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14:58:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:58:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 58 minutes ago
14:58:46 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:58:46 <trackbot> Date: 22 May 2014
14:58:48 <MarkS> zakim, agenda?
14:58:48 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:58:50 <Zakim> 4. Next Meeting [from MarkS]
14:58:54 <MarkS> zakim, clear agenda
14:58:55 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:59:38 <MarkS> agenda+ Longdesc http://www.w3.org/mid/op.xf7vwvwfy3oazb@chaals.local
14:59:38 <MarkS> agenda+ Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps
14:59:38 <MarkS> agenda+ Alt Guidance http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html
14:59:38 <MarkS> agenda+ Our HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
14:59:39 <MarkS> agenda+ Media Subteam
14:59:39 <MarkS> agenda+ Bug Triage
14:59:41 <MarkS> agenda+ Other Business
15:00:36 <MarkS> zakim, this is 2119
15:00:36 <Zakim> ok, MarkS; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
15:00:45 <MarkS> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P12, Mark_Sadecki, [IPcaller]
15:00:58 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is LJWatson
15:00:58 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
15:01:00 <MarkS> zakim, ??P12 is janina
15:01:00 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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15:01:48 <Zakim> +JF
15:01:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:03 <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
15:02:03 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
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15:02:24 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
15:02:24 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:02:45 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:02:58 <chaals> zakim, [mi is PaulC
15:02:58 <Zakim> +PaulC; got it
15:02:58 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:02:59 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
15:03:25 <chaals> zakim, who is here?
15:03:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Mark_Sadecki, LJWatson, JF, chaals, PaulC
15:03:26 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
15:03:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see paulc, JF, RRSAgent, LJWatson, janina, chaals, cabanier, Zakim, sivoais, hober, MarkS, trackbot
15:03:30 <MarkS> agenda?
15:03:37 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:03:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Longdesc http://www.w3.org/mid/op.xf7vwvwfy3oazb@chaals.local" taken up [from MarkS]
15:04:25 <MarkS> CN: Paul Cotton has been prodding mark and I to make progress on longdesc.
15:04:29 <MarkS> ...we have a test suite
15:04:41 <MarkS> ...may have a CR ready spec soon.
15:05:04 <MarkS> ...CfC in TF for test suite, then on to HTML
15:05:06 <paulc> q+
15:05:18 <chaals> ack pa
15:05:38 <MarkS> PC: don't we need to just get the doc ready?
15:05:44 <MarkS> s/doc/CR
15:05:56 <MarkS> ...we just need to get into CR
15:06:44 <MarkS> ...i don't want longdesc to fall behind HTML5
15:06:58 <MarkS> ....HTML5 is prob going to go to LC in June
15:07:52 <MarkS> ...lets get a CR ready doc in front of the TF for a CfC
15:08:37 <MarkS> CN: Mark and I should have time this week to get that ready
15:08:41 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:08:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:08:42 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:42 <Zakim> 2. Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps [from MarkS]
15:08:48 <chaals> scribe: chaals
15:09:04 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas
15:09:08 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/3850
15:09:14 <chaals> MS: HTMLWG published lastcall for canvas 2d level 1
15:09:24 <chaals> … subteam talked about implementations
15:09:29 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/19-html-a11y-minutes.html
15:10:17 <chaals> … Ric and Firefox settled their hit regions differences, expect support this week (nightly), Safari were happy, and Chrome / Samsung are working on hitregions (theyhave drawfocus)
15:10:27 <chaals> … so we are looking good on getting the implementations required.
15:10:42 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:11:01 <chaals> … HTML chairs were asking for level 2 heartbeat, so tossing that around, along with questions on the future of the TF.
15:11:29 <chaals> PC: How are you going to process questions on the future?
15:12:00 <chaals> MS: Email to HTML WG chairs. Now we don't have accessibility issues, what should we do with the subgroup?
15:12:18 <chaals> PC: Plan to ask us makes sense.
15:13:12 <chaals> [exploration of levels and how to decide what goes into which level]
15:14:22 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:14:22 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, chaals
15:14:27 <chaals> zakim, close item 2
15:14:27 <Zakim> agendum 2, Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps, closed
15:14:28 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:14:28 <Zakim> 3. Alt Guidance http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html [from MarkS]
15:14:34 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
15:14:34 <chaals> zakim, take up item 3
15:14:34 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Alt Guidance http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html" taken up [from MarkS]
15:15:35 <MarkS> JS: Steve is clearing bugs on the document.  apparently there is one outstanding bug. have not seen a response from him re the status of completion of that document
15:15:57 <MarkS> ...I will write him again.  there is at least one open bug that needs to be resolved before we can move on.
