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13:26:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:26:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:26:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:26:34 <trackbot> Date: 21 May 2014
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13:28:29 <sharper> trackbot, start meeting
13:28:29 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
13:28:29 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:28:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:28:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:28:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:28:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:28:34 <trackbot> Date: 21 May 2014
13:28:49 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:28:49 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:28:51 <sharper> Agenda+ F2F 2014 [sharper]
13:28:52 <sharper> Agenda+ Accessible Wayfinding [sharper]
13:28:54 <sharper> Agenda+ Symposia Ideas [all]
13:28:55 <sharper> Agenda+ Catalogue Items [all]
13:28:57 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/open [sharper]
13:28:58 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Symposium Topic [sharper]
13:28:59 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Catalogue Topic [sharper]
13:29:00 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Any Other Business 	 [sharper]
13:29:05 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
13:29:11 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-rd-agenda.rdf
13:29:15 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
13:29:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:29:29 <Vivienne> zakiml, IPcaller is me
13:29:31 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
13:29:31 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
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13:29:36 <sharper> Last weeks - and previous minutes can be found at:
13:29:37 <sharper>     - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/minutes-history>
13:29:38 <sharper> Keep on-top of scribing at:
13:29:39 <sharper>     - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
13:29:40 <sharper> Scribing Commands:
13:29:41 <sharper>     - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Weekly_Call_Scribing>
13:29:59 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:29:59 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:30:00 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:30:38 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:30:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], Shadi
13:30:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
13:30:57 <annika> annika has joined #rd
13:30:57 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is Vivienne
13:30:58 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
13:30:59 <markel> markel has joined #rd
13:31:08 <silvia_mirri> silvia_mirri has joined #rd
13:31:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:31:28 <sloandr> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
13:31:28 <Zakim> +sloandr; got it
13:31:45 <Zakim> +??P7
13:31:53 <christos> christos has joined #rd
13:31:53 <silvia_mirri> Zakim, IPcaller is me
13:31:54 <Zakim> +silvia_mirri; got it
13:32:02 <markel> zakim, ??P7 is markel
13:32:02 <Zakim> +markel; got it
13:32:05 <silvia_mirri> zakim, mute me
13:32:05 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should now be muted
13:32:07 <Zakim> +??P9
13:32:11 <sloandr> zakim, mute me
13:32:11 <Zakim> sloandr should now be muted
13:32:32 <annika> zakim, ??P9 is me
13:32:32 <Zakim> +annika; got it
13:32:36 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:32:36 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:32:39 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:32:39 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:32:54 <Zakim> +??P12
13:33:01 <shadi> ack me
13:33:08 <silvia_mirri> hi
13:33:13 <sharper> zakim, ??P12 is sharper
13:33:13 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:33:16 <silvia_mirri> thank you! :)
13:33:44 <silvia_mirri> yes, I'm fine!
13:33:54 <Zakim> +??P8
13:34:05 <christos> zakim, ??P8 is me
13:34:05 <Zakim> +christos; got it
13:34:28 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:34:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vivienne (muted), Shadi, sloandr (muted), silvia_mirri (muted), markel, annika (muted), sharper, christos
13:35:12 <sloandr> there are helicopters flying around outside my house - so I will stay muted as much as possible :)
13:35:30 <sloandr> I can do that
13:36:22 <sloandr> zakim, close item 1
13:36:22 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
13:36:24 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:36:24 <Zakim> 2. F2F 2014 [from sharper]
13:36:29 <sloandr> zakim, take up next item
13:36:29 <Zakim> agendum 2. "F2F 2014" taken up [from sharper]
13:36:59 <sloandr> Not enough people available to take part in a F2F meeting at ICCHP this July
13:37:13 <sloandr> So this plan is not going ahead
13:37:42 <sloandr> zakim, take up next item
13:37:42 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Accessible Wayfinding" taken up [from sharper]
13:37:49 <Vivienne> zakim, ack me
13:37:49 <Zakim> unmuting Vivienne
13:37:50 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:38:53 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:38:53 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:39:42 <sloandr> Vivienne - has received enquiry from an organization involved in a new hospital project on means of accessible way finding methods, QR codes, iBeacons mentioned as possible methods.
