12:57:36 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:57:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/05/16-dwbp-irc 12:57:47 rrsagent, make logs public 12:57:59 zakim, this will be DWBP 12:57:59 ok, PhilA_; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 12:59:31 MTCarrasco has joined #dwbp 12:59:34 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started 12:59:41 +??P9 12:59:57 zakim, ??P9 is me 12:59:57 +MTCarrasco; got it 13:00:11 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:00:52 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 13:00:55 markharrison has joined #dwbp 13:01:17 JoaoPauloAlmeida has joined #dwbp 13:01:37 +[IPcaller] 13:01:43 +[IPcaller.a] 13:01:45 yaso_ has joined #dwbp 13:01:49 zakim, ipcaller.a is me 13:01:49 +PhilA; got it 13:01:54 +[IPcaller] 13:01:56 +Caroline 13:02:01 Zakim, Caroline is Yaso 13:02:01 +Yaso; got it 13:02:05 zaki, ipcaller is me 13:02:09 EricKauz has joined #DWBP 13:02:14 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:02:14 +laufer; got it 13:02:15 zakim, who is here? 13:02:17 On the phone I see MTCarrasco, antoine, PhilA, Yaso, laufer 13:02:17 On IRC I see EricKauz, yaso_, JoaoPauloAlmeida, markharrison, Caroline_, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, PhilA, laufer, ivan, trackbot 13:02:17 + +44.122.333.aaaa 13:02:22 Zakim, yaso has Caroline 13:02:22 +Caroline; got it 13:02:28 zakim, aaaa is markharrison 13:02:28 +markharrison; got it 13:02:33 -Yaso 13:02:39 Zakim, Yaso has Caroline also 13:02:39 sorry, Caroline_, I do not recognize a party named 'Yaso' 13:02:43 zakim, who is noisy? 13:02:51 +laufer 13:02:55 PhilA, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds 13:03:03 +[IPcaller] 13:03:07 Zakim, IPcaller is me 13:03:07 +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 13:03:15 +Yaso 13:03:16 Zakim, mute me 13:03:16 JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted 13:03:22 Zakim, who is making noise? 13:03:24 zakim, mute EricKauz 13:03:24 sorry, PhilA, I do not know which phone connection belongs to EricKauz 13:03:27 I can't hear anyone 13:03:28 Zakim, yaso has caroline 13:03:28 +caroline; got it 13:03:29 + +1.609.947.aabb 13:03:33 JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: PhilA (30%), Yaso (24%) 13:03:35 + +1.509.554.aacc 13:03:41 -PhilA 13:03:42 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 13:03:43 Zakim mute me 13:03:51 Zakim must have problems 13:03:53 Zakim, unmute me 13:03:53 sorry, yaso_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:03:55 +??P18 13:03:56 Zakim, mute me 13:03:57 MTCarrasco should now be muted 13:03:59 Zakim, who is making noise/ 13:03:59 I don't understand 'who is making noise/', JoaoPauloAlmeida 13:04:04 Zakim, Caroline is Yaso 13:04:04 sorry, yaso_, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline' 13:04:06 Zakim, mute me 13:04:06 sorry, Caroline_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:04:07 Zakim, who is making noise? 13:04:08 +[IPcaller] 13:04:11 Zakim, yaso has Caroline 13:04:11 caroline was already listed in Yaso, yaso_ 13:04:13 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:04:13 +PhilA; got it 13:04:17 JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (14%), markharrison (9%), Yaso (9%), ??P18 (5%) 13:04:19 MakxDekkers has joined #dwbp 13:04:30 Zakim, who's making noise? 13:04:34 there must be some problem with Zakim? 13:04:41 Caroline_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: laufer (19%), PhilA (19%) 13:04:49 zakim, mute laufer 13:04:49 laufer should now be muted 13:04:50 Zakim, mute Laufer 13:04:50 laufer was already muted, Caroline_ 13:04:56 zakim, mute me 13:04:56 laufer was already muted, laufer 13:05:18 Zakim, unmute Yaso 13:05:18 Yaso was not muted, Caroline_ 13:05:20 laufer - you have a noisy line (in case you can't hear us) 13:05:25 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140516 13:05:35 PhilA has changed the topic to: agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140516 13:05:39 i can here very well 13:05:42 hear 13:06:13 zakim, dial ivan-voip 13:06:13 ok, ivan; the call is being made 13:06:15 +Ivan 13:06:18 no problem... i