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08:05:03 <daveL> agenda:  https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Teleconference,_7/03/2014#Agenda
08:05:08 <chaals> zakim, this is bpmlod
08:05:08 <Zakim> ok, chaals; that matches I18N_BPMLOD()4:00AM
08:05:14 <chaals> zakim, who is here?
08:05:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], ??P1, [IPcaller.a], [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], [IPcaller.aaaa]
08:05:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see labra, Zakim, RRSAgent, chaals, daveL, MTCarrasco, jgracia, rnavigli, flati, trackbot
08:05:26 <rnavigli> present+ Roberto Navigli
08:05:29 <chaals> zakim, [ipcaller.aaaa] is chaals
08:05:29 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
08:06:13 <chaals> zakim, who is speaking?
08:06:27 <Zakim> chaals, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller.a] (22%), [IPcaller.aa] (58%), [IPcaller.aaa] (36%)
08:06:48 <MTCarrasco> +MTCarrasco
08:06:57 <Zakim> + +49.521.106.1.aaaa
08:06:59 <jgracia> agenda: https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Teleconference,_22/05/2014#Agenda
08:07:03 <daveL> roberto asks: how to contribute to wiki
08:07:13 <jgracia> present+ philipp
08:07:23 <jgracia> present+ jorge
08:07:26 <daveL> jose: log in with w3c account then your are free to edit
08:07:27 <jgracia> present+ lupe
08:07:39 <MTCarrasco> zakim,  ??P1 is me
08:07:39 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it
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08:08:52 <daveL> jorge: split call into two parts
08:09:16 <daveL> ... first review list of patterns for describing multilingual information
08:09:47 <daveL> .. second guidelines on the generation of ML resources in linked data
08:10:49 <daveL> ... including migration of existing ML resources to linked data
08:12:49 <jgracia> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises_-_previous_notes#Patterns_for_Textual_information
08:12:50 <jmccrae> Scribe: jmccrae
08:12:58 <daveL> Topic: patterns for textual information
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08:13:57 <daveL> jose: review patterns documented on wiki
08:14:08 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco
08:15:23 <daveL> jorge: label everything pattern, seem generally useful
08:15:41 <daveL> philip asks: are these rdf labels, or labels in any vocabulary
08:16:03 <chaals> q+
08:16:28 <daveL> jose: agrees perhaps be specific to rdf labels
08:17:11 <daveL> philip: suggest best practice is RDF labels, and then add other labes, e.g. skos, as preferred, but minimum should be RDF labels
08:18:15 <daveL> philipp: issue is that tool can easily explode labels, so readers don't know which to look for
08:18:34 <daveL> ... to specify rdf label as minimum
08:19:09 <daveL> jose: agrees
08:19:30 <daveL> chaals: benefit of using rdf label is any tool will pick it up
08:19:50 <daveL> ... so use rdfs labal or something specifically subclassed from rdfs
08:20:20 <daveL> ... but not your own label name.
08:20:27 <labra> subproperty instead of subclass
08:21:11 <daveL> ... people using their own should be subproperty of rdfs label
08:21:42 <jmccrae> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-ld-bp-20140109/#multilingual-vocabularies
08:21:52 <daveL> jmccrea: points to existing w3c guidleines on use of label in ML vocabs
08:22:23 <daveL> jorge: suggest rdfs labels should be specified here as the best practice
08:23:07 <labra> possible name: use rdfs:label for everything
08:23:14 <jgracia> action: jose to update p2.1 for including rdfs labelling
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08:23:38 <daveL> action: labra to update p2.1 for including rdfs labelling
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08:24:22 <daveL> action: jlabraga to update p2.1 for including rdfs labelling
08:24:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Update p2.1 for including rdfs labelling [on Jose Emilio Labra Gayo - due 2014-05-29].
08:24:25 <labra> jlabraga ?
08:25:11 <daveL> topic: pattern p2.2, multilingual labels
08:26:10 <daveL> jose: not enough to add labels, but also need language tag
08:26:15 <labra> SELECT * WHERE { ?x ex:position "Professor" . }
08:26:34 <jgracia> jose: a drawback for using lang tags is that sparql need to know the language
08:26:35 <daveL> john: this sounds more like an anti patterns?
