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15:59:21 <ArtB> Scribe: Art
15:59:26 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
15:59:27 <xiaoqian> ScribeNick: ArtB
15:59:43 <ArtB> Meeting: WebApps / Web Components
15:59:48 <ArtB> Chair: Dimitri
15:59:50 <xiaoqian> Scribe: Art
16:00:03 <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0488.html
16:01:04 <Zakim> RWC_WAPI()12:00PM has now started
16:01:11 <Zakim> + +1.650.214.aaaa
16:01:29 <Zakim> +Art_Barstow
16:01:42 <ArtB> zakim, aaaa is Dimitri
16:01:43 <Zakim> +Dimitri; got it
16:02:21 <dglazkov> Agenda items:
16:02:26 <ArtB> https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/Meetings#Meeting_Scribes -> Scribe cheat sheet
16:02:43 <dglazkov> * Shadow DOM survey result: https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-SQX77WF/
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16:02:56 <ArtB> Topic: Agenda bashing
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16:03:09 <ArtB> Scribe+ Dimitri
16:03:18 <ArtB> ScribeNick+ dglazkov
16:03:47 <dglazkov> * Shadow DOM survey results: ttps://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-SQX77WF/
16:03:49 <Zakim> +Domenic_
16:04:02 <Domenic> Zakim, Domenic_ is me
16:04:02 <Zakim> +Domenic; got it
16:04:04 <dglazkov> * Cusotm Elements ES6 update: http://w3c.github.io/webcomponents/spec/custom/#es6
16:04:31 <ArtB> Present: Domenic, Dimitri, Art
16:04:35 <dglazkov> s/Cusotm/Custom
16:04:43 <Zakim> + +1.206.612.aabb
16:05:53 <ArtB> zakim, aabb is Deen
16:05:54 <Zakim> +Deen; got it
16:05:58 <ArtB> Present+ Deen
16:06:00 <xiaoqian_> zakim, call xiaoqian-mobile
16:06:00 <Zakim> ok, xiaoqian_; the call is being made
16:06:01 <Zakim> +Xiaoqian
16:06:50 <xiaoqian_> Scribe: Dimitri
16:07:01 <xiaoqian_> ScribeNick: dglazkov
16:07:59 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:07:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
16:08:22 <dglazkov> Present+ Domenic
16:08:41 <dglazkov> Present+ Deen
16:08:47 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log Public
16:08:47 <dglazkov> Present+ dglazkov
16:09:18 <dglazkov> Let's get started?
16:09:30 <dglazkov> First up: Shadow DOM survey
16:10:05 <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
16:10:11 <ArtB> Topic: Shadow DOM survey
16:10:13 <ArtB> DG: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0398.html
16:10:17 <ArtB> … 20 responses
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16:10:36 <ArtB> … want to get feedback from those actually using Shadow DOM
16:10:47 <ArtB> … not sure  how trustworthy the results are
16:10:57 <ArtB> … but the top 4-5 have the most weight
16:11:12 <ArtB> … first item is significant
16:11:44 <ArtB> … closed shadow trees was very low vote even though we talked about it; thus, it appears developers don't care much about it
16:12:05 <ArtB> DG: results are https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-SQX77WF/
16:12:37 <ArtB> DD: need to clarify some definitions
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16:13:37 <Domenic> In particular, wondering about shadow as function
16:13:41 <dglazkov> http://blog.quickui.org/2013/11/08/filling-slots-in-shadow/
16:13:47 <ArtB> … that is, need clarification on "shadow-as-function"
16:14:08 <ArtB> DG: currently, older shadow is one participant
16:14:20 <ArtB> … how distributed elements interact
16:14:50 <ArtB> … shadow-as-function give special argument style where contents is distributed into shadow tree
16:15:11 <ArtB> DD: related to imperative API?
