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13:47:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
13:47:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML A11Y)9:00AM scheduled to start 47 minutes ago
13:47:46 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:47:47 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2014
13:48:01 <MarkS> trackbot, associate this channel with #html-a11y
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13:54:23 <MarkS> zakim, this is WAI_HTML AT
13:54:23 <Zakim> sorry, MarkS, I do not see a conference named 'WAI_HTML AT' in progress or scheduled at this time
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13:59:43 <MarkS> zakim, this is WAI_HTML AT
13:59:43 <Zakim> sorry, MarkS, I do not see a conference named 'WAI_HTML AT' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:00:43 <MarkS> zakim, room for 10?
14:00:44 <Zakim> ok, MarkS; conference Team_(html-a11y-media)14:00Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1500Z
14:01:11 <Zakim> Team_(html-a11y-media)14:00Z has now started
14:01:18 <Zakim> +Mark_Sadecki
14:01:20 <MarkS> zakim, room for 10?
14:01:20 <Zakim> MarkS, an adhoc conference was scheduled here less than 2 minutes ago
14:01:24 <MarkS> zakim, this is WAI_HTML AT
14:01:24 <Zakim> MarkS, I see WAI_HTML AT()11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be WAI_HTML AT".
14:01:36 <MarkS> zakim, this is will be WAI_HTML AT
14:01:36 <Zakim> sorry, MarkS, I do not see a conference named 'will be WAI_HTML AT' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:01:40 <MarkS> agenda?
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14:01:55 <MarkS> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Media Sub-Group
14:01:55 <MarkS> Chair: Mark Sadecki
14:01:55 <MarkS> agenda+ Identify Scribe
14:01:55 <MarkS> agenda+ Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments
14:01:56 <MarkS> agenda+ Update on Bug 13437 from John
14:01:57 <MarkS> agenda+ TV & Web: Use Cases and Requirements
14:02:26 <MarkS> janina, wuwei, the code is 26631 again
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14:02:49 <MarkS> I shaneM, the code is 26631
14:03:01 <MarkS> despite what the agenda says (Zakim scheduling snafu)
14:03:07 <Zakim> +McCarron
14:03:17 <ShaneM> zakim, I am McCarron
14:03:17 <Zakim> ok, ShaneM, I now associate you with McCarron
14:04:32 <Zakim> +WuWei
14:05:56 <MarkS> rrsagent, make minutes
14:05:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/19-html-a11y-media-minutes.html MarkS
14:06:30 <janina> zakim, code?
14:06:30 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina
14:06:53 <Zakim> +??P25
14:07:05 <janina> zakim, ??P25 is me
14:07:05 <Zakim> +janina; got it
14:07:53 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:07:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from MarkS]
14:08:14 <ShaneM> ScribeNick: ShaneM
14:08:14 <MarkS> scribe: ShaneM
14:08:23 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:08:23 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, MarkS
14:08:36 <MarkS> zakim, close item 1
14:08:36 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:08:36 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
14:08:38 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:08:38 <Zakim> 2. Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments [from MarkS]
14:08:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Processing Media Accessibility User Requirements Comments" taken up [from MarkS]
14:09:13 <ShaneM> MarkS: Updated the document with things agreed upon to date.  Cross referenced and identified a few we had either missed or are new.
14:09:54 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/MAUR_Comment_Processing#In_Progress
14:10:14 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/comments/details?comment_id=375
14:11:25 <ShaneM> MarkS: talked with christian and sylvia and agreed to keep the requirements on ecc  in there, but did not make the section less vague.
14:11:38 <ShaneM> janina: James thinks the section is too vague?
14:11:45 <ShaneM> MarkS: No - the note after it.
14:12:11 <ShaneM> janina: Do we even need that note?  We don't need to propose solutions in a Note document like this.
14:12:39 <ShaneM> MarkS: I like that solution
14:13:34 <ShaneM> ... there are items that have notes and items that do not.  We don't need to be consistent by maintaining this note.
14:13:40 <ShaneM> No objections.