08:27:51 <daveL> john: applications that are language dependent should be specifying language anyway
08:27:54 <labra> this can be solved as: SELECT * WHERE { ?x :position ?p . FILTER ( str(?p)="Professor" ) }
08:28:42 <daveL> john: should express it as an anti pattern not to use language tags
08:29:18 <jgracia> p2.3
08:29:22 <labra> next pattern could be that anti-apttern
08:29:34 <daveL> jose: agrees
08:30:12 <daveL> jorge: but you are discussing P2.3, as an anti pattern
08:30:48 <daveL> chaals: if you don't specify language of literal do you not get the string
08:31:24 <daveL> john: the language tag makes the literal different so it won't  be matched directly as a literal
08:31:50 <daveL> ... but you can search without language tag using FILTER
08:32:40 <jgracia> rrsagent, draft minutes
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08:33:56 <daveL> chaals: the problems with calling this an 'anti pattern' which is it matches behaviour of nieve user
08:35:02 <jgracia> present+ chaals
08:35:16 <jgracia> present+ flati
08:35:35 <daveL> ... so need some more guidance on the type of sparql query to use to deal with how people do the 'wrong' thing
08:36:13 <daveL> ... so need to be more explicit on why we need this anti pattern
08:36:19 <jgracia> present+ labra
08:37:37 <daveL> ... happy to remove if we can show this isn't common bad practice
08:37:37 <labra> a new pattern on how to do sparql queries on multilingual linked data?
08:38:13 <daveL> jorge: suggest perhaps we don't need anti pattern and just promote good practice
08:39:01 <daveL> jose: should be clearer of what is not best practice
08:39:31 <jgracia> I suggest to add the "how to do sparql" in a "guidelines" document (not the "patterns" one)
08:39:39 <daveL> ... and include patterns on how consumer deal with poor practice in sparql queries
08:40:28 <daveL> jorge: suggests such consumption guidelines on use of sparql could be in a spearate document
08:41:00 <jgracia> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Teleconference,_22/05/2014#Agenda
08:41:29 <daveL> jorge: finish topic on patterns here and continue in later call
08:41:59 <daveL> topic: series of guidelines generation of ML Language Resources
08:42:34 <daveL> jorge: elaborate guidelines for generating ML language resources
08:42:55 <daveL> ... such as corpora, terminologies etc
08:43:29 <daveL> ... this can build on work by john and others
08:43:37 <daveL> ... but capturing best practice
08:44:19 <daveL> jorge: now discuss a proposed template for such reports
08:45:51 <daveL> ... see ToC on agenda
08:47:29 <daveL> tiziano: have just sent guidelines on converting babelnet to linguistic linked data
08:47:40 <daveL> https://docs.google.com/document/d/184C_AjY7_PYBSc8SnAFghGLyTo1v312N34dsP9QZokI/edit#
08:47:41 <jgracia> john: document what to do after publishing (versioning, etc)
08:48:09 <daveL> roberto: versioning are important
08:49:09 <daveL> ... better to start with specific reports, then produce more generalised guidelines
08:49:41 <jgracia> bottom-up approach
08:50:01 <daveL> ... we can restructure the draft above to your ToC
08:50:55 <daveL> jorge: propose create reports and collect who is interested in contributing to which ones
08:52:34 <daveL> dave: asks about alignment with ld4lt work on a LR meta-data onto based on META-SHARE
08:52:56 <daveL> jorge: ld4lt should develop this model and this group develops the guidelines to use it
08:54:27 <daveL> dave; asks about using w3c report templates
08:54:37 <daveL> jorge: is exploring this
08:55:28 <daveL> jose: w3c report template, just involves editing a HTML template
08:55:30 <labra> http://bpmlod.github.io/report/
08:55:35 <flati> w3c html version like this: http://bpmlod.github.io/report/ ? Seems like duplicated information as in https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises_-_previous_notes
08:56:19 <daveL> roberto: happy to move current doc to this w3c format
08:56:49 <jgracia> Resource types:
08:57:00 <jgracia> - wordnet
08:57:04 <jgracia> - babelnet
08:57:07 <daveL> dave: volunteers to look at translation memory/parallel text
08:57:48 <jgracia> - bilingual dictionaries
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08:59:00 <jgracia> - corpora
08:59:39 <daveL> sorry, I've lost connection, can someone else scribe while I try and reconnect
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09:02:44 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], chaals, +49.521.106.1.aaaa, MTCarrasco
09:02:53 <daveL> zakim is telling me the 'call centre is restricted at this time' and refusing to connect me
09:03:10 <chaals> [adjourned]
09:03:24 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:03:38 <daveL>  rrsagent, generate minutes
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09:03:49 <chaals> Chair: Labra
09:04:10 <chaals> Meeting: Best Practices - Mulitlingual Linked Open Data
09:04:28 <chaals> s/Mulitlingual/Multilingual/
09:05:09 <chaals> s/ jlabraga ?//
09:05:43 <chaals> s/zakim is telling me the 'call centre is restricted at this time' and refusing to connect me//
09:05:52 <chaals> s/sorry, I've lost connection, can someone else scribe while I try and reconnect//
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