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13:03:27 <jcverdie> isnt the code 8944921?
13:03:30 <jcverdie> tells me bad code
13:03:54 <genelian> yes, 8944921
13:04:13 <jcverdie> thanks genelian, zakim tells me it's not valid :(
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13:04:56 <kaz> jcverdie, please call +1.312.777.1449
13:04:56 <kaz> instead
13:05:22 <kaz> this week we don't use Zakim
13:05:47 <jcverdie> oh ok kaz thanks a lot
13:06:14 <kaz> Meeting: TV Control API CG
13:06:20 <kaz> Chair: Bin
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13:07:21 <Bin_Hu> present+ Chris, Alex, Gary, Gene, Gina, Shelly, Steve, Kaz, Daniel, JC, Bin
13:07:50 <Bin_Hu> agenda: http://www.w3.org/community/tvapi/news-and-resources/agenda-of-teleconference-on-may-13th/
13:08:12 <jcverdie> Agenda+ 1. Welcome message
13:08:28 <jcverdie> agenda+ Roll call and introduction
13:08:37 <jcverdie> agenda+ call for scribe
13:08:43 <jcverdie> agenda+ Appointment of Editor of Specification
13:08:51 <jcverdie> RRSAgent, next agendum
13:08:51 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'next agendum', jcverdie.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:09:34 <kaz> topic: Welcome
13:10:06 <kaz> Bin provides some logistics information
13:10:50 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #tvapi
13:10:56 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:10:56 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
13:10:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddavis_, harperp, kaz, RRSAgent, whyun, cpn, aldafu, Bin_Hu, GinaYeh, GaryChen, shelly, genelian, jcverdie
13:11:59 <kaz> (introduction from the attendees)
13:12:06 <kaz> rrsagent, make log member
13:12:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:12:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/13-tvapi-minutes.html kaz
13:14:11 <jcverdie> Zakim , this is TVAPI
13:14:37 <kaz> [ I think we need to talk about whether these minutes should be public or participant-only ]
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13:14:49 <jcverdie> zakim, agenda
13:14:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', jcverdie
13:14:55 <jcverdie> RRSAgent, agenda
13:14:55 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'agenda', jcverdie.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:17:59 <kaz> present+ skim13, whyun
13:20:40 <kaz> q+
13:21:00 <kaz> scribenick: jcverdie
13:21:18 <jcverdie> ack k
13:21:40 <jcverdie> kaz: a slightly different CG
13:21:48 <jcverdie> ... strong connection with Web & TV IG
13:22:00 <jcverdie> ... encourage to work w/them and communicate back our results
13:22:25 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: Indeed we are some sort of fork of the Web  TV IG since IGs are not supposed to create specs
13:22:26 <kaz> s|w/them|w/ them|
13:22:59 <kaz> q-
13:23:06 <jcverdie> ... the chairs will report back to the IG
13:23:11 <kaz> q+
13:23:17 <jcverdie> ack k
13:23:36 <jcverdie> kaz: should minutes be public or not ?
13:24:07 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: I propose we make them public
13:24:10 <jcverdie> kaz: +!
13:24:16 <jcverdie> s/+!/+1
13:24:19 <jcverdie> q+
13:24:23 <jcverdie> ack jc
13:24:53 <jcverdie> jcverdie: fully support public reports for this CG
13:25:00 <ddavis_> +1
13:25:03 <jcverdie> RESOLUTION: Minutes of this CG will be made public
13:25:13 <kaz> q?
13:25:41 <kaz> topic: Editors
13:25:46 <jcverdie> Topic: Editor of the specification
13:25:57 <kaz> s/topic: Editors/
13:26:13 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: We had three candidates
13:26:42 <jcverdie> Alex???: I will tell you early next week if I can join
13:27:07 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: I would propose to balance the workload, being editor is a huge work
13:27:23 <aldafu> s/Alex???/Alex/
13:27:26 <jcverdie> ... I would propose to have co-editors Gene, SH and Alex
13:27:44 <jcverdie> +1 for me too
13:28:16 <jcverdie> RESOLUTION: Gene, SH and Alex are appointed as co-editors, with the need for Alex to get final confirmation from his employer
13:28:34 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: thanks to the three of them for taking this huge task
13:28:46 <jcverdie> Topic: Discussion of Work Schedule
13:30:01 <jcverdie> ???: what is the final purpose of the API we are going to define
13:30:30 <jcverdie> s/???/Gene
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13:31:48 <jcverdie> ... We would need to have better defined use-cases to make sure we clearly identify what we are trying to achieve
13:32:16 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: Let's start from there
13:33:02 <jcverdie> genelian: we have our own version but I'm not sure it's what this group wants
13:33:27 <jcverdie> ... @@@
13:34:01 <jcverdie> http://www.w3.org/community/tvapi/wiki
13:34:12 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: I'll create a link to use-cases on this wiki page
13:34:24 <jcverdie> ... I'll finish the template today
13:34:56 <shelly> http://airpingu.github.io/tv-tuner-api/index.html
13:35:11 <jcverdie> ... So everyone can contribute its use-cases
13:35:29 <shelly> hi, this is our draft of the tv api
13:36:08 <jcverdie> [Shelly shares Mozilla TV API draft document]
13:36:24 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: someone mentioned webinos contribution too
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13:36:35 <aldafu> older webinos TV Control API: http://dev.webinos.org/specifications/api/tv.html
13:36:36 <jcverdie> ... What is a reasonable timeframe to achieve this use case gathering?
