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13:56:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
13:56:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
13:56:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:56:39 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2014
13:57:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:57:51 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me
13:57:51 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it
13:57:58 <pchampin> zakim, who is here?
13:57:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P8, codyburleson
13:58:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, codyburleson, BartvanLeeuwen, pchampin, nmihindu, TallTed, deiu, stevebattle11110, Arnaud, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP
13:58:04 <pchampin> zakim, ??P8 is me
13:58:04 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
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13:58:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P11 is me
13:58:30 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
13:58:42 <Zakim> +Sandro
13:59:16 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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14:01:09 <deiu> Zakim, ??P2 is me
14:01:09 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
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14:01:15 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
14:01:15 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
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14:03:47 <deiu> o/
14:03:48 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
14:03:53 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
14:03:54 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
14:04:09 <deiu> I can scribe (but might have to go afk for a bit)
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14:05:20 <sergio> Zakim, +43.660.274.aaaa is me
14:05:20 <Zakim> +sergio; got it
14:06:32 <sergio> TOPIC: minutes from last meeting
14:06:41 <deiu> I looked, they seem ok
14:06:49 <sergio> Scribe: sergio
14:07:01 <TallTed> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-05-19
14:07:25 <sergio> Arnaud: can you set me as scribe, please?
14:07:41 <TallTed> scribenick: sergio
14:08:04 <sergio> Topic: minutes from last meeting
14:09:12 <Zakim> +??P24
14:09:24 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P24 is me
14:09:24 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
14:09:28 <sergio> Tipic: open actions and issues
14:09:31 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
14:09:32 <Zakim> +ericP
14:09:32 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
14:09:34 <sergio> Topic: open actions and issues
14:10:24 <sergio> ACTION-134: [EDITOR] Update spec to reflect resolution 2/3.1 closing Issue-93 by adding text to BP&G
14:10:24 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-134 [EDITOR] Update spec to reflect resolution 2/3.1 closing Issue-93 by adding text to BP&G.
14:10:43 <Zakim> + +1.857.928.aabb
14:10:55 <betehess> Zakim, aabb is Alexandre
14:10:55 <Zakim> +Alexandre; got it
14:12:43 <sergio> ISSUE-93: Accept and Auth
14:12:43 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-93 Accept and Auth.
14:12:57 <sergio> Arnaud: summarizes the issue
14:13:27 <sergio> Arnaud: I can't remember what Henry wanted to arise
14:13:42 <sergio> (Henry is not today in the call)
14:13:49 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:13:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see pchampin, codyburleson, BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, Arnaud, Roger, deiu (muted), TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, nmihindu (muted), ericP, Alexandre
14:14:44 <sergio> action 138:
14:14:45 <sergio> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/138
14:14:56 <sergio> who is talking?
14:15:45 <sergio> sandro: we don't need it anymore
14:16:21 <sergio> sandro: I will send an email about action 138
14:17:29 <sergio> Tipic: status update
14:17:33 <sergio> Topic: status update
14:17:42 <sergio> subsubtopic: ldp spec
14:18:04 <sergio> Arnaud: any updates for moving to CR?
14:19:19 <sergio> ericP: we will next a a week or two
14:19:36 <sergio> Arnaud: I hope we have not to wait anymore
14:19:53 <sergio> Arnaud: we are officially expired
14:20:14 <sergio> Arnaud: we can request a 6 month extension to get it done
14:20:23 <sergio> Arnaud: hopefully it will happen this week
14:21:20 <sergio> ericP: we'll need some staff member for it
14:21:29 <sergio> ericP: sandro or myself
14:21:57 <sergio> subsubtopic: test suite
14:22:11 <sergio> Arnaud: Steve is not here, but he reported by email about the progress
14:24:18 <sergio> sergio: current test suite, at github, is healthy evolving
14:24:34 <sergio> Arnaud: we'll need a way to assert the actual status of a test
14:25:19 <sergio> sergio: all tests are annotated in that way
14:26:09 <sergio> Arnaud: front pages does not look updated
14:26:18 <nmihindu> not yet, but we will do that soon
14:26:36 <sergio> Arnaud: nmihindu have you tried the test suite against ldp4j?