13:41:04 <sloandr> Vivienne - such wayfinding methods need to be easy to use and reliable given high cognitive load some users may experience
13:42:16 <sloandr> Vivienne - lack of information on accessibility of some wayfinding methods, but opportunities exist for using smartphones and tablet devices
13:42:50 <annika> q+
13:42:51 <sloandr> Vivienne - has started a catalogue of information on accessibility and wayfinding methods
13:42:55 <christos> q+
13:43:09 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:43:09 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:44:29 <sloandr> christos - has experience of developing a wayfinding app for outdoor navigation and identifying accessible places in a particular location
13:46:23 <sloandr> christos - other similar apps exist. Most use a similar approach - looking at accessibility *of* places. Question of how to aggregate and integrate location information that different apps hold?
13:47:17 <sloandr> christos - this work has connections with Web of Things, and augmented reality
13:48:32 <shadi> q+
13:48:36 <sharper> ack a
13:48:41 <shadi> q- chris
13:48:45 <sloandr> christos - this is an interesting area to do more work in
13:49:47 <sloandr> annika - there is a project that worked on a smartphone app making it easier for blind/visually impaired people to acquire a target such as a QR code
13:50:28 <sloandr> annika - has worked on a project investigating support for navigation by older people; has done literature review in this area
13:50:58 <sloandr> annika - need to establish a focus on how this relates to web accessibility
13:51:23 <sharper> ack sh
13:51:25 <sloandr> annika - agree that augmented reality is another important area of study
13:51:25 <shadi> ack me
13:51:28 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:51:29 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:51:43 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/geo/XGR-geo-ont-20071023/
13:52:00 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2014/03/lgd/
13:52:00 <sloandr> shadi - agree with annika and christos. In addition, there is a geospatial angle to this area of research
13:52:19 <sloandr> shadi - looking at outputs of this work would be useful
13:53:46 <sloandr> shadi - wayfinding seems to be an application of several different areas of research coming together. Is there a need for some catalogue items to be more foundational, covering each contributing topic?
13:54:13 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:54:13 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:54:52 <Vivienne> q+
13:54:56 <sharper> ack v
13:54:58 <Vivienne> zakim, ack me
13:54:58 <christos> q+
13:54:59 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:55:02 <sloandr> sharper - is accessible wayfinding a good symposium topic?
13:55:32 <shadi> shadi has left #rd
13:55:34 <sloandr> vivienne - keen to work on this as a topic, will need some help
13:55:37 <shadi> shadi has joined #rd
13:55:38 <sharper> ack c
13:55:57 <annika> q+
13:56:05 <sloandr> christos - would be interested in contributing too
13:56:44 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
13:56:44 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
13:56:59 <shadi> +1 possibly a strucutred discussion to pursue
13:56:59 <shadi> ack me
13:57:25 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:57:25 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:57:33 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
13:57:44 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sharper (100%)
13:58:03 <Vivienne> I stuck the title up under the catalogue titles today
13:58:15 <Vivienne> sure, happy to do that
13:58:16 <christos> yes
13:58:19 <shadi> thanks Vivienne
13:58:24 <annika> me too
13:58:29 <Vivienne> thanks Annika
13:58:38 <shadi> [[also relates to accessible maps item]]
13:58:40 <shadi> ack me
13:58:42 <Vivienne> Annika wants to help also
13:58:46 <sharper> ack an
13:58:50 <annika> ack me
13:58:53 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:58:53 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:59:23 <sloandr> RESOLVED: develop a catalogue topic on accessible wayfinding as a precursor to a symposium
13:59:31 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:59:31 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:59:54 <Vivienne> That's great.  I'll get something up on the catalogue topic entry in the next couple of days and we three can all add to it
14:00:01 <shadi> ack me
14:00:25 <sloandr> ACTION: vivienne, christos and annika to work on developing accessible wayfinding catalogue topic
14:00:25 <trackbot> Error finding 'vivienne,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/users>.
