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18:51:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
18:51:42 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
18:51:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
18:51:43 <trackbot> Date: 27 May 2014
18:52:19 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
18:52:26 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
18:52:34 <clown> zakim GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:52:39 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:52:39 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
18:52:45 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:52:45 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:52:58 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:53:08 <clown> agenda: this
18:53:15 <clown> agenda+ News: Heart beat publication in early June.
18:53:21 <clown> agenda+ News: Move from tracker's issues/actions to w3c bugzilla.
18:53:35 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-481/ACTION-1434 (David): Contact Matt King regarding issue-481, especially regarding multi-process.
18:53:48 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-661/ACTION-1444 (Joanie, Joseph):  ATK/AT-SPI mapping of presentational children.
18:53:55 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-661/ACTION-1445 (Cynthia):  UIA mapping of presentational children.
18:54:06 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-504/ACTION-1338 (All):  Mapping of aria-checked: aria-checked no longer on option role.
18:54:23 <clown> agenda+ ISSUES and ACTIONS triage: (All) https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23.  Start with ACTION-1320
18:54:30 <clown> agenda+ be done.
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19:02:46 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, aaaa is Bryan_Garaventa
19:02:46 <Zakim> sorry, bgaraventa1979, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
19:03:08 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
19:03:08 <Zakim> ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
19:08:59 <Zakim> +David_Bolter
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19:10:09 <clown> regrets:  Joanie_Diggs
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19:10:30 <clown> scribenick:  clown
19:10:38 <clown> zakim, take up 3
19:10:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up 3', clown
19:10:44 <clown> take up item 3
19:10:54 <clown> action-1434?
19:10:54 <trackbot> action-1434 -- David Bolter to Contact matt king regarding issue-481, especially regarding multi-process -- due 2014-05-27 -- OPEN
19:10:54 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1434
19:11:05 <clown> JS:  You spoke with Matt?
19:11:14 <clown> DB:  Yes.
19:11:33 <clown> DB:  He wants us to keep it on the radar, but could we move it to 2.0 for now?
19:11:36 <clown> JS:  We can.
19:11:57 <clown> DB:  He prefers assigning it to 2.0 rather than closing it.
19:12:03 <clown> JS:  Does anyone object?
19:12:11 <clown> BG:  I don't
19:12:28 <clown> JS:  Does that mean moving the issue itself to 2.0 as well?
19:12:34 <clown> issue-481?
19:12:34 <trackbot> issue-481 -- aria-live removal events should or must happen before object removal -- open
19:12:34 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/481
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19:15:10 <clown> JS:  There is no UAIG 2.0 product in tracker, so I will move this to ARIA 2.0 for now.
19:15:26 <clown> JS: I will discuss with Michael about making a UAIG 2.0 product.
19:15:45 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
19:15:55 <cyns> zakim, microsoft has me
19:15:55 <Zakim> +cyns; got it
19:15:59 <clown> JS:  action-1434 closed, and issue-481 moved to ARIA 2.0 time frame.
19:16:03 <davidb> Zakim, who is on the phone?
19:16:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, David_Bolter, [Microsoft]
19:16:05 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has cyns
19:16:51 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
19:17:07 <clown> Take up item 1
19:17:16 <clown> JS:  First two items are just news.
19:17:49 <clown> scribenick:  cyns
19:18:27 <cyns> JS: going ahead with heartbeat pub in early June.  these will be public working drafts of spec, UAIG and best practices
19:18:39 <clown> take up item 2
19:19:07 <cyns> JS: consensus was to move to bugzilla, but to do it gradually.
19:19:36 <cyns> JS: we'll leave existing issues in tracker, and make new ones in bugzilla.  Not sure of exact date.  Will do here after it's done at a monday call.
19:19:52 <cyns> JS: there was discussion of creating bugzillas for each action, leaving issues where they are.
19:20:12 <cyns> JS: there is work in the background to find an IRC bot for bugzilla.
19:20:50 <cyns> JS: if you have issues with this, email michael cooper
19:21:14 <cyns> CS: I'm happy we're moving to bugzilla
19:21:18 <clown> https://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-pf-editors-minutes.html#item02
19:22:15 <clown> take up item 4
19:22:24 <clown> action-1444?