14:26:55 <sergio> Arnaud: it'd be good to start to get feedback from people
14:27:29 <sergio> deiu: I noticed there were some inconsistencies with several tests. Will send an email to sergio or SteveS.
14:27:50 <sergio> Arnaud: is it possible to have a test suite by Monday?
14:28:11 <sergio> Arnaud: does not mean we can't keep working
14:28:39 <sergio> Arnaud: but we can point to it when publishing the spec
14:28:50 <sergio> subsubtopic: access control
14:29:17 <sergio> Arnaud: Ashok has transformed the wiki page to a spec-like format
14:29:35 <sergio> Ashok: I sent it to the mailing list, not yet at mercurial
14:30:01 <deiu> Zakim, who's talking?
14:30:13 <Zakim> deiu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Roger (44%), TallTed (71%), Arnaud (45%), Ashok_Malhotra (8%), ericP (27%)
14:30:18 <sergio> TallTed: I have not yet worked on it
14:30:24 <Zakim> +Sandro.a
14:30:26 <sergio> Arnaud: it'd be cool to have something this week
14:30:30 <Zakim> -Sandro
14:31:08 <sergio> Arnaud: it'd be good to have it as note
14:31:12 <TallTed> Zakim, mute roger
14:31:12 <Zakim> Roger should now be muted
14:31:23 <sergio> Arnaud: as soon as the document is something useful
14:31:27 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute roger
14:31:27 <Zakim> Roger should no longer be muted
14:31:35 <TallTed> Zakim, who's speaking?
14:31:45 <Zakim> TallTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (25%), Arnaud (55%), Ashok_Malhotra (15%), ericP (25%)
14:31:52 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
14:31:52 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
14:31:57 <sergio> Arnaud: everybody is welcome to read the document and provide feedback
14:32:01 <deiu> Zakim, mute ericP
14:32:01 <Zakim> ericP should now be muted
14:32:02 <sergio> subsubtopic: BP
14:32:16 <sergio> Arnaud: my understanding is taht the document is almost ready
14:32:35 <Arnaud> cody
14:33:02 <sergio> codyburleson: that's right, I'm awaiting for more feedback (Henry, nmihindu, etc)
14:33:29 <sergio> Arnaud: we can't wait more, the document has been stable for quite a while, so I think we should publish this document
14:34:02 <sergio> Ashok: has anyone else read this?
14:34:05 <nmihindu> yes, Miguel and I did reviews
14:34:06 <deiu> I did
14:34:16 <sergio> codyburleson: I believe so
14:34:26 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Publish Best Practices & Guidelines document as a WG Note
14:34:31 <codyburleson> +1
14:34:35 <sergio> +1
14:34:40 <deiu> +1
14:34:41 <nmihindu> +1
14:34:46 <pchampin> +1
14:35:02 <sergio> RESOLVED: Publish Best Practices & Guidelines document as a WG Note
14:35:06 <roger> +1
14:35:30 <TallTed> +1
14:35:51 <sergio> Arnaud: that means we have to go to a step with master team to actually publish the document
14:36:18 <sergio> subsubtopic: ldp primer
14:36:36 <sergio> Arnaud: henry has provided feedback, creating his own branch of the document
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14:38:30 <sergio> Arnaud: there is issue with line breaks to have a clean view of the chnages
14:39:13 <sergio> Arnaud: we have some feedback, are we going to evolve this document in the next week?
14:39:13 <nmihindu> Henry's version. Most of things he added as ISSUE notes. They will be easier to process https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/1e5e2ed2fc19/ldp-primer/ldp-primer.html
14:39:30 <Arnaud> roger
14:39:44 <nmihindu> I will be out later next week, we might be able to do but I prefer two weeks if possible
14:39:53 <sergio> roger: what's the feeling of other people? nmihindu, etc
14:40:16 <sergio> Arnaud: we really need to get this before two weeks
14:40:36 <sergio> Arnaud: this things have been open for so long...
14:40:53 <nmihindu> Roger and I can handle John's comments today and tomorrow. But we will have to wait for Henry's comments
14:41:01 <sergio> roger: I'll try this week, and let's decide next Monday
14:41:25 <sergio> subsubtopic: 209 status
14:41:42 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute ericP
14:41:42 <Zakim> ericP should no longer be muted
14:41:42 <sergio> Arnaud: actual status?
