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14:00:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:00:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:00:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:00:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:00:57 <trackbot> Date: 29 May 2014
14:01:10 <r12a> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:01:10 <Zakim> ok, r12a; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:01:19 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
14:01:19 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
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14:01:22 <Zakim> +Richard
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14:01:43 <Zakim> +??P6
14:01:52 <matial> zakim, ??p6 is me
14:01:52 <Zakim> +matial; got it
14:02:03 <Zakim> +koji
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14:04:16 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014May/0009.html
14:04:26 <aphillip> agenda?
14:04:34 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:04:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, matial, koji, aphillip
14:04:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see aphillip, koji, Zakim, RRSAgent, matial, r12a, trackbot
14:04:43 <aphillip> Regrets: JcK
14:05:14 <aphillip> Regrets+ David
14:05:37 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:06:13 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:06:20 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:06:29 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:07:46 <aphillip> action-113: richard spoke to aharon, won't probably work on it until html5 confirms dir is isolating
14:07:46 <trackbot> Notes added to action-113 Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months.
14:09:38 <aphillip> close action-299
14:09:38 <trackbot> Closed action-299.
14:10:14 <aphillip> action: addison: forward tpac attendance survey thing to richard
14:10:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-307 - Forward tpac attendance survey thing to richard [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].
14:11:07 <aphillip> close action-303
14:11:07 <trackbot> Closed action-303.
14:11:22 <aphillip> close action-304
14:11:22 <trackbot> Closed action-304.
14:11:34 <r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1083
14:11:37 <aphillip> close action-305
14:11:37 <trackbot> Closed action-305.
14:12:26 <aphillip> close action-306
14:12:26 <trackbot> Closed action-306.
14:12:36 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:12:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:13:06 <r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1037
14:13:07 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
14:13:24 <r12a> Typography questions for HTML & CSS:
14:13:24 <r12a> Effect of markup and styling on cursive script (eg. Arabic)
14:13:34 <aphillip> richard: people seeing my tweets
14:13:47 <aphillip> ... so raising awareness via blog posts etc
14:13:51 <r12a> Typography questions for HTML & CSS:
14:13:51 <r12a> Korean line breaking rules
14:13:56 <r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1048
14:14:12 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:14:19 <r12a> Typography questions for HTML & CSS:
14:14:19 <r12a> Arabic justification
14:14:31 <r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1059
14:14:34 <aphillip> richard: taken from a talk I gave at MLWeb conf
14:14:44 <aphillip> ... sums up some questions we have
14:14:49 <aphillip> ... has links to other's articles
14:15:05 <aphillip> ... in addition to the IDN universal access thing
14:15:17 <aphillip> ... so four posts in a few days after some inactivity
14:15:55 <aphillip> Topic: RADAR
14:16:06 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar#Scheduled_Last_Call_reviews
14:16:50 <aphillip> Tracking DNT http://www.w3.org/TR/tracking-dnt/
14:17:25 <aphillip> CSS Variables http://www.w3.org/TR/css-variables-1/
14:18:40 <aphillip> action: addison: ping new members if interested in reviewing
14:18:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-308 - Ping new members if interested in reviewing [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].
14:19:13 <aphillip> Topic: Resolution to Publish Encoding as Last Call
14:19:23 <aphillip>   http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-encoding-20140603/
14:20:18 <aphillip> chair: do we support publication of Encoding as a Last Call WD?
14:20:20 <r12a> +1
14:20:21 <aphillip> addison: yes
14:20:26 <koji> +1
14:20:47 <matial> +1, no pb
14:21:05 <aphillip> chair: resolved to publish
14:21:17 <aphillip> Topic: Establish Encoding Last Call Period
14:21:53 <aphillip> richard: 1 July would be about a month
14:22:00 <aphillip> ... need 3 weeks minimum
14:22:07 <aphillip> ... and we need to get to CR by September
14:22:14 <aphillip> ... have to deal with comment
14:22:31 <aphillip> chair: proposal is to end LC on 1 July 2014. All in favor?
14:22:35 <aphillip> addison: +1
14:22:39 <r12a> +1
14:22:40 <matial> +1
14:23:10 <koji> +1
14:23:18 <aphillip> chair: resolved to end LC on 1 July
14:23:36 <aphillip> richard: will send pubreq tonight
14:23:44 <aphillip> ... plh wanted status of testing
14:24:26 <aphillip> addison: talked to anne about that, kind of a weak area
14:25:24 <aphillip> action: addison: ping anne in writing about encoding tests seeking location(s)
14:25:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-309 - Ping anne in writing about encoding tests seeking location(s) [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].