can hear and read the chat 13:06:23 scribe: Caroline 13:06:25 zakim, mute me 13:06:25 Ivan should now be muted 13:06:50 nice 13:07:19 MakxDekkers has joined #dwbp 13:07:25 scribe: Caroline_ 13:07:30 scribeNick: Caroline_ 13:07:38 https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-09 13:07:44 https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-09 13:07:57 +1 13:07:58 PROPOSAL: approving last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-05-09 13:08:01 PROPOSAL: Accept last week's minutes 13:08:08 +1 13:08:10 +1 13:08:11 +1 13:08:11 +1 13:08:13 +1 13:08:26 +1 13:08:29 +1 13:08:29 +1 13:08:39 +[IPcaller] 13:08:43 zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio 13:08:43 +BernadetteLoscio; got it 13:08:52 RESOLVED: last week's minutes approved 13:08:58 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:08:58 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:08:59 again noise 13:09:12 oh, it was Bernadette :-) 13:09:19 i'm sorry :( 13:09:34 PhilA: starting with the use cases 13:09:37 1 min 13:09:45 wagnermeirajr has joined #DWBP 13:09:46 ... Bernadette could you give us a update about the use cases? 13:09:51 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:09:51 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 13:10:06 MakxDekkers has joined #dwbp 13:10:11 + +1.516.944.aadd 13:10:25 adler1 has joined #DWBP 13:10:35 BernadetteLoscio: we must link the requirements of the use cases 13:10:37 sorry for being late 13:10:39 +HadleyBeeman 13:10:49 ... there is a proposal to address it until the end of the month 13:10:55 HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp 13:10:57 Deirdre's last commit is at https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/pull/4 13:11:06 rrsagent, pointer? 13:11:06 See http://www.w3.org/2014/05/16-dwbp-irc#T13-11-06 13:11:11 PhilA: I have tried to fix it but I couldn't 13:11:20 ... if Yaso can fix it it would be great 13:11:24 yaso_: I will try 13:12:01 BernadetteLoscio: regarding the use cases there, I will check if the all use cases there are all rigth 13:12:24 ... if everyone could take a look it would be great! 13:12:32 CarlosIglesias has joined #dwbp 13:12:36 chair: Hadley 13:12:39 PhilA: It would be useful if Yaso fix it first 13:12:57 zakim, who is here? 13:12:57 On the phone I see MTCarrasco (muted), antoine, laufer (muted), markharrison, JoaoPauloAlmeida (muted), Yaso, +1.609.947.aabb, +1.509.554.aacc, ??P18, PhilA, Ivan (muted), 13:13:00 ... BernadetteLoscio, +1.516.944.aadd, HadleyBeeman 13:13:00 Yaso has caroline 13:13:00 On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, HadleyBeeman, adler1, MakxDekkers, wagnermeirajr, ericstephan, EricKauz, yaso_, JoaoPauloAlmeida, markharrison, Caroline_, BernadetteLoscio, 13:13:00 ... MTCarrasco, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, PhilA, laufer, ivan, trackbot 13:13:23 yaso_: do I have all the priviledge to work on the repository? 13:13:28 PhilA: yes, I think so! 13:13:42 zakim, aacc is me 13:13:42 +ericstephan; got it 13:13:44 zakim, aabb is me 13:13:44 +EricKauz; got it 13:13:44 chair: hadley 13:13:48 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:13:48 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:13:51 zakim, who is here? 13:13:51 On the phone I see MTCarrasco (muted), antoine, laufer (muted), markharrison, JoaoPauloAlmeida (muted), Yaso, EricKauz, ericstephan, ??P18, PhilA, Ivan (muted), BernadetteLoscio 13:13:54 ... (muted), +1.516.944.aadd, HadleyBeeman 13:13:54 Yaso has caroline 13:13:54 On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, HadleyBeeman, adler1, MakxDekkers, wagnermeirajr, ericstephan, EricKauz, yaso_, JoaoPauloAlmeida, markharrison, Caroline_, BernadetteLoscio, 13:13:54 ... MTCarrasco, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, PhilA, laufer, ivan, trackbot 13:14:33 zakim, aadd is me 13:14:33 +adler1; got it 13:14:44 Been trying for a while now to connect on the conference bridge but get busy tone all the time. I'll follow on IRC 13:14:50 zakim, who is here? 13:14:50 On the phone I see MTCarrasco (muted), antoine, laufer (muted), markharrison, JoaoPauloAlmeida (muted), Yaso, EricKauz, ericstephan, ??P18, PhilA, Ivan (muted), BernadetteLoscio 13:14:54 ... (muted), adler1, HadleyBeeman 13:14:54 Yaso has caroline 13:14:54 On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, HadleyBeeman, adler1, MakxDekkers, wagnermeirajr, ericstephan, EricKauz, yaso_, JoaoPauloAlmeida, markharrison, Caroline_, BernadetteLoscio, 13:14:54 ... MTCarrasco, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, PhilA, laufer, ivan, trackbot 13:15:10 Yes 13:15:47 I dialled direct as ??P9 and it is already associated 13:15:54 zakim, ??P18 is wagnermeirajr 13:15:54 +wagnermeirajr; got it 13:16:33 :) 13:16:37 I can't hear anyone 13:16:43 -JoaoPauloAlmeida 13:16:46 ok 13:16:57 +??P24 13:17:00 Phil, I’ll have to checkout via command line. I’ll have to set a new repo in my machine, so it will take more than 5 minutes, ok? 13:17:10 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:17:11 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 13:17:13 zakim, ??P24 is really me 13:17:13 +CarlosIglesias; got it 13:17:18 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:17:43 HadleyBeeman: should we get back to the use cases? 13:17:53 yaso has nathalia 13:18:04 BernadetteLoscio: we agreed on ?? 13:18:06 Zakim, yaso has nathalia 13:18:07 +nathalia; got it 13:18:29 I will be very happy if the UCR doc goes to FPWD by the end of May, thank you BernadetteLoscio and Deirdre 13:18:31 BernadetteLoscio: I think almost all the use cases are on the wiki 13:18:34 -laufer 13:18:51 Vagner_Br has joined #dwbp 13:19:05 +[IPcaller] 13:19:10 ... I am going to check if they are all there 13:19:13 Zakim, yaso has Vagner_Br 13:19:13 +Vagner_Br; got it 13:19:16 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:19:16 +laufer; got it 13:19:44 ... It is important that everybody takes a look on the requirements if they are okay or if we should change something 13:19:49 Zakim, mute laufer 13:19:49 laufer should now be muted 13:20:12 sorry about the noise... 13:20:16 HadleyBeeman: can you find the link of the requirements and put on the IRC? 13:20:29 BernadetteLoscio: there is a specific section about the requirements 13:20:41 zakim, who is noisy? 13:20:56 HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markharrison (24%), Yaso (4%), HadleyBeeman (52%) 13:21:10 HadleyBeeman: BernadetteLoscio , could you send an email to the group about it? 13:21:29 HadleyBeeman: yes! When the problem of github is fixed everybody will be able to see it 13:21:55 +[IPcaller] 13:21:56 HadleyBeeman: should we come back next week of today's discussion? 13:21:58 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:21:58 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:22:00 Zakim, IPcaller is me 13:22:00 +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 13:22:04 BernadetteLoscio: I think so 13:22:06 thanks 13:22:22 HadleyBeeman: let's move on to the data quality vocabulary 13:22:31 Thanks PhilA 13:22:37 zakim, unmute me 13:22:37 MTCarrasco should no longer be muted 13:22:44 got no love from skype 13:22:46 Zakim, who is speaking? 13:22:49 action-26? 13:22:49 action-26 -- Antoine Isaac to Review paul groth's paper and report to the wg -- due 2014-04-18 -- OPEN 13:22:49 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/26 13:22:56 Caroline_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 15 (50%), antoine (36%), markharrison (44%), HadleyBeeman (4%) 13:22:57 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014May/0027.html 13:23:08 newton has joined #dwbp 13:23:29 antoine: I will keep track 13:23:33 I'll look into that antoine 13:23:41 Zakim, mute me 13:23:41 JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted 13:23:47 zakim, mute markharrison 13:23:47 markharrison should now be muted 13:24:29 antoine: I believe that we could close the action 13:24:37 close action-26 13:24:37 Closed action-26. 13:24:37 close action-26 13:24:37 Closed action-26. 13:24:43 HadleyBeeman: what is the next step 13:24:46 action-36? 13:24:46 action-36 -- Newton Calegari to Start the process of creating a uri design document (email thread or wiki pages) with the other contributors -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN 13:24:46 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/36 13:24:51 action-34? 