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14:58:59 <dbooth> zakim, this will be hcls
14:58:59 <Zakim> ok, dbooth; I see SW_HCLS()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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14:59:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 4257 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), dbooth
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15:05:37 <dbooth> ericp, are you here?
15:08:12 <dbooth> mehmet: want to hear more about RDF for Semantic Interop
15:08:40 <dbooth> ingeborg: Investigating OMOP (Observational Medical Outcomes)
15:10:07 <dbooth> Topic: Ontology developed by Chimezie Ogbuji
15:10:22 <dbooth> Tony: It's POMR (Problem oriented medical records)
15:11:07 <dbooth> ... Interested in looking at an ont that represents FHIR.  not necessarily the transmissions of FHIR payloads, but underpinnings and where it might migrate.  i was looking differently from what Claude and Josh were looking at.
15:11:19 <dbooth> ... Discussed this at HL7 meeting last week.
15:11:59 <dbooth> mehmet: That ontology might be still used in Cleveland Clinic.
15:12:54 <dbooth> Topic: Investigating OMOP
15:13:25 <dbooth> ingeborg: similar to the Sentinal program, but uses a different data model.
15:13:50 <dbooth> ... Would sem web be used to underly and link concepts?
15:14:07 <dbooth> ... Interested in Medra / snomed mapping.  Looks like OMOP may do that.
15:14:51 <dbooth> http://omop.org/
15:15:40 <dbooth> tony: i downloaded the snomed vocab in RDF.  it's huge: 100MB.
15:16:03 <dbooth> ... failed to load in protege -- too big.
15:16:36 <dbooth> ingeborg: they load the entire snomed.  Using oracle create table language.  constrain it to clinical section of snomed.
15:17:11 <dbooth> ACTION: Ingeborg to investigage OMOP and report back
15:17:37 <dbooth> Topic: RDF for Semantic Interop
15:19:16 <Zakim> +EricP
15:20:01 <dbooth> david: who might be interested in RDF for Sem Interop
15:21:34 <dbooth> ... ?
15:21:53 <dbooth> tony: Peter Hendler is working with RDFox triple store
15:22:03 <dbooth> ... From Oxford Univ
15:22:47 <dbooth> ... peter criticized the use of the RIM.
15:22:55 <dbooth> eric: RIM is for expressing any problem.
15:23:43 <dbooth> ... Act relationships are the analogy for how you would express causation
15:24:33 <dbooth> ... They invented a graph, and it had Act relationships, like arcs in RDF, and specialized arcs for roles and participations.
15:25:15 <dbooth> ... Captures who did what to whom, but also captures causation.  TermInfo page talks about how you represent a particular diagnosis with causation and severity -- how to represent it in SNOMED and RIM.
15:25:56 <dbooth> ... Type codes are fairly well debugged, and they're exactly what you're looking for.
15:26:04 <dbooth> Tony: This leads to ORIM
15:26:35 <dbooth> Eric: I worked with Lloyd on the ORIM, and it's just a MIF expressed as RDF.
15:26:48 <dbooth> ... There's the concept of a relatinoship which would be an arc as RDF.
15:27:36 <dbooth> ... Action that's an observation, another that says behavior X was caused by Y.  If you skip the date and other things you can write it as an arc.
15:28:15 <dbooth> tony: Is the relationship modeled as an entity?  An object, as opposed to a property?
15:28:38 <dbooth> eric: Yes, it's an entity with a source, target and a type code.  What we'd like is just that type code.
15:28:49 <dbooth> tony: Where is the ORIM?
15:29:05 <dbooth> eric: I'll dig up a copy from my harddrive.
15:29:28 <dbooth> ... It's on HL7 forge site.
15:30:54 <dbooth> ... Lloyd as done all of the work on it to date.
15:31:32 <dbooth> ... Want to talk about FDA in two weeks.
15:32:54 <Zakim> -Tony
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15:32:56 <Zakim> -Neda
15:32:57 <Zakim> -DBooth
15:33:12 <dbooth> rrsagent, make logs public
15:33:22 <Zakim> -Mehmet
15:33:49 <dbooth> david: I should be able to talk more about the RDF for Sem Interop draft charter next week.  I plan to update it a bit, per discussions so far.
15:34:02 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
15:34:10 <dbooth> Chair: DBooth (by default)
15:34:15 <Zakim> -EricP
15:34:17 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
15:34:17 <Zakim> Attendees were DBooth, +1.202.528.aaaa, +1.469.226.aabb, Mehmet, Ingeborg, Neda, +1.978.794.aacc, Tony, EricP
15:34:20 <dbooth> scribe: dbooth
15:34:44 <dbooth> Present: EricP, Neda, Ingeborg, Tony, Mehmet, David Booth
15:34:50 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:35:21 <dbooth> Meeting: HCLS
15:35:32 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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