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13:56:23 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:56:23 Date: 02 June 2014
13:56:30 agenda?
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14:03:12 zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:03:12 ok, kaz; the call is being made
14:03:13 +Kazuyuki
14:03:46 zakim, who is here?
14:03:46 On the phone I see JF, MarkS, Kazuyuki
14:03:48 On IRC I see kaz, JF, RRSAgent, MarkS, janina, Zakim, trackbot
14:04:24 janina?
14:05:03 zakim, take up next item
14:05:03 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from MarkS]
14:05:12 +??P17
14:05:18 zakim, ??P17 is me
14:05:18 +janina; got it
14:05:23 scribe: MarkS
14:05:36 zakim, close item 1
14:05:36 agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
14:05:38 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:05:38 3. Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments [from MarkS]
14:05:42 zakim take up item 2
14:05:49 zakim, take up item 2
14:05:49 agendum 2. "TV & Web: Use Cases and Requirements (update)" taken up [from MarkS]
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14:06:32 zakim, who is here?
14:06:32 On the phone I see JF, MarkS, Kazuyuki, janina, ShaneM
14:06:34 On IRC I see ShaneM, kaz, JF, RRSAgent, MarkS, janina, Zakim, trackbot
14:06:35 -> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/28-webtv-minutes.html Web&TV minutes
14:07:02 KAZ: Talked about new use cases on May 28. Everyone was very impresed and interest
14:07:20 ...TV Broadcast chair, volunteered to take the lead and check the use cases in detail.
14:07:43 ...need to identify what is new and which ones are just extensions.
14:07:57 ...may need to reword a bit to fit the IGs use cases better
14:08:59 ...the IG has started to review use cases submitted by john and mark. The new use cases submitted by janina will be added to 2nd generation.
14:09:23 JS: I have a new one that is related to timescale modification. think it would be good to have a use case for it
14:09:47 ...useful for people who watch videos in a non-domininant language
14:09:53 ...to slow it down
14:10:12 KAZ: Might want to mention advantages to i18n as well
14:10:37 JS: useful for travellers as well
14:11:02 MS: do you think we will be able to provide feedback on the outcome of that work soon?
14:11:08 KAZ: yes
14:11:20 ...no date yet, will let you know soon.
14:11:39 ...AC meeting is next week, so it may take longer than expected.
14:12:02 MS: anyone attending AC that would be useful to talk to?
14:12:05 KAZ: i will ask
14:12:10 JS: i will be there on Monday
14:13:11 KAZ: I wanted to thank everyone for your work. great use cases.
14:13:25 zakim, take up next item
14:13:25 agendum 3. "Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments" taken up [from MarkS]
14:14:00 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-a11y-reqs/
14:14:47 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-a11y-reqs/#KA-1
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14:17:09 +EricP
14:17:53 SM: what are we doing with references to other documents?
14:18:06 MS: Keeping an eye and doing our best to predict stability at this point
14:18:31 JS: Three steps before we publish
14:18:48 ...Need to make sure we are happy with this heartbeat.
14:18:53 ...we need to respond to all commenters
14:19:10 ...we might want to update vocabulary used since it has changed
14:19:35 ...RE: section 4.8 might be a good time to re-write that section. Shouldn't taken long.
14:19:45 ...know what we need to say and have gotten feedback
14:20:15 ...know we can at least change the title, which is very awkward. Can probably use new term, second screen
14:20:58 JF: That is very awkward. probably shorten it down. If we are going to use second screen, we want to indicate that it refers to one or more screens/devices
14:21:21 JS: If you look at Sylvia's response to my email, that addresses that.
14:21:42 ...there is understanding that it it more than one or two or three additional devices.
14:22:40 ...I wonder if there is a definition somewhere that we can reference
14:22:54 JF: there is a second screen community group
14:23:11 KAZ: that group is converting to a working group
14:23:15 http://www.w3.org/community/webscreens/
14:23:22 JF: the CG has a definition
14:23:55 KAZ: Use Cases and requirements were discussed in the Web & TV IG, and some of the participants converting that work to working group
14:24:20 Q+
14:25:26 JF: This is a very quiet group. There are some knowlegeable and experienced participants.
14:25:43 ...lot of people watching it, but not a lot going on.
14:26:34 JS: so there may be an API?
14:26:36 KAZ: yes
14:26:41 JS: That is important
14:26:45 -> http://webscreens.github.io/presentation-api/ Presentation API
14:26:52 JF: If we're going to use this term, we need to have it clearly defined
14:27:13 ...there is a concise defintion here. we may want to have a more formal definition somewhere
14:28:20 s/converting that work to working group/launched a Community Group based on the requirements/
14:28:50 JS: it could be a set of bluetooth headphones...
