12:29:15 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:29:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/05/23-dwbp-irc 12:29:17 RRSAgent, make logs 351 12:29:17 Zakim has joined #dwbp 12:29:19 Zakim, this will be DWBP 12:29:19 ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 31 minutes 12:29:20 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 12:29:20 Date: 23 May 2014 12:29:40 ivan has changed the topic to: agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140523 12:29:47 Chair: Hadley 12:30:03 rrsagent, make logs public 12:44:05 Regrets: Ig_Bittencourt, Eric, Bernadette, Wagner, Bart 12:53:09 JoaoPauloAlmeida has joined #dwbp 12:53:31 HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp 12:56:51 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started 12:56:58 + +1.617.646.aaaa 12:58:53 +HadleyBeeman 12:59:21 antoine has joined #dwbp 12:59:30 zakim, dial ivan-voip 12:59:30 ok, ivan; the call is being made 12:59:31 +Ivan 12:59:55 +[IPcaller] 12:59:56 HadleyBeeman has changed the topic to: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140523 13:00:01 Zakim, IPcaller is me 13:00:01 +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 13:00:32 adler1 has joined #DWBP 13:00:33 Sumit has joined #DWBP 13:00:39 +[IPcaller] 13:00:46 zakim, IPcaller is me 13:00:46 +antoine; got it 13:01:03 zakim, who is here? 13:01:03 On the phone I see +1.617.646.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, Ivan, JoaoPauloAlmeida, antoine 13:01:05 On IRC I see Sumit, adler1, antoine, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, laufer, deirdrelee, trackbot 13:01:22 cgueret has joined #dwbp 13:01:28 +[IPcaller] 13:01:37 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:01:37 +deirdrelee; got it 13:01:45 +[IPcaller] 13:01:56 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:01:56 +laufer; got it 13:02:31 +Yaso 13:02:43 + +3567922aabb 13:02:57 MTCarrasco has joined #dwbp 13:03:01 +??P19 13:03:02 jerdeb has joined #DWBP 13:03:03 +adler1 13:03:05 +??P18 13:03:12 zakim, ??P19 is me 13:03:12 +cgueret; got it 13:03:16 Hello! 13:03:18 zakim, yaso is caroline 13:03:18 +caroline; got it 13:03:27 zakim, newton is with yaso 13:03:27 sorry, HadleyBeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso' 13:03:28 newton has joined #dwbp 13:03:33 zakim, newton is with caroline 13:03:33 +newton; got it 13:03:39 zakim , ??P19 is me 13:03:40 zakim, who is here? 13:03:40 On the phone I see +1.617.646.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, Ivan, JoaoPauloAlmeida, antoine, deirdrelee, laufer, caroline, +3567922aabb, cgueret, adler1, ??P18 13:03:42 caroline has caroline, newton 13:03:42 On IRC I see newton, jerdeb, MTCarrasco, cgueret, Sumit, adler1, antoine, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, laufer, deirdrelee, trackbot 13:03:54 zakim, aaaa is sumit 13:03:54 +sumit; got it 13:04:00 Zakim, aabb is me 13:04:00 +jerdeb; got it 13:04:22 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 13:04:31 zakim,aabb is me 13:04:31 sorry, Sumit, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb' 13:04:32 +ericstephan 13:04:35 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 13:04:49 zakim, who is here? 13:04:49 On the phone I see sumit, HadleyBeeman, Ivan, JoaoPauloAlmeida, antoine, deirdrelee, laufer, caroline, jerdeb, cgueret, adler1, ??P18, ericstephan 13:04:52 caroline has caroline, newton 13:04:52 On IRC I see ericstephan, Caroline_, newton, jerdeb, MTCarrasco, cgueret, Sumit, adler1, antoine, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, laufer, deirdrelee, 13:04:52 ... trackbot 13:05:16 Zakim, Caroline_ has newton 13:05:16 sorry, Caroline_, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_' 13:05:22 Hi Sumit, glad you made it to the call! 13:05:23 zakim, mute me 13:05:23 cgueret should now be muted 13:05:36 Zakim, caroline has newton 13:05:36 newton was already listed in caroline, Caroline_ 13:05:37 thanks Eric 13:05:56 yep 13:06:01 Zakim, caroline is me 13:06:01 +Caroline_; got it 13:06:03 me too 13:06:06 zakim, unmute me 13:06:07 cgueret should no longer be muted 13:06:13 zakim, mute me 13:06:13 cgueret should now be muted 13:06:24 zakim, who is here? 13:06:24 On the phone I see sumit, HadleyBeeman, Ivan, JoaoPauloAlmeida, antoine, deirdrelee, laufer, Caroline_, jerdeb, cgueret (muted), adler1, ??P18, ericstephan 13:06:28 Caroline_ has caroline, newton 13:06:28 On IRC I see ericstephan, Caroline_, newton, jerdeb, MTCarrasco, cgueret, Sumit, adler1, antoine, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, laufer, deirdrelee, 13:06:28 ... trackbot 13:07:14 zakim, ??P18 is mtcarrasco 13:07:15 +mtcarrasco; got it 13:07:39 zakim, mute me 13:07:39 laufer should now be muted 13:08:05 zakim, mute mtcarrasco 13:08:05 mtcarrasco should now be muted 13:08:23 zakim, who is making noise? 