16:15:17 <ArtB> DG: no, this about distribution
16:15:42 <ArtB> … imperative API is ranked #6 in the survey
16:15:57 <ArtB> … I would like to work on that but not a high priority for devs based on the survey
16:16:07 <ArtB> … so I think I'll focus on the other items
16:16:31 <ArtB> DD: encapsulation is important to encapsulate video tag (for Servo)
16:16:50 <ArtB> DG: yeah, the devs and implementers have diff priorities
16:16:59 <ArtB> … this survey was targeted at devs
16:17:18 <ArtB> DD: some of the stuff in the middle is more conceptual
16:17:32 <ArtB> … and thus isn't necessarily a high prio for devs or implementers
16:17:58 <ArtB> … clear theming support is the highest prio
16:18:15 <ArtB> DG: think surveys like this can be helpful for other topics
16:18:23 <ArtB> … pleased to see 20 responses
16:18:41 <ArtB> … if there were only 5 or less, I'd be concerned
16:19:01 <ArtB> … if too small a sample, it raises questions on validity
16:19:38 <ArtB> AB: nice to see this survey
16:19:47 <ArtB> … this was the first time we used one
16:19:53 <ArtB> DD: yes agree the survey was good
16:20:09 <ArtB> Topic: ES6 and Custom Elements
16:20:23 <ArtB> DG: did some work with Arv re ES6 and Custom Elements
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16:20:24 <Domenic> wooohooo!!
16:20:46 <dksmith> Found a mobile IRC client... Woot!
16:20:50 <ArtB> DG: spec now is more ES5 but would like to change it to be more aligned with ES6
16:20:50 <dglazkov> http://w3c.github.io/webcomponents/spec/custom/#es6
16:21:13 <ArtB> DG: algorithms in ES6 are much more clear
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16:21:23 <ArtB> … f.ex. throw for some errors
16:21:38 <ArtB> … can now specify things I used to `hand wave` before
16:21:52 <ArtB> … can eliminate a lot of prose
16:22:01 <ArtB> DD: really glad to hear this
16:22:20 <ArtB> … think more Web specs should follow this more precise way to write specs
16:22:31 <ArtB> DG: at one point I thought I should just write JS ;-)
16:22:37 <ArtB> [ laughs … ]
16:23:04 <ArtB> DD: with Promises spec and Streams spec I'm using this same rigor
16:23:37 <ArtB> DG: docRegisterElement in ES6 returns value you gave to it
16:23:55 <ArtB> … this is different behavior; not sure how many people noticed this
16:24:13 <ArtB> DD: how does this fit with class syntax?
16:24:22 <ArtB> DG: fine/ok
16:24:28 <ArtB> … just works
16:24:57 <ArtB> Topic: AoB or Other Agenda Items
16:25:02 <ArtB> DG: anything else?
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16:27:03 <ArtB> AB: there is lots of flexibility re the structure of the meeting
16:27:12 <ArtB> … some meetings can be very bug fixed
16:27:18 <ArtB> DG: yes, I like that
16:27:32 <ArtB> DD: also good to have an opp to understand the bigger picture
16:27:57 <ArtB> AB: I agree Domenic
16:28:33 <ArtB> DKS: would also be helpful to get a review of important bugs
16:28:49 <ArtB> DG: yes, can structure the first part re more general topics
16:28:57 <ArtB> … and then the second part is detailed bugs
16:29:30 <ArtB> DG: one issue is the Shadow DOM Editor and the time of this call
16:29:36 <ArtB> … can we alternate the calls?
16:29:56 <ArtB> … f.ex. one time friendly to US and another friendly to Asia
16:30:03 <ArtB> AB: yes, we can make that happen
16:30:21 <ArtB> DG: another Q/Issue is to get more Web devs to participate
16:30:49 <ArtB> … I was hoping some non-browser people would participate
16:32:27 <Zakim> -Deen
16:32:33 <Zakim> -Xiaoqian
16:32:33 <ArtB> AB: I think the meeting can be organized to facilitate devs participation
16:32:45 <ArtB> … we just need to be careful about the provenance of the contribution
16:33:16 <ArtB> DG: meeting adjourned
16:33:22 <Zakim> -Domenic
16:33:23 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
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16:33:23 <Zakim> -Dimitri
16:33:27 <dglazkov> yay!
16:33:30 <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
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16:33:31 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.214.aaaa, Art_Barstow, Dimitri, Domenic, +1.206.612.aabb, Deen, Xiaoqian
16:33:33 <dglazkov> thank you guys for participating!
16:33:40 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
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16:35:30 <ArtB> Present: Dimitri, Art, Domenic_Denicola, Cindy, Deen
16:35:35 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
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16:36:08 <ArtB> zakim, bye
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16:43:55 <ArtB> RRSAgent, bye
16:43:55 <RRSAgent> I see no action items