14:13:56 <ShaneM> RESOLUTION: Remove the note from ECC4
14:14:24 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-accessibility-reqs/#KA-1
14:14:27 <ShaneM> Next comment from James was 4.1 - KA1
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14:14:45 <JF> zakim, what is the code?
14:14:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), JF
14:14:59 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#def-focusable-element
14:15:04 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
14:15:13 <ShaneM> He requested that we define unique focus object.  We do not have a definition for it.
14:15:37 <ShaneM> ... maybe point to something in UAAG.
14:15:37 <JF> Zakim, John_Foliot is JF
14:15:37 <Zakim> +JF; got it
14:16:07 <ShaneM> janina: Lets point to their definition.
14:16:13 <ShaneM> MarkS: The closest is "focusable element"
14:17:02 <ShaneM> ... maybe we should reword so our terminology is more consistent with the UAAG terminology.
14:18:32 <ShaneM> janina: maybe ask UAAG people to recommend the right terminology.
14:18:49 <ShaneM> ...  they submitted comments earlier.  They should continue to be part of the process.
14:19:12 <ShaneM> ... we should not use focusable element - we are not necessarily talking about elements.
14:19:23 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/MAUR_Comment_Processing#In_Progress
14:19:38 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/comments/details?comment_id=375
14:20:46 <MarkS> 4.1 [KA-1] Define "unique focus object"
14:21:16 <ShaneM> ShaneM: This is not an unreasonable request.
14:21:23 <ShaneM> janina: agreed.  what kind of objects are we talking about?
14:21:43 <ShaneM> MarkS: It is a general description for an interface that requires the concept of focus.
14:22:05 <ShaneM> JF: It could be a slider, etc.  a "widget".  Controls.
14:22:13 <ShaneM> janina: anything the user can select or interact with.
14:22:53 <ShaneM> MarkS: We could expand it to talk about focusable element "where focusable elements are employed".
14:23:03 <ShaneM> janina: are we only talkonig about elements?  what about a scrollbar?
14:23:41 <ShaneM> ... the list of translations is probably an element.  I am happy to say element if that covers things.  But we may have to come back to this.
14:23:50 <ShaneM> MarkS: we could say "where focusable elements are present".
14:23:59 <ShaneM> janina: anything a user can interact with needs to be focusable.
14:25:34 <ShaneM> janina: what if we list some examples?  "any elements with which a user may interact"
14:25:52 <ShaneM> JF: What if we list some examples?  "Examples include..."
14:26:09 <ShaneM> janina: We want to ensure that all objects are focusable.
14:26:14 <ShaneM> JF: that is covered in KA-2
14:27:29 <ShaneM> MarkS: We do have access to a definition of "user agent user interface"
14:27:47 <ShaneM> JF: the problem is that you can script your own controls and we need to ensure those are accessible.  that's the problem we are trying to solve.
14:28:31 <ShaneM> MarkS: we could possibly combine some definitions.
14:28:51 <ShaneM> janina: I like the idea of using definitions from the group who is supposed to be paying attention to this.
14:29:35 <MarkS> ACTION: MarkS to talk to UAWG RE Unique Focus Object
14:29:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-249 - Talk to uawg re unique focus object [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-05-26].
14:29:54 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/comments/details?comment_id=450
14:30:21 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/MAUR_Comment_Processing#In_Progress
14:31:55 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/#media-accessibility-checklist
14:32:45 <ShaneM> MarkS: Combine the existing text and the suggested list.
14:32:58 <ShaneM> janina: is the list comprehensive?
14:33:09 <ShaneM> ShaneM: No - but that doesn't mean we shouldn't recommend that people use it.
14:33:34 <ShaneM> MarkS: We could omit the word "directly"...
14:34:11 <ShaneM> RESOLUTION: Add the text from from comment 450 to the intro to section 1.
14:34:30 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/#DV-7
14:35:08 <ShaneM> Commenter asks what "provider" means.
14:35:19 <ShaneM> MarkS: We dont use that term anywhere else.  I think we meant "user".
