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16:17:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
16:17:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 43 minutes
16:17:18 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
16:17:18 <trackbot> Date: 15 May 2014
16:17:21 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
16:17:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-ua-minutes.html allanj
16:17:26 <allanj> regrets, jan
16:17:33 <allanj> regrets: jan
16:17:48 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
16:18:02 <allanj> chair: jimallan, kellyford
16:43:47 <jeanne> zakim, ping me in 15 minutes
16:43:47 <Zakim> ok, jeanne
16:55:28 <jeanne> agenda+ media api use cases
16:58:48 <Zakim> jeanne, you asked to be pinged at this time
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17:00:35 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
17:00:42 <Zakim> +Jeanne
17:00:43 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
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17:01:32 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
17:02:48 <Zakim> +Greg_Lowney
17:04:43 <allanj> agenda+ revenge of the charter - http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/draft_uawg_charter.html
17:05:15 <allanj>  agenda+ action  review
17:05:16 <allanj> 979 jim - rewrite of 1.4
17:05:18 <allanj> 978 jeanne - write proposal for ms05 response
17:05:19 <allanj> 977 greg - glossary entry for 'recognize'
17:05:21 <allanj> 976 jim - def of rendered content
17:05:22 <allanj> 975 jim - use of uaui or rc in document
17:05:24 <allanj> 974 jan - work text into introduction
17:05:25 <allanj> 972 jeanne - smith cr05 response re: heading nav
17:05:30 <allanj> agenda+ comments
17:06:04 <allanj> zakim, agenda
17:06:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', allanj
17:06:12 <allanj> zakim, agenda?
17:06:12 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
17:06:13 <Zakim> 1. media api use cases [from jeanne]
17:06:13 <Zakim> 2. revenge of the charter - http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/draft_uawg_charter.html [from allanj]
17:06:13 <Zakim> 3. action  review [from allanj]
17:06:13 <Zakim> 4. comments [from allanj]
17:08:08 <allanj> topic: discussion of AccessU
17:08:41 <allanj> browsers need to do more was mentioned.
17:08:48 <allanj> scribe: allanj
17:09:13 <allanj> kp: we need a page on how to file bugs against all browsers on the UA home page
17:09:51 <allanj> zakim, open item 1
17:09:51 <Zakim> agendum 1. "media api use cases" taken up [from jeanne]
17:11:08 <jeanne> http://heydonworks.com/practical_aria_examples/#input-tooltip
17:11:10 <allanj> aside -- http://heydonworks.com/practical_aria_examples/#input-tooltip accessible tooltip with css only
17:11:21 <allanj> and it works on mobile
17:12:18 <allanj> HAPPY GLOBAL ACCESSIBILITY AWARENESS DAY!!  http://www.globalaccessibilityawarenessday.org/events.html
17:13:08 <allanj> regrets+ kelly
17:14:07 <allanj> media use cases http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases
17:15:08 <allanj> js: written by web and TV use cases. UAWG has been asked again to review these in terms of accessibility implications
17:15:17 <allanj> ... we can write new ones if we want
17:15:43 <allanj> jr (the ghost): - everywhere they mention "tablet" it might be better to say "Mobile device" or "Table/Smartphone"
17:15:45 <allanj> - use case: ability to view captions only on a second device (Table/Smartphone)
17:15:46 <allanj> - use case: ability to hear secondary audio channel only on second device (Table/Smartphone)
17:16:37 <allanj> ja: use case captcha blocking setting service up
17:16:43 <jeanne> use case #1: -- no CAPTCHA
17:16:46 <allanj> ja: deadline?
17:17:17 <allanj> js: May 30
17:17:29 <allanj> ja: 2 more UAWG meeting
17:18:07 <allanj> gl: first glance - pretty generic, basic computer use
17:19:22 <allanj> gl: what about GII universal remote
17:19:28 <allanj> ja: not baked yet.
17:19:59 <Zakim> + +1.562.256.aaaa
17:20:14 <allanj> ja: action: put tv use cases on agenda
17:20:29 <jeanne> zakim, aaaa is really Wayne
17:20:29 <Zakim> +Wayne; got it
17:20:33 <allanj> wayne has joined the group
17:21:03 <allanj> read 1.4 character spacing...need to refine language before it gets final
17:21:05 <Zakim> -Wayne
17:21:14 <allanj> wayne has left the group
17:21:28 <allanj> close item 1
17:21:50 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/draft_uawg_charter.html#2.2
17:22:36 <allanj> js: deadline for charters is next week before AC meeting
17:22:47 <allanj> ... need to update the timelines
17:24:22 <allanj> js: made good progress, but not had many f2f meetings
17:25:41 <allanj> js: should finish comments in next several weeks
17:26:18 <allanj> ... will probably do 2 publishing cycles for 2nd last call
17:27:28 <allanj> ja: so that makes CR in March (possibly)
17:28:23 <allanj> then we need to complete testing of implementations before PR
17:28:52 <allanj> js: have a f2f to only write tests
17:32:02 <allanj> gl: should start another track of keeping of implementations
17:32:18 <allanj> ja: we have a wiki page for that
17:33:51 <allanj> js: finish these comments and publish by end of june
17:35:21 <allanj> ... then 4-6 weeks of test writing, perhaps f2f
17:35:52 <allanj> tpac - last week of OCT
17:36:48 <allanj> gl: could do video telecon
17:37:16 <allanj> js: work well in pairs, but conference calls get in the way
17:37:52 <allanj> gl: hangouts, google docs, webinar where we can share the same document
17:41:01 <allanj> js: process the comments from June publishing, get those comments, redo document...2nd last call 1st quarter of 2015
17:41:27 <allanj> ja: could we go to 2 hour calls?
