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13:59:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
13:59:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
13:59:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:59:54 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2014
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14:00:22 <pchampin> zakim, who is on the phone
14:00:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pchampin
14:00:28 <pchampin> zakim, who is here?
14:00:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P4, ericP, JohnArwe
14:00:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnArwe, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, pchampin, nmihindu, deiu, betehess, stevebattle11110, jmvanel, Arnaud, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP
14:00:33 <pchampin> zakim, ??P4 is me
14:00:33 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
14:00:54 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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14:01:43 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
14:01:44 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
14:01:44 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
14:03:01 <JohnArwe> regrets: andrei, alexandre, sergio
14:03:32 <Arnaud> zakim, who is here?
14:03:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see pchampin, ericP, JohnArwe, Arnaud, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra
14:03:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveS, JohnArwe, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, pchampin, nmihindu, deiu, betehess, stevebattle11110, jmvanel, Arnaud, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP
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14:05:37 <bblfish> oops
14:05:45 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin
14:05:56 <pchampin> topic: minutes of last meeting
14:06:06 <pchampin>  http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-05-12
14:06:25 <pchampin> PROPOSED: approve the minute of last minutes
14:06:36 <Zakim> +bblfish
14:06:46 <pchampin> arnaud: we closed some issues re. paging
14:06:47 <SteveS> I just clicked on link
14:07:02 <pchampin> RESOLVED: approve the minute of last minutes
14:07:23 <pchampin> arnaud: can we meet next week?
14:07:53 <JohnArwe> SteveS: in US, national holiday (Memorial Day)
14:08:37 <JohnArwe> ...pchampin: also the EU semantic web conference
14:08:41 <pchampin> ... it is US memorial day, and in Europe, this is during ESWC
14:09:08 <pchampin> arnaud: so let's skip next week; next meeting on June 2nd
14:09:12 <Zakim> +??P26
14:09:29 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P26 is me
14:09:29 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
14:09:35 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
14:09:35 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
14:09:47 <pchampin> topic: tracking of actions and issues
14:10:50 <pchampin> ashok_malhotra: Henry and I have been working on the paging
14:10:55 <pchampin> ... would like some feedback
14:11:35 <pchampin> topic: LDP spec
14:12:12 <pchampin> arnaud: waiting for director's approval to move from CR
14:12:48 <pchampin> s/from CR/to CR/
14:13:05 <pchampin> ... but that should not discourage people to work on implementation
14:13:19 <pchampin> ... there will be no major change now
14:14:00 <pchampin> ... We need 2 implementations, and we expire soon.
14:14:05 <Ashok> s/paging/Access Control/
14:14:20 <pchampin> ... We will ask for an extension.
14:15:15 <pchampin> Arnaud: the only pending comment is from Guido about the null relative URI
14:15:24 <pchampin> topic: Status update
14:17:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:17:31 <pchampin> SteveS: moving on
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14:18:12 <SteveS> Zakim, [IPcaller] is roger
14:18:12 <Zakim> +roger; got it
14:18:17 <pchampin> Arnaud: are tests from Raul integrated? he claimed to check all the invariants (MUST) from the spec
14:20:42 <pchampin> SteveS: they are integrated, except for IndirectContainer tests
14:21:11 <pchampin> Arnaud: we welcome contribution to the test suite, but how do we decide when the test suite is complete?
14:22:06 <pchampin> ... what is left to do
14:22:34 <pchampin> SteveS: it is fairly complete for RDF sources, Basic containers and Direct containers,
14:22:56 <pchampin> ... but a few cases here and there are missing (inc. non-RDF sources)
14:23:49 <Ashok> q+
14:24:01 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
14:24:01 <pchampin> EricP: often during CR, we get questions, to which the answer is a new test
14:25:03 <pchampin> ashok: don't we want a test for every RFC2119 keyword?
14:25:13 <pchampin> SteveS: this is basically the idea
14:26:25 <pchampin> EricP: then depending on the SHOULD's and MAY's you chose to implement, you have to run a certain subset of the tests
14:26:58 <pchampin> ... It would be difficult to go to CR if we don't test all the MUST's
14:28:36 <pchampin> Arnaud: we agreed to have a link from the spec to the test suite, which will have its own status
14:29:42 <pchampin> EricP: for Turtle, we advertised the test suite as complete while we had one implementation (from withing the WG) that passed all the tests
14:29:59 <pchampin> ... but then we had to add a few afterwards, to remove some ambiguity
14:30:15 <pchampin> Arnaud: who is using the test suite, beyond SteveS?
14:30:29 <bblfish> I'll try to get going on the test suite in the next few weeks
14:30:40 <SteveS> I haven’t heard any feedback, Sergio I think has played with it a bit
14:32:16 <pchampin> EricP: Steve, how far do you think you are?