15:16:32 <MarkS> PC: When you do that CfC, you will want to point to the bugs that Steve has processed.  Will need a pointer for that.
15:17:01 <MarkS> JS: the intent is to have pointers to all of the bugs.  I have started this effort.
15:17:15 <MarkS> PC: Steve is also a good resource for that as well as my emails on the topic
15:17:34 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
15:17:34 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Media Subteam" taken up [from MarkS]
15:18:08 <MarkS> CN: We need to figure out what we want to focus on before we miss that window
15:18:17 <MarkS> q+
15:18:33 <MarkS> ...there is a list on the wiki
15:18:46 <MarkS> ...what is the progress? is anything missing?
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15:19:28 <chaals> zakim, take up item 4
15:19:28 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Our HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist" taken up [from MarkS]
15:19:29 <MarkS> zakim, take up item 4
15:19:30 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Our HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist" taken up [from MarkS]
15:19:35 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
15:19:55 <chaals> ack ma
15:21:00 <chaals> MS: Have been trying to formalise the process of tracking these things. We nominated people for these topics, and sent emails to the people asking for topic "leader" to outline the topic a bit more clearly - need for accessibility, identifying gaps, guess at degree of difficulty
15:21:39 <chaals> … there is a page for each item, people have *started* chasing up items.
15:22:05 <chaals> … Please look at these tasks, start fleshing them out with details
15:22:11 <chaals> CS: How to add more items?
15:22:18 <chaals> MS: in teh wiki - see link above
15:22:29 <chaals> s/teh/the/
15:23:16 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:23:16 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:23:17 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:23:17 <Zakim> 5. Media Subteam [from MarkS]
15:23:22 <chaals> zakim, take up item 5
15:23:22 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Media Subteam" taken up [from MarkS]
15:23:27 <MarkS> zakim, take up item 5
15:23:27 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Media Subteam" taken up [from MarkS]
15:23:29 <chaals> scribe:
15:23:34 <chaals> scribe: Chaals
15:23:57 <chaals> MS: Been making progress on Media Accessibility User Requirements - believe we have addressed all comments, need to send replies to the commenters.
15:24:20 <chaals> … will probably be on back burner for a week or two while we are working on Web/TV IG use cases and requirements.
15:24:34 <chaals> … Meet Tuesday next week to finalise response to Web/TV IG.
15:25:02 <chaals> zakim, close this item
15:25:02 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
15:25:03 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:25:03 <Zakim> 6. Bug Triage [from MarkS]
15:25:05 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/
15:25:11 <chaals> zakim, take up item 6
15:25:11 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Bug Triage" taken up [from MarkS]
15:25:15 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
15:25:16 <chaals> scribe: MarkS
15:25:30 <MarkS> LW: no bug triage meeting this week
15:25:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:25:36 <MarkS> ...no news
15:25:41 <paulc> q+
15:25:50 <MarkS> ...we still have 5.0 bugs that need to be looked at by chaals and cyns
15:25:50 <chaals> ack pau
15:26:11 <MarkS> PC: are there 5.0 bugs that need reviewing?
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15:26:52 <SteveF> hello!
15:27:06 <MarkS> LW: there are a few bugs that were marked as resolved, wont fix or needs info that need to be followed up on just to make sure they are not 5.0 issues or if they can move to 5.1 or close them permanently.
15:27:19 <MarkS> PC: do you have a quantitative description of this work?
15:27:28 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:27:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/22-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals
15:28:26 <MarkS> LW: there were 75-100, accepted the majority of those.  a handful have been moved to 5.1 (4 in the a11y TF component)
15:28:40 <MarkS> MS: the media ones have been addressed in the sub team
15:29:29 <MarkS> PC: would like it if you could provide a summary of this work.  probably won't need this info, but its possible that the Director may ask for this info given the priority accessibility has
15:29:55 <MarkS> ...not trying to generate work, but if it can be easily done using bugzilla searches
15:30:02 <MarkS> ...an email to the TF list would be perfect
15:30:33 <chaals> ACTION: leonie to summarise numerically what happened to bugs that went through triage
15:30:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-254 - Summarise numerically what happened to bugs that went through triage [on Léonie Watson - due 2014-05-29].
15:31:09 <MarkS> agenda?
15:31:26 <MarkS> zakim, take up item 2
15:31:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps" taken up [from MarkS]
15:31:27 <MarkS> zakim, take up item 3
15:31:27 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Alt Guidance http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0062.html" taken up [from MarkS]
15:31:35 <MarkS> zakim, close item 6
15:31:35 <Zakim> agendum 6, Bug Triage, closed
15:31:36 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:31:36 <Zakim> 7. Other Business [from MarkS]
15:31:37 <chaals> CMN: Is the alt doc finished?