17:41:49 <allanj> kp: rather other extended event
17:42:35 <allanj> gl: 2 hour calls work well some times
17:44:34 <allanj> kp: need to have 2 implementations for each sc.
17:44:36 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Extensions_needed_for_Implementation_Examples
17:44:57 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Browser_Compliance_Notes
17:46:22 <allanj> kp: rework the wiki
17:46:49 <allanj> ... for structure, and link to google docs, link to github pages
17:52:27 <allanj> js: discussion of process, exit criteria, etc.
17:56:38 <allanj> cr - mar 2015, pr - dec 2015 or mar 2016, ...adjust others accordingly
17:58:58 <allanj> for Proposed Rec (PR) need all testing done and 2 implementations for each SC.
17:59:39 <allanj> zakim, close 2
17:59:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close 2', allanj
17:59:47 <allanj> zakim, close item 2
17:59:47 <Zakim> agendum 2, revenge of the charter - http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/draft_uawg_charter.html, closed
17:59:49 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:59:49 <Zakim> 3. action  review [from allanj]
18:01:05 <allanj> zakim, open item 3
18:01:05 <Zakim> agendum 3. "action  review" taken up [from allanj]
18:01:47 <allanj> topic: 1.4 rewrite Action-979
18:01:49 <allanj> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014AprJun/0039.html
18:05:06 <allanj> ja: 1.4.3 bullet character spacing - Wayne wants further review.
18:05:39 <allanj> topic: 1.4.3
18:06:56 <allanj> gl: line spacing seems more prescriptive, and more restrictive
18:08:31 <allanj> last week discussion concerned min/max increment
18:08:44 <Greg> It went from a range and two exact intermediate values, to the same range with 8 intermediate values.
18:08:46 <allanj> gl: thought it was min/max and # of settings
18:09:27 <allanj> gl: no strong feelings, but seems opposite of original intention
18:10:06 <allanj> * orig - Line spacing of at least 1.0, 1.3, 1.5, and 2.0 times the font
18:10:07 <allanj> height
18:10:09 <allanj> new - Line spacing between 1.0 and 2.0 times the font height in .1
18:10:10 <allanj> increments
18:11:04 <allanj> kp: what's practical
18:11:18 <allanj> js: min/max and # of steps
18:11:58 <allanj> proposed- Line spacing between 1.0 and 2.0 times the font height with at least 3 step in between
18:13:20 <allanj> gl: but less spacing needed for high magnification
18:13:27 <allanj> ja: that a AAA 1.4.6
18:14:14 <allanj> proposed- Line spacing between 1.0 and 2.0 times the font height with at least 2 step in between
18:16:20 <allanj> gl: word had default of 1, 1.5, 2 then custom
18:19:47 <allanj> gl: support user style sheets is level A, all of these are then already done
18:20:16 <allanj> spending time on this is not productive...
18:20:54 <allanj> js: what about media players
18:21:04 <allanj> ja: caption styling?
18:21:29 <allanj> js: play list, etc.
18:21:40 <allanj> gl: this is content, not UI
18:24:12 <Greg> Are we saying that user style sheets are a powerful but techie way for customizing the presentation of content, and they're Level A, but we encourage user agents to provide easier, less techie ways of doing it through their UI (e.g. menu items and configuration dialogs), perhaps at lower priority?
18:28:21 <allanj> ja: wish it were the reverse, that basic customization are A and are covered in the UI, at AAA then css kick in.
18:28:31 <Greg> But the current wording allows them to rely on the user style sheets, and thus (assuming they support user style sheets which are Level A) no work would ever be required to comply with 1.4.3 etc.
18:29:09 <allanj> js: approach of basic config - line spacing, justification, text size color and need a UI component
18:29:42 <allanj> ... line spacing is AA, character spacing is AAA
18:29:53 <allanj> gl: justification is AA
18:30:08 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
18:30:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/15-ua-minutes.html allanj
18:31:12 <Zakim> -Greg_Lowney
18:31:14 <Zakim> -Jeanne
18:31:15 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
18:31:23 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
18:31:24 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
18:31:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Jeanne, Kim_Patch, Jim_Allan, Greg_Lowney, +1.562.256.aaaa, Wayne
18:31:58 <allanj> present: -1.562.256.aaaa
18:32:07 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:33:17 <allanj> present: Jeanne, Kim_Patch, Jim_Allan, Greg_Lowney,  Wayne
18:33:20 <allanj> present: Jeanne, Kim_Patch, Jim_Allan, Greg_Lowney,  Wayne
18:33:25 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:33:42 <allanj> rrsagent, please part
18:33:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items