00:00:58 RRSAgent has joined #webapps 00:00:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-webapps-irc 00:01:09 RRSAgent: this meeting spans midnight 00:01:14 zakim, this is d3e 00:01:17 Travis, I see RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be d3e". 00:02:03 zakim, who is on the phone 00:02:03 I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Travis 00:06:13 garykac has joined #webapps 00:09:55 hello? 00:10:05 Hello. 00:11:02 Present+ Travis 00:11:06 Present+ garykac 00:11:13 Present+ masayuki 00:11:50 Did you see this posting to public-webapps: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0519.html 00:12:08 Regarding the term "default action" 00:12:52 We use "default action" through the D3E spec - but it seems like we should use a different term to avoid confusion 00:13:54 It seems like we should also call out onclick (and the other two? events) that are inconsistent with the rest of the events 00:16:35 See also the discussion at the end of https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12230#c25 00:20:24 Topic: things to have done prior to last-call entry 00:20:38 What are some of the bugs we'd like to have addressed before last call? 00:20:56 (Ideally all bugs, but this is not a requirement) 00:21:21 The bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25485 is probably one to address (integration with DOM4) 00:23:32 Gary is cooking up a change to https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25723 at the moment as well... 00:25:01 I want to resolve this https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25683 00:25:16 sicking has joined #webapps 00:26:31 even if it's not defined, D3E should define browsers MAY delay to fire some events and they become non-cancelable events. 00:31:00 Makes sense. 00:33:04 Let's now review the email we wanted to send last week: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VqwfHyNDtoOoDzZZ7xZlrcxtcy8ZORV1pUoRjRbwJro/edit?pli=1 00:33:38 The feedback we got was that some of the prose here is very useful for a conceptual understanding of the algorithms in DOM4. 00:35:54 We could consider leaving in (after cleaning up) section 3, while removing only section 4 (the basic event interfaces) 00:36:26 Section 4 has an intro graphic which was helpful showing the event's hierarchy 00:37:13 But then, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4 are all redundant. 00:42:52 4.5 also (I noticed that IE adds createEvent to SVGSvgElement 00:43:02 ... but no other browser does this) 00:46:44 IE supports event constructor, why is it added to SVGSvgElement? I think that this should be legacy and browsers shouldn't add support range if there are no resonable reasons. 00:47:55 E.g., for improving compatibility with other browsers. 00:54:50 (garykac is fixing Fig. 2 right now.) 00:56:50 lmclister has joined #webapps 01:01:49 Proposal for https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25485 is to... 01:02:28 Remove the formal IDL definitions of sections 4.1, .2, .3, .4, and .5 01:02:45 2) Move the hierarchy diagram into section 3 01:03:02 3) Run an editorial pass over section 3 to make it officially non-normative 01:03:19 (remove the MUST and MAY text in favor of "can" and "might", etc.) 01:03:36 (easy reading explainer) 01:04:46 We may want a non-normative replacement for the API definitions of DOM4, so that we can cross-link within our document without requiring the reader to leave the spec entirely for the definitions. 01:05:02 (Sorry: the IDL definitions currently in section 4) 01:07:32 It sounds like we no longer need to send the email out. 01:07:48 Since we're going to keep the sections, and only remove the redundant stuff. 01:12:16 Let's see if we can tackle some remaining bugs, and then the editors will attempt this next monday. 01:13:06 Does anyone have a conflict with another DOM 3 Events telecon next week? 01:14:35 no problem 01:14:42 karl has joined #webapps 01:17:45 See everyone next week - we're hoping (once again) to have most of the bugs resolved by then. 01:17:59 I'll finish up figure 2 (and update the spec to remove the "issue") 01:23:34 rrsagent, make the minutes 01:23:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-webapps-minutes.html Travis 01:23:47 rrsagent, make logs public 01:37:38 sicking has joined #webapps 01:42:39 tantek has joined #webapps 01:43:00 lgombos has joined #webapps 01:46:22 Sirisian has joined #webapps 02:15:27 lgombos has joined #webapps 02:37:49 lmclister has joined #webapps 02:46:08 lgombos has joined #webapps 03:01:49 karl has joined #webapps 03:03:12 karl has joined #webapps 03:40:23 jungkees has joined #webapps 04:12:45 lgombos has joined #webapps 04:25:21 lgombos has joined #webapps 05:29:49 xiaoqian has joined #webapps 06:26:39 jcraig has joined #webapps 06:29:52 lmclister has joined #webapps 06:40:44 karl has joined #webapps 06:42:47 skddc has joined #webapps 06:49:12 jcraig has joined #webapps 06:53:45 xiaoqian_ has joined #webapps 06:56:03 siusin__ has joined #webapps 07:15:51 dka has joined #webapps 07:18:35 richt has joined #webapps 08:05:39 chaals has joined #webapps 08:30:05 Lachy has joined #webapps 09:16:21 skddc has joined #webapps 09:22:15 Lachy has joined #webapps 09:37:28 Garbee has joined #webapps 09:51:12 Lachy_ has joined #webapps 09:57:30 Lachy__ has joined #webapps 10:13:19 abarsto has joined #webapps 10:26:47 darobin has joined #webapps 11:16:56 Zakim has left #webapps 11:25:29 chaals has joined #webapps 11:29:13 RRSAgent, make minutes 11:29:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-webapps-minutes.html ArtB 11:29:33 chaals has joined #webapps 11:36:33 rrsagent, bye 11:36:33 I see no action items