13:08:35 HadleyBeeman, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (67%), sumit (59%) 13:08:43 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:08:54 Zakim, Caroline_ has nathalia 13:08:54 +nathalia; got it 13:09:03 is this good now ? 13:09:10 i will hadley 13:09:27 scribe: deirdrelee 13:09:34 scribenick: deirdrelee 13:09:56 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140523 13:10:02 I get a bad gateway message 13:10:40 "i get a 502 Bad Gateway" 13:11:17 HadleyBeeman: Can't approve minutes from last week as there is a 502 error, will postpone until next week 13:11:46 Ivan: will manually fix minutes for today 13:11:49 markharrison-noaudio has joined #dwbp 13:11:52 topic: use-cases 13:12:08 scribenick: HadleyBeeman 13:12:38 deirdrelee: We've been cleaning things up. We now have a complete list of use cases and requirements and have been making sure they map. 13:12:41 htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/usecasesv1.html 13:12:42 vagner has joined #dwbp 13:12:50 Zakim, Caroline_ has vagner 13:12:50 +vagner; got it 13:12:51 … Link ^ 13:13:26 … First complete draft is there. Left: review, check, fill litlte missing gaps. Have asked Steve and Nathalia to add requirements from their use cases, and Mark to review his. 13:13:43 … If everyone who added use cases could have a look. 13:13:49 I will do. 13:13:57 Thanks for updating it. 13:13:58 … We can put it out next week as a FPWD. 13:14:28 Hadleybeeman: We still need an abstract, and to look at it for pubrules. 13:14:36 DeirdreLee: Okay. 13:14:40 q+ 13:14:52 Ivan: Phil told me he's okay for next Thursday, if this group wants that. 13:15:08 CarlosIglesias has joined #dwbp 13:15:20 I will do what Deidre asks 13:15:30 … Phil has to ask formally for the shortname for the draft, and install the document in TR space on our site. Because it's a first public draft, it will need a new home page, etc. 13:15:41 +??P21 13:15:47 deirdrelee: what does that mean for us as editors? 13:15:57 zakim, ??p21 is really me 13:15:57 +CarlosIglesias; got it 13:16:13 ivan: I'll put some links in IRC. It would help to have the document checked by the W3C pubrules checkers. 13:16:45 … I'll put in the pubrules checker (script), and I have made an overview of how best to generate a draft on GitHub. I did it for CSVW; it may be useful for you. 13:16:55 zakim, unmute me 13:16:55 laufer should no longer be muted 13:17:33 right 13:17:36 +1 13:17:40 -> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/publishing_process.md CSVW publishing procedures 13:17:45 hadleybeeman: I don't think the working group has reviewed it yet. Yes? 13:17:49 q+ 13:17:58 deirdrelee: Yes. Task for the working group this week. 13:18:16 what is the draft link again? 13:18:24 ack ivan 13:18:25 … It's important that we internally, as a group, review the document. Especially each person review their own use cases. 13:18:56 I'm on vacation next week... 13:19:12 Ivan: Good you said that. For a FPWD, you will need a formal resolution requesting to publish. If you cannot do that today, then it seems that publication this week may be a problem. Probably looking now to the Tuesday or Thursday after. 13:19:35 +1 13:19:58 DeirdreLee: So: we'll spend the week reviewing and refining; transition next week. 13:20:13 Laufer: I've written a use case that isn't in this document. 13:20:26 Deirdrelee: We can double check that everything that is in the wiki is in the document. 13:21:45 Laufer: I think there may be another of those 26 use cases in the wiki missing as well. 13:22:00 Deirdrelee: it wasn't intentional! We will look into it. 13:22:31 topic: data quality vocabularies 13:23:02 action-34? 13:23:03 action-34 -- Bart van Leeuwen to Coordinate with antoine about the data quality effort -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN 13:23:03 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/34 13:23:10 antoine: we are claiming victory on action-34, Bart and Antoine will meet next Sunday 13:23:22 scribenick: deirdrelee 13:23:24 https://github.com/w3c/dwbp 13:23:36 .. Bart has created first draft of quality vocabulary on github 13:23:56 .. not much content yet, but it's kick-started! 