14:41:48 <betehess> GET /erciP
14:41:49 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
14:41:49 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
14:41:50 <betehess> HTTP 303
14:41:56 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
14:41:56 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
14:42:31 <sergio> ericP: I have a local version with quite some updates, that I have to push out
14:42:43 <sergio> ericP: chances are 50-50
14:44:44 <sergio> Arnaud: I do not know the status at ietf
14:45:57 <sergio> ericP: I'll send an email to find out what's the status there
14:46:41 <sergio> ericP: we should figure out if we agree with sandro
14:47:34 <sergio> ericP: or we can ignore sandro and proceed alone
14:47:53 <sergio> ericP: http 2.0 sounds great, but we need something now
14:48:33 <sergio> Ashok: there was other arguments
14:49:36 <sergio> subsubtopic: paging
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14:50:03 <sergio> Arnaud: John is not here, but he reported some udated since the last f2f meeting
14:50:35 <sergio> Arnaud: he thinks that the resolution from the minutes is not quite clear to have it in the spec
14:51:00 <sergio> Arnaud: so it will require somelese looking to it, probably sandro will be the best candidate
14:51:20 <sergio> sandro: I did not have a chance to look at the spec
14:52:10 <sergio> subsubtopic: ldpatch
14:52:52 <sergio> betehess: we have to focus on the semantic stuff of the documents
14:53:01 <sergio> betehess: we plan to meet on Wed for that
14:53:40 <sergio> Arnaud: three weeks ago the timeframe was only one week, but three weeks ago we still di not see the document
14:54:28 <sergio> betehess: we had everything, but since we didn't meet in the last two weeks we're still internally working on the document
14:55:02 <sergio> betehess: until we meet next Wed, I can't say a day when we'll have something
14:55:57 <deiu> pchampin
14:56:09 <sergio> pchampin: I hope to have something by next week
14:56:35 <deiu> The important bits are there (more or less), we still need to iron out some issues. Also, the spec needs more wording...
14:56:41 <sergio> Arnaud: we should get something earlier than later
14:56:49 <sandro> +1 I'd like to see what cases this works for and which it doesn't work for
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14:57:02 <sandro> +1 also, what approach are you taking on the grammar?
14:57:14 <bblfish> oops sorry I missorry missed the call
14:57:21 <bblfish> was in a discussion no LDP here in France.
14:57:24 <sergio> betehess: I hope to get something better during the week
14:57:51 <sergio> Arnaud: then people can start taking a look to it
14:58:16 <sergio> Arnaud: we can use the list to send out some initial information
14:58:18 <Zakim> +bblfish
14:58:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx bye
14:59:02 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
14:59:11 <betehess> bye!
14:59:12 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
14:59:13 <deiu> bye!
14:59:14 <Zakim> -bblfish
14:59:16 <Zakim> -Alexandre
14:59:16 <Zakim> -codyburleson
14:59:17 <Zakim> -Arnaud
14:59:17 <Zakim> -sergio
14:59:18 <Zakim> -Roger
14:59:18 <Zakim> -ericP
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15:06:09 <bblfish> found a number of pythonists who are interested in LDP
15:06:50 <sergio> bblfish: I have a hacky python library to complement the test suite
15:07:00 <bblfish> ah cool. is it online?
15:07:05 <sergio> I'll do some cleaning , and then push it to github
15:07:17 <sergio> I was thinking to propose to rdflib
15:07:32 <bblfish> Perhaps we should add a wiki page on the main w3c wiki for LDP for libraries we can point people to
15:07:37 <sergio> but now my free time is booked with the official test suite
15:07:45 <sergio> so next one
15:07:54 <sergio> (week, I mean)
15:08:01 <bblfish> ok great
15:08:12 <sergio> bblfish: there is already one wiki page
15:08:28 <bblfish> yes, but I think that one is for members only
15:08:37 <bblfish> LDP members that is
15:09:12 <bblfish> betehess: tu est déja a Paris?
15:22:43 <betehess> bblfish, nope, still in NY. I'm leaving on Wednesday
15:23:32 <bblfish> great
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20:21:44 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
20:21:45 <Zakim> Attendees were codyburleson, pchampin, BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, Arnaud, Roger, deiu, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, nmihindu, ericP, +1.857.928.aabb, Alexandre, bblfish
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