14:32:56 <pchampin> SteveS: it is rather complete (even if it can still be improved)
14:33:29 <Zakim> +??P30
14:33:43 <pchampin> Arnaud: we could prompt Sergio for an update by an e-mail
14:33:45 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P30 is me
14:33:45 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
14:33:53 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
14:33:53 <Zakim> nmihindu was already muted, nmihindu
14:34:37 <pchampin> ... I don't want to block the CR transition for this
14:35:35 <SteveS> nmihindu, have you had a chance to look at ldp-testsuite?
14:35:47 <pchampin> ... By the time the document gets publish, we will hopefully be done.
14:36:32 <pchampin> subtopic: access-control
14:36:54 <pchampin> ashok: I'm happy with the current state of the page
14:37:06 <pchampin> ... We would like other people from the WG to comment on it.
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14:38:04 <bblfish> q+
14:38:28 <Zakim> +??P31
14:38:35 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:38:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p13 is me
14:38:41 <Zakim> I already had ??P13 as SteveS, BartvanLeeuwen
14:38:45 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p31 is me
14:38:45 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
14:39:00 <pchampin> Arnaud: Ted has already an action to do that
14:39:08 <pchampin> Ashok: I'll also ask Serena to have a look
14:39:34 <nmihindu> SteveS, we are planning to publish our LDP impl, LDP4j, available this week and  we will try to use ldp-testsuite for testing the conformance
14:39:44 <bblfish> can't find the wiki page
14:40:11 <bblfish> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl
14:40:17 <pchampin> Arnaud: Ashok will reformat the wiki page in Respec, so that by June 2nd we can vote on it
14:40:27 <SteveS> nmihindu, ok good
14:40:43 <bblfish> Ah found it : https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/AccessControl
14:41:12 <pchampin> Ashok: at the end of the page, I propose a charter for an Access Control WG; is it ok?
14:41:20 <pchampin> Arnaud: yes, this is a good idea
14:41:46 <nmihindu> Arnaud, I can follow up with him via email to check
14:41:51 <pchampin> subtopic: Best Practice and Guidelines
14:42:01 <nmihindu> Arnaud, there was one issue about relative URIs
14:42:36 <pchampin> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-bp/ldp-bp.html
14:42:44 <pchampin> SteveS: I think Cody sent an e-mail saying that the document was ready for review by the WG
14:42:55 <bblfish> I think it is better to wait
14:43:11 <pchampin> Arnaud: do we want to publish it now, or wait until June 2nd?
14:43:30 <bblfish> I'd like to read it
14:43:57 <pchampin> ... It has already been reviewed. Is anyone planning to reviewit by then?
14:44:25 <SteveS> Cody’s email on April 27th “Status of BP&G” http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Apr/0086.html
14:44:26 <nmihindu> Miguel did a very thorough review on it
14:45:05 <pchampin> bblfish: I'd like to read it by June 2nd
14:45:15 <pchampin> Arnaud: ok, then we'll vote on June 2nd
14:45:19 <pchampin> subtopic: Primer
14:45:38 <pchampin> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/ldp-primer/ldp-primer.html
14:46:08 <bblfish> q+
14:46:10 <pchampin> Roger: got feedback from Ashok and Henry
14:46:13 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:46:25 <pchampin> ... It is not quite finished, but we are getting there.
14:47:31 <pchampin> bblfish: as many people as possible should review this document, as it where most LDP users will start
14:47:43 <nmihindu> yes, we welcome all the feedback and we will surely address them as soon possible
14:47:44 <pchampin> Arnaud: I agree, but we must progress
14:48:00 <pchampin> subtopic: 209 status
14:48:21 <pchampin> EricP: no progress, but I'll hopefully be able to work on it next week
14:48:30 <pchampin> subtopic: paging
14:48:40 <JohnArwe> I put the list of outstanding resolutions into the prolog.
14:48:46 <pchampin> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-paging.html
14:49:55 <pchampin> subtopic: LD-Patch
14:52:31 <pchampin> https://github.com/pchampin/rdfpatch/
14:53:06 <pchampin> pchampin: the syntax is quite stable now
14:53:23 <pchampin> ... available in the README in the github repository above
14:53:36 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
14:53:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx bye
14:53:47 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
14:53:49 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
14:53:53 <pchampin> ... We'll hopefully port it in the mercurial repo during the next 2 weeks
14:53:53 <Zakim> -SteveS
14:53:54 <Zakim> -ericP
14:53:55 <Zakim> -bblfish
14:53:56 <Zakim> -roger
14:53:58 <Zakim> -nmihindu.a
14:53:59 <pchampin> Arnaud: meeting adjourned
14:53:59 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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