19:22:24 <trackbot> action-1444 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate the ideal atk/at-spi2 mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. -- due 2014-06-03 -- OPEN
19:22:24 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1444
19:23:09 <clown> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1013584
19:23:27 <cyns> JS:  joanie has looked at both gdk and gecko, and has filed bugs against them.  doesn't like what they're doing now.  see links for details
19:24:17 <cyns> JS: alexander surkov has agreed to change mapping from text.  James thinks it should be paragraph.  Joanie thinks div, because of orca paragraph nav.
19:24:25 <cyns> BG: makes sense to me
19:24:43 <cyns> JS: there is mapping for div in html5 mapping guide.
19:25:05 <cyns> CS: it's group
19:25:14 <cyns> JS: group and/or section
19:26:20 <cyns> JS: joanie not sure on section
19:26:57 <cyns> JS: should we state what we want or reference HTML mapping for div.  my pref is to state what we want.
19:27:33 <cyns> CS: why do you prefer defining it ourselves, rather than refrerence?
19:27:43 <cyns> JS: because ARIA is for more than html
19:28:36 <cyns> JS: for required owned elements that are presentational, they become xxx.  for more detail, see html mapping, svg mapping, etc.
19:30:54 <clown> take up item 5
19:31:09 <clown> ACTION-1445?
19:31:09 <trackbot> ACTION-1445 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate the ideal uai mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. -- due 2014-06-03 -- OPEN
19:31:09 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445
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19:32:40 <cyns> CS: 1445 still open, due next week
19:32:53 <clown> take up item 6
19:33:14 <clown> ACTION-1338?
19:33:14 <trackbot> ACTION-1338 -- Michael Cooper to Patch issue-504: Update radio and option in spec an taxonomy -- due 2014-01-30 -- OPEN
19:33:14 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1338
19:34:41 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_state-property_table
19:35:10 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_role_table
19:35:36 <clown> If aria-checked is not undefined, support object attribute checkable:true
19:35:59 <clown> issue-504?
19:36:00 <trackbot> issue-504 -- radio shouldn't have aria-selected -- closed
19:36:00 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/504
19:37:52 <cyns> JS: do we want to make this change?
19:37:57 <cyns> CS: +1
19:38:03 <cyns> BG: +1
19:38:38 <cyns> JS: will check with Joanie.  If she's ok, we'll open an action to remove special case sentences in option mapping row.
19:42:39 <clown> take up itme 7
19:42:44 <clown> take up item 7
19:43:03 <clown> action-1320?
19:43:04 <trackbot> action-1320 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Consider mapping the "offscreen" api properties in the situation of aria-hidden="false" on non-rendered elements. -- due 2013-12-23 -- OPEN
19:43:04 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1320
19:45:55 <cyns> CS: I still consider this technique to be an anti-pattern.
19:46:04 <cyns> JS: I don't think FF will change
19:46:08 <cyns> CS:  IE either.
19:46:26 <cyns> JS:  currently aria-hidden=false is the default
19:47:09 <cyns> JS: let it lie a bit, and see if there is new interest.  Moving due date out to December.
19:47:44 <clown> action-1343?
19:47:44 <trackbot> action-1343 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define a mapping in the uaig that covered aria-hidden="false" in all situations - including when a hidden attribute is applied. -- due 2014-01-30 -- OPEN
19:47:44 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1343
19:49:04 <clown> action-1372?
19:49:04 <trackbot> action-1372 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
19:49:04 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372
19:50:05 <cyns> CS: push out to june 24
19:50:13 <clown> action-1373?
19:50:13 <trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
19:50:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
19:50:42 <cyns> CS: push out to June 24
19:52:07 <cyns> JS: new business?
19:52:35 <clown> scribenick:  clown
19:52:39 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
19:54:54 <Zakim> -Bryan_Garaventa
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20:03:02 <clown> s/take up item 3/Topic:  ISSUE-481/ACTION-1434 (David): Contact Matt King regarding issue-481, especially regarding multi-process/
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20:03:48 <clown> s/take up item 3/Topic:  ISSUE-481\/ACTION-1434 (David): Contact Matt King regarding issue-481, especially regarding multi-process/
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