14:00:56 <sloandr> zakim, close item 3
14:00:56 <Zakim> agendum 3, Accessible Wayfinding, closed
14:00:57 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:00:57 <Zakim> 4. Symposia Ideas [from all via sharper]
14:00:58 <sloandr> zakim, take up item 4
14:00:58 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Symposia Ideas" taken up [from all via sharper]
14:01:12 <sloandr> zakim, close item 2
14:01:12 <Zakim> agendum 2, F2F 2014, closed
14:01:13 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:01:14 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:01:14 <Zakim> 4. Symposia Ideas [from all via sharper]
14:01:14 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:02:02 <sloandr> sharper - we could contact W3C community and business groups for future symposia ideas
14:02:43 <sloandr> sharper - need to develop other symposia ideas. For example look at catalogue topics and rank them in order of priority
14:03:08 <Vivienne> q+
14:03:21 <Vivienne> zakim, ack me
14:03:21 <Zakim> unmuting Vivienne
14:03:21 <sharper> ack v
14:03:22 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:03:27 <sloandr> sharper - does anyone have contacts in industry that might suggest symposium topics?
14:03:56 <sloandr> vivienne - ePublishing is a possible topic, discussed at W4A
14:04:52 <Vivienne> q+
14:04:59 <sharper> ack viv
14:05:16 <shadi> q+
14:05:22 <shadi> ack me
14:05:22 <sharper> ack s
14:05:58 <sloandr> vivienne - added epublishing content to wiki but edits don't seem to have been persistent
14:06:46 <sloandr> I'm interested in ePublishing too; happy to work on this once TC4R is finished
14:07:20 <markel> chet cooper
14:07:32 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:07:32 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:07:37 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:07:37 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:07:41 <sloandr> shadi - Chet Cooper at Ability Magazine is interested in this topic too
14:08:13 <Vivienne> q+
14:08:17 <sharper> ack v
14:08:17 <Vivienne> ack me
14:08:47 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:08:47 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:08:52 <sloandr> vivienne - will add information to wiki, and then see who else is interested in developing this topic further
14:09:03 <shadi> ack me
14:09:20 <Vivienne> I found a quote from Judy Brewer about the ePub3 standard
14:09:44 <sloandr> shadi - there is ongoing work on ePublishing within W3C - not sure what the accessibility research challenges are.
14:10:06 <Vivienne> q+
14:10:15 <Vivienne> zakim, ack me
14:10:15 <Zakim> unmuting Vivienne
14:10:16 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:10:21 <sloandr> Are ePublishing authoring tools and authoring workflow a possible topic?
14:10:39 <Vivienne> q+
14:11:03 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:11:03 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:11:23 <sharper> ack v
14:11:36 <sloandr> shadi - current areas of investigation include CSS and pagination. Haven't yet heard accessibility questions, but lack of clarity in this area suggests there is scope for RDWG gathering information.
14:11:38 <shadi> +1 Dave - yes,  I think relates to ATAG as well
14:12:14 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:12:14 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:12:43 <Zakim> -silvia_mirri
14:13:40 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/community/sensorweb/participants
14:14:16 <sloandr> sharper - also looking at sensors group. Could this feed into the wayfinding activity, or is this something big enough to be a separate symposium?