14:29:04 SM: maybe we should call it secondary device
14:29:35 JS: I'm not picky about the distinction, but understand its not always literally a visual display
14:29:55 q+
14:30:48 JF: so, the discussion is whether or not we want to use the term second screen, but based on this convo, it might be too limiting
14:31:11 SM: It's not second, its secondary
14:31:47 suggestion: 4.8 Requirements on the parallel use of alternative content on secondary screens and other devices
14:33:01 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014May/0099.html
14:36:05 JS: I think we can take out alternative. Secondary screens and other devices is circular, self-referential
14:36:10 suggestion: 4.8 Requirements on secondary screens and other devices
14:36:23 JS: I like that
14:36:25 JF: I like that
14:36:32 MS: me too
14:36:53 JS: the rest of the section needs to be improved as well
14:37:07 ...take out references to UAAG and put it in the document directly
14:37:36 JS: I propose I take an action to rewrite this section
14:38:12 JF: Looking at comment from Jim Allen, the title and intro should be changed.
14:38:36 ...we can remove that comment and make sure the rest of the comments from UAAG have been addressed.
14:39:37 JS, MarkS, and JF will not be available next week. Propose skipping next weeks meeting. Review rewritten text for this section in two weeks
14:39:59 JF: I think we just need to focus on the title and the preamble. I think we can work on this via email
14:40:39 JS: Has there been any discussions in other groups regarding this section, or were they not aware that this applies to 2nd screen
14:40:51 queue?
14:40:59 ack J
14:41:12 ack K
14:42:02 KAZ: the idea of 2nd screen itself is not necessarily a secondary device. During the Munich workshop, some participants mentioned iPhone or iPad, usually 2nd screen could be the primary device.
14:42:16 ...need to be careful how we refer to these devices
14:42:23 ...perhpas we can ask them to clarify
14:43:05 ...multiple devices or multiple modalities
14:44:04 JF: its not talking about screens, its talking about multiple devices, consuming the same media stream, different ways on different devices.
14:44:35 ...the group is probably focused on video, not audio.
14:44:51 ...I think the preamble is where it needs to be cleaned up.
14:45:28 ...its deliberately broad. need to expand on it in the introduction
14:46:46 MS: any other sections that need work before we publish next draft?
14:47:08 JF: i don't remember reviewing the long list of feedback from UAAG.
14:47:15 JS: I think we did that already
14:47:23 (UAAG feedback here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jul/0108.html)
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14:48:32 JF: we should remove link to that sentence then.
14:49:23 ACTION: MarkS to remove reference to UAWG email in seciton 4.8
14:49:23 Created ACTION-264 - Remove reference to uawg email in seciton 4.8 [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-06-09].
14:50:10 JS: EO will look at section two before our fall heartbeat (hopefully LC)
14:51:40 JF: Comment 33: CA-4, support filters. Clean audio, still refers to pre-emphasis filters. Did we agree/disagree?
14:51:52 ...I think we need to go through these again to make sure they were all addressed
14:52:29 ...there are 83 comments
14:52:36 JS: We did not accept all of them
14:53:02 JF: we refer to pre-emphasis filters. comment suggested we shoudl just use filters
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14:53:38 JS: i think that was a spelling mistake
14:53:59 JF: I will take a quick look at these to make sure they were all addressed.
14:54:40 JS: I'll look at minutes to see when we took these comments up
14:55:03 agenda?
14:55:45 zakim, close item 3
14:55:45 agendum 3, Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments, closed
14:55:45 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:55:45 4. Media Accessibility User Requirements (next steps) [from MarkS]
14:55:49 zakim, close item 4
14:55:49 agendum 4, Media Accessibility User Requirements (next steps), closed
14:55:50 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:55:50 5. Full Transcript [from MarkS]
14:55:53 zakim, take up next item
14:55:53 agendum 5. "Full Transcript" taken up [from MarkS]
14:55:59 JS: we have two proposals
14:56:25 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Full_Transcript
14:56:42 ...Plan 2014 specifies that we can create an extension spec
14:57:04 JF: Adrian expressed interest in this. I will have a chat with him.
14:57:47 JS: I will look for minutes
14:58:11 MS: suggest adding any historical work to this wiki page so we can make an informed decision on how to move forward.
14:58:52 -JF
14:58:54 next meeting in two weeks
14:58:55 -janina
14:58:57 -Kazuyuki
14:59:01 -ShaneM
14:59:02 -wuwei
14:59:07 -MarkS
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14:59:08 Attendees were JF, MarkS, Kazuyuki, janina, ShaneM, wuwei
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14:59:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/02-html-a11y-media-minutes.html MarkS
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