: spiderwebwoman to look into Issue 11  Kathleen
15:33:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-260 - Look into issue 11  kathleen [on Kathleen Anderson - due 2014-06-10].
15:34:14 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2861
15:35:57 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:35:57 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:36:35 <kathleen> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item06
15:37:11 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/14
15:37:29 <David> TOPIC: ISSUE 14
15:37:47 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/15
15:37:55 <Joshue>  Should h90 reference 1.3.1 like aria2 does?
15:39:24 <jamesn> ISSUE-15?
15:39:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-15 -- Should h90 reference 1.3.1 like aria2 does? -- open
15:39:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/15
15:39:29 <David> ACTION: KWalbin to look into ISSUE H-15
15:39:29 <trackbot> Error finding 'KWalbin'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
15:39:35 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:39:35 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
15:39:35 <jon_avila> q+
15:39:36 <Zakim> 4. Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/ [from Joshue]
15:39:36 <Zakim> 5. Continuation of surveys:  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4) [from Joshue]
15:39:36 <Zakim> 6. https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items) [from Joshue]
15:39:40 <Joshue> ack jon
15:40:35 <David> JON: Should we question mapping.
15:40:47 <Joshue> TOPIC: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/EOTutorials_review#Overview_of_Issues
15:40:52 <jon_avila> q-
15:41:20 <David> ACTION: Kathy and Non_avila to look into ISSUE-15
15:41:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-261 - And non_avila to look into issue-15 [on Kathleen Wahlbin - due 2014-06-10].
15:41:30 <Joshue> TOPIC: EO Tutorials Review
15:41:32 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/EOTutorials_review#Overview_of_Issues
15:42:00 <David> s/non_avila/jon_avila
15:42:23 <David> TOOIC: EO Tutorials review
15:42:40 <David> TOPIC: EO Tutorials review
15:42:49 <Joshue> s/TOOIC:/
15:43:23 <David> AWK: We need to morph our individual comments into consensus
15:44:00 <David> JOSH: i've gone through mine for importance
15:46:12 <Joshue> Note, Loretta and David did add [BEFORE PUB] already to their comments, as have AWK and Josh
15:46:37 <Loretta> q+
15:47:02 <Joshue> ack lor
15:48:03 <David> Loretta: not on critical path, for the 2 tier
15:49:38 <David> Removing thead information
15:50:54 <David> table caption summary... josh summary is loaded
15:54:06 <Loretta> q+
15:54:52 <Joshue> ack lor
15:56:36 <David> David: Would like more advance notice so we are not put in a position of having to prioritize
15:57:45 <David> AWK: Have noted advice that it is not a show stopper but needed and will provide it at same time as show stopper feedback
15:57:47 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:57:47 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:04:44 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:04:47 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:04:47 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:05:49 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
16:05:50 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
16:05:50 <Zakim> 4. Review open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/ [from Joshue]
16:05:50 <Zakim> 5. Continuation of surveys:  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/ (#3 and #4) [from Joshue]
16:05:50 <Zakim> 6. https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items) [from Joshue]
16:06:04 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 6
16:06:04 <Zakim> agendum 6. "https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/ (all 4 items)" taken up [from Joshue]
16:06:06 <David> Finished going through our comments to EO completed https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/EOTutorials_review#Overview_of_Issues
16:06:47 <David> TOPIC 2908
16:06:57 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140306/2908
16:07:41 <David> RESOLUTION: Accept 2908 as proposed
16:07:47 <Joshue> LC-2869: Table failure modification
16:08:04 <David> TOPIC: LC-2869: Table failure modification
16:09:45 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F91.html
16:10:16 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:10:16 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:11:44 <David> AWK: David and I spoke about this issue of scope
16:12:49 <David> MC headers marked with th, sope attr on th cells when headers on more than the first row
16:13:02 <David> s/sope/scope
16:13:04 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
16:13:04 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:13:16 <Joshue> ack me
16:14:52 <jon_avila> JAWS has supported scope for a long time.  Window-Eyes didn't until a few years ago.
16:15:18 <Joshue> I still think of it as new, probably showing age
16:17:46 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2869
16:18:11 <David> RESOLUTION: ACCEPT LC-2869 as amended
16:18:14 <Joshue> Comment LC-2854: Should we remove ACRONYM examples and discussion
16:18:30 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2854
16:18:51 <David> 	RESOLUTION: ACCEPT LC-2854 as amended
16:19:10 <Joshue> ACTION: Michael Cooper to search for references to acronym in other techniques as well.
16:19:11 <trackbot> 'Michael' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., cooper, melledge).
16:19:25 <David> ACTION: Michael to search documents for instance of ACRONYM and change to ABBR
16:19:25 <trackbot> 'Michael' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., cooper, melledge).
16:19:40 <Joshue> ACTION: MichaelC to search for references to acronym in other techniques as well.
16:19:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-262 - Search for references to acronym in other techniques as well. [on Michael Cooper - due 2014-06-10].
16:20:28 <Joshue> LC-2921: Headings for link context
16:20:34 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140306/2921
16:20:38 <David> TOPIC LC2921
16:22:16 <David> AWK Sailesh is pointing that h80 is advisory.
16:23:43 <David> AWK: and he is saying remove heading mention
16:25:35 <David> Loretta: the reason headings were there on hotel sites etc... with lots of ambiguous links
16:25:38 <Joshue> +q
16:25:46 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/navigation-mechanisms-refs.html
16:26:26 <Joshue> ack me
16:26:45 <David> AWK: We can at end of paragraph say... On addition authors may choose to related heading for context using aria.
16:27:04 <David> s/On/In
16:27:22 <David> s/related/relate
16:27:56 <MichaelC> action-262: see https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2705_2014/results#xcomm1 for context
16:27:56 <trackbot> Notes added to action-262 Search for references to acronym in other techniques as well..
16:28:32 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140306/2921
16:29:57 <David> RESOLUTION: LC 2921 accepted as amended
16:30:28 <AWK> #5 remains on this survey
16:30:40 <Zakim> -kathleen
16:30:44 <Zakim> -jon_avila
16:30:45 <Zakim> -AWK
16:30:46 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:30:47 <Zakim> -Sailesh_Panchang
16:30:47 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
16:30:48 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:30:48 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:30:53 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:30:54 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:33:17 <Zakim> -Loretta
16:33:19 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended
16:33:19 <Zakim> Attendees were David_MacDonald, kathleen, Sailesh_Panchang, AWK, Joshue, Kathy_Wahlbin, Michael_Cooper, Loretta, jon_avila, James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:38:53 <Sailesh> Sailesh has left #wai-wcag
16:43:05 <David> Zakim, list attendees if everyone has not left
16:43:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list attendees if everyone has not left', David
16:43:18 <David> Zakim, list attendees
16:43:18 <Zakim> sorry, David, I don't know what conference this is
16:43:50 <David> rrsagent, make log public
16:44:02 <David> rrsagent, make minutes
16:44:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html David