14:14:37 <shadi> q+
14:14:41 <shadi> ack me
14:14:43 <sharper> ack shad
14:14:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:14:58 <sloandr> sharper - any thoughts on symposia topics, please share them with the group
14:15:17 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:15:17 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:15:19 <sloandr> shadi - sensors are a sub-part of Web of Things
14:15:26 <sloandr> zakim, close item 4
14:15:26 <Zakim> agendum 4, Symposia Ideas, closed
14:15:27 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:15:27 <Zakim> 5. Catalogue Items [from all via sharper]
14:15:28 <silvia_mirri_> silvia_mirri_ has joined #rd
14:15:33 <sloandr> zakim, take up item 5
14:15:33 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Catalogue Items" taken up [from all via sharper]
14:15:33 <silvia_mirri_> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:15:35 <Zakim> +silvia_mirri_; got it
14:15:40 <silvia_mirri_> zakim, mute me
14:15:40 <Zakim> silvia_mirri_ should now be muted
14:16:01 <shadi> ack me
14:16:19 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Topics
14:16:30 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:16:30 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:16:51 <sloandr> shadi - prioritisation of category topics - may be some suggestions in last week's meeting minutes, but otherwise nothing formal
14:17:41 <sloandr> sharper - plans to clean up Research Topics page to clarify suggestions for future; to help group create a Top 10 list of topics to address going forward
14:18:18 <Joshue> Joshue has joined #rd
14:18:18 <Vivienne> sounds fine
14:18:27 <markel> yes
14:19:08 <annika> +1
14:19:09 <sloandr> sharper - RDWG members should agree on an ordered list of most important 10 topics to cover. Members could write a list without consulting the wiki, or consult the list that's currently there
14:19:11 <silvia_mirri_> fine also for me
14:19:11 <christos> +!
14:19:14 <sloandr> +1 for me
14:19:25 <markel> isn't a list of 10 too long?
14:20:28 <markel> discussion sounds good to me
14:20:30 <sloandr> RESOLVED: All RDWG members to contribute list of top 5 (at least) research topics that RDWG should focus on
14:20:48 <sloandr> zakim, close item 5
14:20:48 <Zakim> agendum 5, Catalogue Items, closed
14:20:49 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:20:49 <Zakim> 6. STANDING  - https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/open [from sharper]
14:21:18 <sloandr> q+
14:21:23 <sloandr> zakim, ack me
14:21:23 <Zakim> unmuting sloandr
14:21:23 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:21:25 <sharper> ack s
14:22:53 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:22:53 <Zakim> Vivienne was already muted, Vivienne
14:23:35 <sloandr> TC4R note work is making good progress; draft planned for 2 weeks time
14:24:29 <Vivienne> thanks all, good night
14:24:30 <sloandr> sharper - plans to link together related published work from RDWG
14:24:31 <markel> bye
14:24:40 <shadi> ack me
14:24:41 <silvia_mirri_> bye, thank you!
14:24:41 <Zakim> -markel
14:24:42 <Zakim> -Vivienne
14:24:44 <annika> bye
14:24:45 <markel> markel has left #rd
14:24:46 <sloandr> zakim, close item 6
14:24:46 <Zakim> agendum 6, STANDING  - https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/open, closed
14:24:48 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:24:48 <Zakim> 7. STANDING  - Next Symposium Topic [from sharper]
14:24:50 <Zakim> -sharper
14:24:51 <Zakim> -christos
14:24:51 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:24:52 <Zakim> -sloandr
14:24:54 <Zakim> -annika
14:24:54 <sharper> sharper has left #rd
14:25:36 <sloandr> shadi, will you process the minutes or will I?
14:25:51 <sloandr> I haven't done this part before :)
14:27:24 <sloandr> rrsagent, make logs public
14:27:35 <sloandr> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:27:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-rd-minutes.html sloandr
14:27:47 <sloandr> zakim, please part
14:27:47 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Shadi, Vivienne, sloandr, silvia_mirri, markel, annika, sharper, christos, silvia_mirri_
14:27:47 <Zakim> Zakim has left #rd
14:27:59 <sloandr> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:27:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-rd-minutes.html sloandr
14:28:07 <sloandr> rrsagent, please part
14:28:07 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-rd-actions.rdf :
14:28:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: vivienne, christos and annika to work on developing accessible wayfinding catalogue topic [1]
14:28:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-rd-irc#T14-00-25