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15:31:48 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:31:57 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
15:31:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/22-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
15:32:09 <MarkS> CN: is alt finished?  is there a list of bugs?
15:32:20 <chaals> s/bugs/bugs closed/
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15:32:58 <MarkS> SF: all the bugs minus one have been closed.  I'm making editorial fixes today as well.  its very close to being finished.  bug is not a problematic bug.  will close it today or tomorrow.
15:33:40 <MarkS> ...its in pretty good shape.
15:33:41 <chaals> q+
15:34:46 <MarkS> JS: I have an action from this group to pull together a confirming CfC once you're finished to validate all your work.  Here is what has been done, list of bugs, etc.  is everyone satisfied.  is there consensus to publish standalone and all the changes to html5.  would love help with that.
15:35:41 <MarkS> SF: i've been working furiously on this document.  My plan is to have it complete by tomorrow.  I'll be away next week.  I will attempt to pull the bug stuff together this weekend.   It shouldn't take long.  I've done this partially in the past.
15:35:43 <paulc> q+
15:35:49 <chaals> q- later
15:36:17 <chaals> ack pa
15:36:34 <MarkS> PC: there are 2 bug lists that would be useful
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15:36:54 <cyns> rssagent make minutes
15:37:03 <MarkS> ...archive this as a WG note, and the work in HTML5
15:37:11 <MarkS> JS: I plan on doing both
15:37:18 <MarkS> PC: would be useful to reference in the WG note
15:37:33 <SteveF> paulc: gotcha re bug lists
15:37:59 <MarkS> CN: once longdesc gets further along, what does that do the the ALT document?
15:38:16 <MarkS> SF: ...for advice on using longdesc?
15:38:29 <MarkS> CN: yes,  how many bugs, how difficult to deal with
15:39:25 <MarkS> SF: I just added an example to a bug D Mac added RE extended description stuff.  I would just add an example of something similar for longdesc. I don't think it needs anything complicated.  I don't see a major issue in using longdesc as an example as well.
15:40:29 <MarkS> DM: I see you suggested using figure with role of group, have you done any testing?
15:40:55 <MarkS> SF: yes, I did it that way because it actually works.  I've tested.  there is aria-label and aria-labelledby i think in there
15:41:10 <MarkS> DM: and everyone is OK with that?  rather than just having something that follows
15:41:32 <MarkS> CN: will have to wait until we see it in writing
15:42:08 <MarkS> SF: the other example, the image was wrapped in a link.  the link text was the alt text, which pointed to the longer description.  I didn't add a case of it being below to that, it wasn't necessary there.
15:42:16 <MarkS> ...its there now, so you can review it.
15:42:43 <MarkS> DM: there is no example for text on the page that appears following the image.  I've recommended that practice myself.
15:43:33 <MarkS> SF: I'm not saying to drop the practice, I just don't have an example in this document.  We're not trying to include *every* scenario here.  In time, it will be overtaken by WAI Tutorials
15:44:27 <MarkS> ...pointer to additional guidance at top of section.  always room for improvement, but we have to get this wrapped up.
15:44:40 <MarkS> zakim, mute me
15:44:40 <Zakim> Mark_Sadecki should now be muted
15:44:53 <MarkS> zakim, unmute me
15:44:53 <Zakim> Mark_Sadecki should no longer be muted
15:45:20 <chaals> zakim, take up item 6
15:45:20 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Bug Triage" taken up [from MarkS]
15:45:40 <MarkS> CS: RE my bugs.  I handled these back in Feb.  Some were moved to 5.1.  1 is waiting for a response from Robin.
15:46:53 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:47:01 <Zakim> -chaals
15:47:05 <Zakim> -Mark_Sadecki
15:47:06 <Zakim> -JF
15:47:25 <Zakim> -LJWatson
15:47:33 <Zakim> -janina
15:48:30 <Zakim> -PaulC
15:48:59 <MarkS> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:48:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], David_MacDonald
15:49:26 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:49:39 <MarkS> zakim, drip David_MacDonald
15:49:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'drip David_MacDonald', MarkS
15:49:48 <MarkS> zakim, drop David_MacDonald
15:49:48 <Zakim> David_MacDonald is being disconnected
15:49:49 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
15:49:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Mark_Sadecki, LJWatson, janina, JF, [IPcaller], chaals, [Microsoft], PaulC, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald
15:49:55 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
15:49:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/22-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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