14:36:18 <ShaneM> ShaneM: Agree we should say user, but note that it is the exact opposite of what it says now.
14:36:57 <ShaneM> RESOLUTION: Change the term "provider" to "user" in DV-7.
14:40:42 <ShaneM> Next comment was about pointing to external examples.
14:41:04 <ShaneM> MarkS: Two links were broken already.  And it may look dated in the future.
14:41:12 <ShaneM> janina: he's correct.  we should not be pointing to 404s
14:41:28 <ShaneM> MarkS: we don't even need to point to examples.  The document defines what success is.
14:43:39 <ShaneM> janina: we do plan on having a resource with good examples
14:44:34 <ShaneM> JF: a good example at WGBH.  Maybe we can get access to that.
14:44:44 <ShaneM> janina: we have interest from lots of places about this.  not worried about it.
14:45:34 <ShaneM> A wiki that demonstrates solutions for each item would be a good resource but we would need to maintain it.
14:45:58 <JF> NCAM example here: http://ncamftp.wgbh.org/rd/quadratic/
14:49:17 <MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13437
14:49:57 <ShaneM> Is this a 5.0 or a 5.1 issue?
14:50:18 <ShaneM> JF: this is more about author education.  it might need to be 5.1
14:50:28 <ShaneM> janina: 5.1 is acceptable.
14:50:34 <ShaneM> MarkS: I am happy with that.
14:50:49 <ShaneM> janina: and btw 5.1 is not that far in the future
14:51:07 <ShaneM> .. 5.1 goes to last call in q4
14:52:05 <ShaneM> let's defer this so we can work on use cases.
14:52:47 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:52:47 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Update on Bug 13437 from John" taken up [from MarkS]
14:52:54 <MarkS> zakim, close item 3
14:52:54 <Zakim> agendum 3, Update on Bug 13437 from John, closed
14:52:55 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:52:55 <Zakim> 4. TV & Web: Use Cases and Requirements [from MarkS]
14:53:01 <MarkS> zakim, take up next item
14:53:01 <Zakim> agendum 4. "TV & Web: Use Cases and Requirements" taken up [from MarkS]
14:53:19 <ShaneM> MarkS: we need to get any use cases submitted by the end of the month.
14:53:47 <ShaneM> ... we need a strategy and then should work via email over the next 11 days.
14:54:11 <ShaneM> ... They have said the would welcome both updated version 1 use cases and new ones.
14:54:39 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases
14:56:05 <MarkS> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/07-html-a11y-media-minutes.html
14:58:54 <ShaneM> JF: I could take on the first four.
14:59:05 <ShaneM> janina: the comments are pretty much the same on all of them.
14:59:19 <ShaneM> MarkS: I can take the comments on the first 7 and turn them into comments.
14:59:27 <ShaneM> JF: I can take on 8-12
14:59:46 <ShaneM> janina: I will look for new ones
15:00:05 <ShaneM> We will meet on Tuesday, May 27
15:00:15 <JF> ACTION: JF to review use-cases 8-12 for Accessibiloity Considerations http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases
15:00:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-250 - Review use-cases 8-12 for accessibiloity considerations http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/media_apis/use_cases [on John Foliot - due 2014-05-26].
15:00:34 <JF> s/accessibiloity/accessibility
15:00:35 <Zakim> -McCarron
15:00:46 <wuwei> bye
15:00:49 <Zakim> -JF
15:00:50 <Zakim> -janina
15:00:58 <Zakim> -WuWei
15:01:05 <MarkS> ACTION: MarkS to turn notes on UC 1-7 into something more formal
15:01:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-251 - Turn notes on uc 1-7 into something more formal [on Mark Sadecki - due 2014-05-26].
15:01:09 <Zakim> -Mark_Sadecki
15:01:10 <Zakim> Team_(html-a11y-media)14:00Z has ended
15:01:10 <Zakim> Attendees were Mark_Sadecki, McCarron, WuWei, janina, JF
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