14:27:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:28:08 <aphillip> Topic: CSS3 Text Comments
14:28:16 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/2
14:28:37 <aphillip> richard: koji asked me to mention that they will produce a new versoin in the summer
14:28:49 <aphillip> ... could we plan to review it over the summer?
14:28:55 <aphillip> addison: absolutely
14:29:25 <aphillip> richard: went through a lot of them
14:29:30 <aphillip> ... think we can close many of them
14:29:54 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/145
14:30:21 <aphillip> close issue-145
14:30:21 <trackbot> Closed issue-145.
14:30:29 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/308
14:30:55 <aphillip> issue-309?
14:30:55 <trackbot> issue-309 -- Haphazard use of term 'character' -- open
14:30:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/309
14:31:14 <aphillip> issue-310?
14:31:14 <trackbot> issue-310 -- (editorial) consistency in refering to Unicode web site -- open
14:31:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/310
14:32:04 <aphillip> close issue-310
14:32:04 <trackbot> Closed issue-310.
14:32:09 <aphillip> issue-311?
14:32:09 <trackbot> issue-311 -- Clarity of Arabic hyphenation example -- open
14:32:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/311
14:32:40 <aphillip> addison: uighur example?
14:33:37 <aphillip> richard: john hudson sent you an example
14:34:47 <aphillip> ... but on thread for issue-345
14:35:00 <aphillip> close issue-311
14:35:00 <trackbot> Closed issue-311.
14:35:08 <aphillip> issue-312?
14:35:09 <trackbot> issue-312 -- (editorial) distribute keyword description -- open
14:35:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/312
14:35:20 <aphillip> close issue-312
14:35:21 <trackbot> Closed issue-312.
14:35:24 <aphillip> issue:313?
14:35:29 <aphillip> issue-313?
14:35:29 <trackbot> issue-313 -- Definition of grapheme clusters -- open
14:35:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/313
14:39:14 <aphillip> issue-314?
14:39:14 <trackbot> issue-314 -- Line breaking and ruby -- open
14:39:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/314
14:39:31 <aphillip> close issue-314
14:39:31 <trackbot> Closed issue-314.
14:39:42 <aphillip> issue-315?
14:39:42 <trackbot> issue-315 -- Reference to line breaking in KLREQ -- open
14:39:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/315
14:40:10 <aphillip> close issue-315
14:40:10 <trackbot> Closed issue-315.
14:40:22 <aphillip> issue-316?
14:40:22 <trackbot> issue-316 -- Line breaking defaults -- open
14:40:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/316
14:40:55 <aphillip> koji: edits and feedback from wg
14:41:03 <aphillip> ... david barron wants section to be testable
14:41:20 <aphillip> ... suggestion we specify what ua has to do
14:41:25 <aphillip> ... and make testable
14:41:45 <aphillip> richard: think I got your email
14:42:30 <aphillip> koji: oh, wait, different issue
14:42:36 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/#css3-text-transform2
14:42:38 <aphillip> richard: need to review
14:42:58 <aphillip> ... need to determine situation regarding uax14 support
14:43:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:43:20 <aphillip> issue-317?
14:43:20 <trackbot> issue-317 -- Line breaking property and value names -- open
14:43:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/317
14:44:11 <aphillip> richard: reordering done
14:44:19 <aphillip> ... would have liked to have had an alias
14:44:35 <aphillip> ... the current names have historical usage, per elika and koji
14:44:47 <aphillip> close issue-317
14:44:47 <trackbot> Closed issue-317.
14:44:51 <aphillip> issue-318?
14:44:51 <trackbot> issue-318 -- Tibetan line breaking & justification background info -- open
14:44:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/318
14:45:05 <aphillip> close issue-318
14:45:05 <trackbot> Closed issue-318.
14:45:08 <aphillip> issue-319?
14:45:08 <trackbot> issue-319 -- word-break 'according to usual rules' -- open
14:45:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/319
14:45:25 <aphillip> close issue-319
14:45:26 <trackbot> Closed issue-319.
14:45:35 <aphillip> issue-320?
14:45:35 <trackbot> issue-320 -- Example 6 -- open
14:45:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/320
14:45:46 <aphillip> close issue-320
14:45:46 <trackbot> Closed issue-320.
14:45:50 <aphillip> issue-321?
14:45:50 <trackbot> issue-321 -- Naming of "start end" -- open
14:45:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/321
14:46:09 <aphillip> issue-322?