13:24:10 HadleyBeeman: what's plan for week ahead? 13:24:40 antoine: They will meet and discuss how to proceed. Discussions will take place on separate list 13:24:48 topic: usage vocabulary 13:25:26 ericstephan: bernadette and ericstephan will talk regularly to progress work on usage vocabulary 13:25:50 .. are currently using google doc to share notes. is this a problem? should they use the wiki? 13:26:31 HadleyBeeman: could be a problem because the wiki is archived and transparent. google docs could be okay for short-term notes, but longer-term wiki is better, as it's open to rest of web 13:27:13 ericstephan: discussions are preliminary so can't share much, but they are looking at W3C prov vocabulary, as there seems to be big overlap, potential for reuse 13:27:45 ... some of the properties are restricted to past tense, where data usage could be present tense 13:28:17 ... they also discussed data structure, and leveraging design patterns into vocabulary 13:28:58 HadleyBeeman: there was proposal to have separate call for both vocabularies. will this happen? 13:29:05 ericstephan: this could be very useful 13:29:06 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140523 13:29:07 had 13:29:29 http://doodle.com/tpp2p8fvpmchx4s4 13:29:30 HadleyBeeman: phil has put together a doodle poll to see availability for vocab call 13:29:42 ... one call should be sufficient for both vocabs? 13:29:52 ericstephan: one call should be fine from my perspective 13:30:19 HadleyBeeman: could all members complete their availability in the doodle poll 13:30:28 topic: URI design work 13:30:47 newton: they have not worked on the document this week 13:31:25 ... wants to merge uri document with that one created by Tomas 13:32:47 topic: vocabularies 13:32:54 q? 13:33:01 ack laufer 13:33:09 https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-16 13:33:15 laufer: have worked with Bart on wiki page 13:34:00 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #dwbp 13:34:06 ... needs input/participaton on this work 13:34:18 action-39? 13:34:18 action-39 -- Carlos Laufer to Summarize the ideas (create categories) from the mailing list on the wiki page for guidance on metadata -- due 2014-05-23 -- OPEN 13:34:18 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/39 13:35:10 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Guidance_on_the_Provision_of_Metadata 13:35:43 action newton improve BP - URI document with new references 13:35:44 Created ACTION-42 - Improve bp - uri document with new references [on Newton Calegari - due 2014-05-30]. 13:35:56 HadleyBeeman: what is it you would like people to do? 13:36:18 laufer: would like people to read document, comment and criticise 13:36:46 topic: versioning 13:38:28 flavio is not here 13:38:31 newton: still working on versioning document, will look into action again this week 13:38:57 topic: controlled vocabularies 13:39:21 antoine: they have some initial material, but didn't get a chance to discuss this week 13:39:30 been re-reading SKOS primer and making notes - will enter into wiki soon 13:39:38 topic; tech factors for innovation 13:39:56 nathalia: am working on it but haven't added anything to wiki, will add this week 13:40:37 s/topic; tech factors for innovation/topic: tech factors for publication 13:40:45 topic: tech factors for innovation 13:41:14 vagner: unsure about scope/focus of topic. would like to discuss with hadley next week about their concerns/ideas 13:41:22 ... early next week 13:41:32 ... will then initiate document on the wiki 13:41:39 topic: data preservation 13:41:41 zakim, unmute me 13:41:41 cgueret should no longer be muted 13:42:35 cgueret: haven't started writing the doc yet, needs to coordinate with Phil. but has had interesting conversation with Tomas about what is in the scope of the group. This can form base of document 13:42:47 HadleyBeeman: do you need anything from group for week ahead? 13:43:19 "[BP - PRE] Data preservation already taken care of ?" 