13:24:51 action-34 -- Bart van Leeuwen to Coordinate with antoine about the data quality effort -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN 13:24:51 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/34 13:25:14 sair salvando? 13:25:18 Sorry 13:25:39 scribe: PhilA 13:25:45 scribe: Caroline_ 13:26:10 antoine: I was on holliday last week 13:26:23 ... we could call an action in the WG 13:26:44 HadleyBeeman: can you frame that more specifically? 13:27:07 antoine: let's not do it now. I will discuss it with the group later 13:27:49 In last week's minutes "Should have a separated call for Data quality discussion, a mailing list exists" 13:28:07 The Vocabs list is at public-dwbp-vocabs@w3.org 13:28:15 Archived at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-vocabs/ 13:28:46 ... we should keep the discussion separately 13:28:49 +1 13:28:59 ... do you thkn that we should have the same open discussion for data quality? 13:29:10 +1 Hadley 13:29:16 Zakim, yaso has newton 13:29:16 +newton; got it 13:29:23 ... we could discuss it in the mailing list 13:29:29 +1 to antoine 13:30:04 I'm happy to set up additional call slots if we need them (and I think we do) 13:30:04 HadleyBeeman: let's move on to the data usage vocabulary 13:30:04 Yay! “Everything up-to-date” on GitHub :-) 13:30:04 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #dwbp 13:30:04 Zakim, who is speaking? 13:30:17 Caroline_, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: 15 (8%), EricKauz (5%), ericstephan (85%), HadleyBeeman (8%) 13:30:20 its ok :) 13:30:52 https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/ 13:31:36 ericstephan: we should use the https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/ 13:32:07 PhilA: can you put your github username in IRC that I will give you permission 13:32:14 Zakim, who is making noise? 13:32:26 Caroline_, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: EricKauz (8%) 13:32:27 hahaha PhilA I don’t know either. I just follow the instructions :-) 13:32:28 its ok for me 13:32:28 github account ericstephan 13:32:41 my github account is jpalmeida 13:32:41 Zakim, mute EricKauz 13:32:41 EricKauz should now be muted 13:33:00 HadleyBeeman: ericstephan and BernadetteLoscio could you have this ready for next week? 13:33:03 yes... 13:33:04 my github account is aisaac 13:33:18 ericstephan: I think so, I will catch up with BernadetteLoscio about all the work she has been doing 13:33:19 q+ 13:33:35 I haven't been able to figure out how github works yet. I am a very novice user and haven't found 'github for dummies' yet 13:33:53 newton: I sent an email about the document and I thkn this action could be closed 13:34:05 ... we can keep the discussion on the mailing list 13:34:12 ACTION 6: closed 13:34:12 Error finding '6'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:34:17 36 13:34:24 ACTION 36: closed 13:34:24 Error finding '36'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:34:27 action-36? 13:34:27 action-36 -- Newton Calegari to Start the process of creating a uri design document (email thread or wiki pages) with the other contributors -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN 13:34:27 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/36 13:34:29 close action-36 13:34:29 Closed action-36. 13:34:55 q? 13:34:59 ack mt 13:35:10 PhilA, did you see my github account? "ericstephan"? sorry I was kind of vague on my last post 13:35:18 MTCarrasco: there are 3 documents adressed URI 13:35:38 zakim, unmute markharrison 13:35:38 markharrison should no longer be muted 13:35:57 MTCarrasco: there are 3 documents regarding URIs now 13:36:14 ... these 3 documents should be merged 13:36:51 ... (I was not on last week's call because it was a holliday) 13:36:51 ok 13:37:12 HadleyBeeman: I put your name because I new you were interested from the beginig 13:37:23 I still get a busy tone on the conference bridge. 13:37:32 ... Newton, Laufer and I can have calls between us and agree on the document 13:37:49 There are three documents on URI should be merged - https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_URI_Best_Practices 13:37:49 HadleyBeeman: Newton, what do you think? 