IRC log of html-a11y-media on 2014-06-02

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 02 June 2014
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zakim, call kazuyuki-617
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ok, kaz; the call is being made
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see JF, MarkS, Kazuyuki
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On IRC I see kaz, JF, RRSAgent, MarkS, janina, Zakim, trackbot
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from MarkS]
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zakim, ??P17 is me
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+janina; got it
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scribe: MarkS
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments [from MarkS]
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zakim take up item 2
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zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "TV & Web: Use Cases and Requirements (update)" taken up [from MarkS]
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see JF, MarkS, Kazuyuki, janina, ShaneM
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On IRC I see ShaneM, kaz, JF, RRSAgent, MarkS, janina, Zakim, trackbot
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-> Web&TV minutes
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KAZ: Talked about new use cases on May 28. Everyone was very impresed and interest
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...TV Broadcast chair, volunteered to take the lead and check the use cases in detail.
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...need to identify what is new and which ones are just extensions.
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...may need to reword a bit to fit the IGs use cases better
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...the IG has started to review use cases submitted by john and mark. The new use cases submitted by janina will be added to 2nd generation.
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JS: I have a new one that is related to timescale modification. think it would be good to have a use case for it
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...useful for people who watch videos in a non-domininant language
14:09:53 [MarkS] slow it down
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KAZ: Might want to mention advantages to i18n as well
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JS: useful for travellers as well
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MS: do you think we will be able to provide feedback on the outcome of that work soon?
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KAZ: yes
14:11:20 [MarkS] date yet, will let you know soon.
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...AC meeting is next week, so it may take longer than expected.
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MS: anyone attending AC that would be useful to talk to?
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KAZ: i will ask
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JS: i will be there on Monday
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KAZ: I wanted to thank everyone for your work. great use cases.
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 3. "Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments" taken up [from MarkS]
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SM: what are we doing with references to other documents?
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MS: Keeping an eye and doing our best to predict stability at this point
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JS: Three steps before we publish
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...Need to make sure we are happy with this heartbeat.
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...we need to respond to all commenters
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...we might want to update vocabulary used since it has changed
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...RE: section 4.8 might be a good time to re-write that section. Shouldn't taken long.
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...know what we need to say and have gotten feedback
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...know we can at least change the title, which is very awkward. Can probably use new term, second screen
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JF: That is very awkward. probably shorten it down. If we are going to use second screen, we want to indicate that it refers to one or more screens/devices
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JS: If you look at Sylvia's response to my email, that addresses that.
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...there is understanding that it it more than one or two or three additional devices.
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...I wonder if there is a definition somewhere that we can reference
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JF: there is a second screen community group
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KAZ: that group is converting to a working group
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JF: the CG has a definition
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KAZ: Use Cases and requirements were discussed in the Web & TV IG, and some of the participants converting that work to working group
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JF: This is a very quiet group. There are some knowlegeable and experienced participants.
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...lot of people watching it, but not a lot going on.
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JS: so there may be an API?
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KAZ: yes
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JS: That is important
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-> Presentation API
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JF: If we're going to use this term, we need to have it clearly defined
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...there is a concise defintion here. we may want to have a more formal definition somewhere
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s/converting that work to working group/launched a Community Group based on the requirements/
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JS: it could be a set of bluetooth headphones...
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SM: maybe we should call it secondary device
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JS: I'm not picky about the distinction, but understand its not always literally a visual display
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JF: so, the discussion is whether or not we want to use the term second screen, but based on this convo, it might be too limiting
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SM: It's not second, its secondary
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suggestion: 4.8 Requirements on the parallel use of alternative content on secondary screens and other devices
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JS: I think we can take out alternative. Secondary screens and other devices is circular, self-referential
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suggestion: 4.8 Requirements on secondary screens and other devices
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JS: I like that
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JF: I like that
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MS: me too
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JS: the rest of the section needs to be improved as well
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...take out references to UAAG and put it in the document directly
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JS: I propose I take an action to rewrite this section
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JF: Looking at comment from Jim Allen, the title and intro should be changed.
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...we can remove that comment and make sure the rest of the comments from UAAG have been addressed.
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JS, MarkS, and JF will not be available next week. Propose skipping next weeks meeting. Review rewritten text for this section in two weeks
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JF: I think we just need to focus on the title and the preamble. I think we can work on this via email
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JS: Has there been any discussions in other groups regarding this section, or were they not aware that this applies to 2nd screen
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ack J
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ack K
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KAZ: the idea of 2nd screen itself is not necessarily a secondary device. During the Munich workshop, some participants mentioned iPhone or iPad, usually 2nd screen could be the primary device.
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...need to be careful how we refer to these devices
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...perhpas we can ask them to clarify
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...multiple devices or multiple modalities
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JF: its not talking about screens, its talking about multiple devices, consuming the same media stream, different ways on different devices.
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...the group is probably focused on video, not audio.
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...I think the preamble is where it needs to be cleaned up.
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...its deliberately broad. need to expand on it in the introduction
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MS: any other sections that need work before we publish next draft?
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JF: i don't remember reviewing the long list of feedback from UAAG.
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JS: I think we did that already
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(UAAG feedback here:
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JF: we should remove link to that sentence then.
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ACTION: MarkS to remove reference to UAWG email in seciton 4.8
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Created ACTION-264 - Remove reference to uawg email in seciton 4.8 [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-06-09].
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JS: EO will look at section two before our fall heartbeat (hopefully LC)
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JF: Comment 33: CA-4, support filters. Clean audio, still refers to pre-emphasis filters. Did we agree/disagree?
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...I think we need to go through these again to make sure they were all addressed
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...there are 83 comments
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JS: We did not accept all of them
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JF: we refer to pre-emphasis filters. comment suggested we shoudl just use filters
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JS: i think that was a spelling mistake
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JF: I will take a quick look at these to make sure they were all addressed.
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JS: I'll look at minutes to see when we took these comments up
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zakim, close item 3
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agendum 3, Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments, closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Media Accessibility User Requirements (next steps) [from MarkS]
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zakim, close item 4
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agendum 4, Media Accessibility User Requirements (next steps), closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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5. Full Transcript [from MarkS]
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zakim, take up next item
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agendum 5. "Full Transcript" taken up [from MarkS]
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JS: we have two proposals
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...Plan 2014 specifies that we can create an extension spec
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JF: Adrian expressed interest in this. I will have a chat with him.
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JS: I will look for minutes
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MS: suggest adding any historical work to this wiki page so we can make an informed decision on how to move forward.
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next meeting in two weeks
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate MarkS
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