13:43:25 cgueret: would welcome comments on the email thread on the list about data preservation 13:43:46 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014May/0080.html 13:44:36 zakim, mute me 13:44:36 cgueret should now be muted 13:44:48 HadleyBeeman: going to be a busy week ahead, not only on everyone's own deliverables, but also on helping with review of others 13:45:28 ivan: you can configure client so that url appears in header :) 13:45:32 https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-16 13:45:44 +1 13:45:45 HadleyBeeman: let's go back to approving meeting minutes as we couldn't do it earlier 13:45:49 +1 13:45:58 +1 13:45:59 +1 13:46:01 +1 13:46:02 +1 13:46:03 +1 13:46:06 +1 13:46:07 +1 13:46:08 :) 13:46:08 +1 13:46:09 proposed: approve meeting minutes from last week https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-16 13:46:12 +1 13:46:13 +1 13:46:15 It was visible last week :-) 13:46:17 +1 future tense 13:46:18 +1 13:46:19 +1 again 13:46:24 +1 13:46:29 +1 13:46:29 +1 13:46:36 +1 13:46:37 +1 13:46:42 all +1's above were an advance vote for the proposal 13:46:45 resolved: approve meeting minutes from last week https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-16 13:46:48 nope 13:47:00 +1 13:47:01 https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-09 13:47:04 we already did that last week 13:47:06 proposed: approve meeting minutes from last week https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-09 13:47:11 +1 13:47:15 +1 13:47:17 s/last/previous 13:47:24 +1 13:47:53 :-) 13:48:04 +1 13:48:12 HadleyBeeman: the meeting minute's were already resolved? 13:48:22 q+ 13:48:30 +1 13:48:33 ack laufer 13:48:51 HadleyBeeman: we have some time now, has anyone anything they want to discuss? 13:48:55 + 13:49:10 q+ 13:49:11 laufer: we should discuss terminology, e.g. 'must' 'should', etc. 13:49:18 good point laufer 13:49:47 ... and words like 'resource' 'dataset', it's different if it's ckan or other tool 13:50:05 ... another thing is data quality, but do we also talk about metadata quality? 13:50:07 q+ 13:50:19 ack mt 13:50:24 oh my we're going metameta 13:50:28 :) 13:50:40 q+ 13:51:25 MTCarrasco: should there be one common understanding of terminology? should international definitions be used? 13:51:27 ack deirdre 13:52:12 deirdrelee: re quality of metadata, and guidance on provision of metadata — all things link back to the use case document. 13:52:28 +q 13:52:32 … The requirements we have put together are comprehensive, but clear and simple. There are some on metadata, quality, etc. 13:52:47 … It does link to the other deliverables. Should map back 13:52:53 ack ivan 13:53:09 The key words MUST, MUST NOT, REQUIRED, SHOULD, SHOULD NOT, RECOMMENDED, MAY, and OPTIONAL in this specification are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]. 13:53:32 Create a terminology section - 1: use exisisting terminology and point to the source - 2: new terminology 13:53:34 ivan: terminology: some of the terms are common in w3c docs. these will be included in all W3c rec docs 13:54:16 ack eric 13:54:18 ... but the other terms, like resource, etc. should also be properly specified. these could be added to this section of the doc that's standard to all docs 13:55:05 ericstephan: on use-case topic, this should be discussed in vocab call to ensure we're all on the same page, commonality across all the work 13:55:11 +1 13:55:58 create action for ericstephan to add data usage notes to wiki 13:56:01 ciao 13:56:04 -mtcarrasco 13:56:04 bye 13:56:05 thx, you too 13:56:05 -antoine 13:56:06 -JoaoPauloAlmeida 13:56:06 bye 13:56:07 bye 13:56:07 -ericstephan 13:56:08 -adler1 13:56:08 bye 13:56:09 -Caroline_ 13:56:10 bye 13:56:11 -Ivan 13:56:11 bye! 13:56:11 -jerdeb 13:56:12 bye 13:56:13 -cgueret 13:56:17 -CarlosIglesias 13:56:32 action: ericstephan to add data usage notes to wiki 13:56:32 Created ACTION-43 - Add data usage notes to wiki [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-05-30]. 13:56:35 bye! 13:56:43 -sumit 13:57:16 rssagent, make logs public 13:57:30 rrsagent, make logs public 13:58:13 -deirdrelee 13:58:15 -HadleyBeeman 13:58:32 -laufer 13:58:33 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended 13:58:33 Attendees were +1.617.646.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, Ivan, JoaoPauloAlmeida, antoine, deirdrelee, laufer, +3567922aabb, adler1, cgueret, newton, sumit, jerdeb, ericstephan, Caroline_, 13:58:33 ... mtcarrasco, nathalia, vagner, CarlosIglesias 14:26:27 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:26:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/23-dwbp-minutes.html ivan 14:57:52 ivan has joined #dwbp