13:38:04 newton: I proposed to merge a new document 13:38:07 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/URI_Design_and_Management_for_Persistence 13:38:17 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/URIs_versus_APIs 13:38:23 hadley do we want to mention the draft CSV working group has published as an example of what our first draft can look like? 13:38:23 ... the document that MTCarrasco did should be merged to this other document to become one 13:38:37 HadleyBeeman: when this documents come together will they be okay 13:38:38 ? 13:39:08 MTCarrasco: URI versus APP should be merged as well 13:39:22 ... certain things could be asked in the URIs 13:39:27 s/APP/API/ 13:39:31 HadleyBeeman: I am getting a bit confused 13:40:07 MTCarrasco: about the URIs is important to not break anything 13:40:15 .... nothing is broken 13:40:24 ... I would say is the most common usage of it 13:40:36 let´s see if my line is still noisy... 13:40:37 HadleyBeeman: could you merge the 3 documents and get this back to the group? 13:40:44 zakim, unmute laufer 13:40:44 laufer should no longer be muted 13:40:44 MTCarrasco: Laufer is also on the line 13:40:46 zakim, unmute me 13:40:46 laufer was not muted, laufer 13:41:04 laufer: I think we have 2 things here 13:41:15 .... a way to define URIs, that we we BP to do this 13:41:32 .... another thing is do we have API or not to access the information 13:41:33 +1 to laufer 13:41:56 the first point is about identification of resources 13:42:06 ... If one decides to use the URIs we could talk about the BP to this 13:42:09 It is question of order of preference - https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_URI_Best_Practices#Order_of_preference 13:42:23 ... if another wants to use API we could discuss it as well 13:42:34 MTCarrasco: I agree, it is a continuation 13:43:07 ... if there is no URI information in the server configuration 13:43:26 HadleyBeeman: please do carry on and as much as you can on the mailing list 13:43:34 HadleyBeeman: we have a lot to cover today 13:43:41 ... lets move on to core vocabulary 13:43:49 Order of preference : URI - Header fields - Server configuration 13:44:14 action-38? 13:44:14 action-38 -- Carlos Laufer to Start the process of creating a document on the best practices on the provision of metadata -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN 13:44:14 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/38 13:44:28 Zakim, who is sepaking? 13:44:28 I don't understand your question, Caroline_. 13:44:36 Zakim, who is talking? 13:44:38 tks 13:44:47 laufer: I think this action is completed 13:44:50 Caroline_, listening for 14 seconds I heard sound from the following: laufer (93%), HadleyBeeman (3%) 13:44:52 ... we have a lot of answers 13:45:00 close action-38 13:45:00 Closed action-38. 13:45:10 ... we need to sumarize these ideas on the wiki page 13:45:26 ... we have some time to discuss what is there 13:45:43 ... the main issue is that we are talking about metadata and we have some actions to use this metadata 13:45:53 ... I am proposing to categorize the metadata 13:45:58 action: laufer to summarize the ideas (create categories) from the mailing list on the wiki page for Guidance on metadata 13:45:58 Created ACTION-39 - Summarize the ideas (create categories) from the mailing list on the wiki page for guidance on metadata [on Carlos Laufer - due 2014-05-23]. 13:46:01 ... we have the action that is to use data 13:46:18 ... we can have a kind of taxonomy to this metada 13:46:25 q+ 13:46:31 HadleyBeeman: I am giving you an action for next week 13:46:34 ack phila 13:46:48 PhilA: Laufer, do you thkn you have enough information in that tread? 13:46:59 ... because a lot of people are interested on that 13:47:07 q 13:47:10 q+ 13:47:14 ... I have to answer the questions and to continue the discussion 13:47:21 ... we need some time to do it 13:47:26 ack adler 13:47:45 yes! 13:47:53 Steve: how confident we feel that we will get a first draft to the Use Cases until the end of the month? 13:47:57