14:46:09 <trackbot> issue-322 -- text-justify: auto should recommend international typographic accuracy -- open
14:46:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/322
14:46:49 <aphillip> koji: this is the one I meant before (dbarron wants testable)
14:48:01 <aphillip> ... should define best backward compatible algorithm or criteria
14:48:30 <aphillip> richard: encouraging people to do right thing because hard to specify
14:48:40 <aphillip> issue-323?
14:48:40 <trackbot> issue-323 -- Figures 3 to 5 -- open
14:48:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/323
14:50:56 <aphillip> issue-324?
14:50:56 <trackbot> issue-324 -- distribute -> inter-character -- open
14:50:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/324
14:51:52 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014AprJun/0146.html
14:51:55 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/323
14:53:05 <aphillip> issue-324?
14:53:05 <trackbot> issue-324 -- distribute -> inter-character -- open
14:53:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/324
14:53:40 <aphillip> close issue-324
14:53:40 <trackbot> Closed issue-324.
14:53:55 <aphillip> issue-325?
14:53:55 <trackbot> issue-325 -- expansion opportunity -> justification opportunity -- open
14:53:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/325
14:54:06 <aphillip> close issue-325?
14:54:06 <trackbot> Closed issue-325.
14:54:15 <aphillip> issue-330?
14:54:15 <trackbot> issue-330 -- Tasmeem example not clear -- open
14:54:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/330
14:55:45 <koji> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0075.html
14:57:22 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/#text-justify-property
14:59:41 <aphillip> richard: forward fantasai's email and then addison reply?
14:59:45 <aphillip> addison: okay
14:59:59 <aphillip> issue-331?
14:59:59 <trackbot> issue-331 -- No kashida style or relationship to styles 'distribute' and 'inter-word' -- open
14:59:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/331
15:00:38 <aphillip> issue-332?
15:00:38 <trackbot> issue-332 -- Lack of complete kashida description -- open
15:00:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/332
15:02:57 <aphillip> issue-333?
15:02:57 <trackbot> issue-333 -- 'letter-spacing' and Arabic -- open
15:02:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/333
15:05:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:06:20 <aphillip> richard: example of indesign or similar
15:06:42 <aphillip> ... there might be adjustments of the spaces inside words where the arabic letters don't actually physically join
15:07:02 <aphillip> ... don't break letters apart
15:07:50 <aphillip> "fi s h"
15:08:21 <aphillip> issue-334?
15:08:21 <trackbot> issue-334 -- 'letter-spacing' and Indic -- open
15:08:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/334
15:09:07 <aphillip> richard: for justification, sometimes the font makes a difference
15:09:46 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014AprJun/0089.html
15:11:01 <aphillip> koji: wg acks that not everything can be done correctly
15:11:06 <aphillip> ... maybe do something like counter style
15:11:24 <aphillip> ... where we externalize the different cases
15:12:09 <aphillip> richard: maybe, for some things like kashida
15:12:16 <aphillip> ... there are certain user preferences
15:12:35 <aphillip> ... and CSS probably should provide the controls for user preferences
15:14:50 <aphillip> addison: maybe  be explicit about what is not currently supported?
15:15:21 <aphillip> koji: maybe need something like ruby use cases: keep a list that is growing
15:15:28 <aphillip> ... keep track of these items
15:18:43 <aphillip> richard: koji, do you want us to reply to all closed comments saying we're satisfied?
15:19:22 <aphillip> action: richard: send note to CSS about satisfaction on closed css3 text issues
15:19:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-310 - Send note to css about satisfaction on closed css3 text issues [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-06-05].
15:20:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:20:11 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:20:43 <matial> Bye
15:20:47 <Zakim> -koji
15:20:49 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:20:51 <Zakim> -matial
15:20:59 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:20:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:21:06 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
15:21:07 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:21:07 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:21:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, matial, koji, aphillip
15:21:30 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Mati, Koji
15:21:41 <aphillip> Regrets+ Felix
15:21:59 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:21:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:22:26 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:22:32 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:22:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:22:43 <aphillip> zakim, bye
15:22:43 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
15:23:48 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:23:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:23:51 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:23:51 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:23:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: forward tpac attendance survey thing to richard [1]
15:23:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-irc#T14-10-14
15:23:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: ping new members if interested in reviewing [2]
15:23:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-irc#T14-18-40
15:23:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: ping anne in writing about encoding tests seeking location(s) [3]
15:23:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-irc#T14-25-24
15:23:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: send note to CSS about satisfaction on closed css3 text issues [4]
15:23:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-irc#T15-19-22