13:36:53 <jcverdie> q+
13:37:01 <jcverdie> genelian: is next meeting too tight?
13:37:13 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: what about 2 months (8 weeks) timeline?
13:37:25 <jcverdie> ... use-cases by July 8th?
13:37:44 <jcverdie> ... we can revisit the schedule on June 10th depending on the progress we've made
13:38:22 <jcverdie> q?
13:38:46 <jcverdie> ... These use-cases will give us a good assessment of the schedule
13:38:55 <jcverdie> ... hopefully we have a draft by TPAC
13:38:59 <jcverdie> ack me
13:40:05 <kaz> q+
13:40:17 <kaz> ack k
13:40:21 <jcverdie> JC: what about use cases defined in web and tv IG ?
13:40:41 <jcverdie> JC: TPAC should be our target for a first stable draft, nice timeframe to review it
13:40:53 <jcverdie> kaz: CGs usually dont meet during TPAC
13:41:05 <jcverdie> q+
13:41:09 <jcverdie> ack me
13:41:59 <jcverdie> jcverdie: may be something like the web and broadcasting BG ?
13:42:11 <jcverdie> kaz: from W3 standpoint it's an exception
13:42:22 <jcverdie> s/kaz: from W3 standpoint it's an exception//
13:43:15 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: we need to check with W3C staff what we can do in term of f2f concomitants to TPAC
13:43:23 <jcverdie> ... I recall it happened in the past
13:43:38 <jcverdie> s/  broadcasting BG ?/ broadcasting BG does every other TPAC?
13:45:17 <jcverdie> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:45:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/13-tvapi-minutes.html jcverdie
13:45:28 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:46:07 <jcverdie> s/  broadcasting BG \?/ broadcasting BG does every other TPAC\?
13:46:09 <jcverdie> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:46:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/13-tvapi-minutes.html jcverdie
13:46:48 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: alternative to TPAC umbrella is to define our own meeting with our own facilities
13:47:05 <jcverdie> ... AT&T might be able to host it
13:48:21 <jcverdie> ACTION: kaz to get internal W3C information regarding what is possible in term of meeting during TPAC
13:49:11 <jcverdie> ddavis_: last year in SZ, the second screens CG made an unofficial presentation during web and tv IG
13:49:14 <jcverdie> q+
13:49:56 <jcverdie> ack me
13:51:04 <jcverdie> JC Verdie: what happened in SZ was an official presentation to the web and tv IG of the progress, by members of the CG who happened to be members of the web and TV IG
13:51:31 <jcverdie> ... what we want to achieve here is not reporting our progress but to make progress with a technical review
13:51:41 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: maybe monday before TPAC would be ok
13:52:17 <jcverdie> q+
13:52:54 <jcverdie> ack jc
13:53:23 <jcverdie> JC Verdie: be careful that AC Meeting is likely to happen the day before TPAC
13:54:28 <jcverdie> ... 9&10th of June there is an AC Meeting where it will be discussed
13:54:32 <jcverdie> ... More information to come
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13:54:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:54:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/13-tvapi-minutes.html kaz
13:56:04 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: let's postpone the decision until we have enough information either June 10th or July 8th
13:56:24 <jcverdie> ACTION: JC Verdie to report to the group about detailed TPAC Agenda (and AC Meeting potential overlap)
13:57:55 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: I remind you that deadline for use-cases is July 8th
13:58:02 <jcverdie> ... we'll review progress in June
13:58:12 <jcverdie> Topic: Call for contributions
13:58:19 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: the 1st one is technical use cases
13:58:28 <jcverdie> ... Mozilla already offered their API
13:58:34 <jcverdie> ... Webinos ditto
13:58:47 <aldafu> s/Webinos/webinos
13:58:59 <jcverdie> ... If everyone could start contributing use cases that'd be useful
13:59:04 <jcverdie> ...q?
13:59:24 <jcverdie> Topic: AOB
13:59:38 <jcverdie> [loud silence]
13:59:56 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: Thank you all
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14:00:09 <jcverdie> ... we are adjourned
14:00:54 <jcverdie> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:00:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/13-tvapi-minutes.html jcverdie
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14:02:46 <jcverdie> thanks to you guys ;) have a nice day !
14:02:59 <jcverdie> btw, I will not be there on June 10th due to AC Rep meeting :(
14:03:11 <jcverdie> I'll try to get on the IRC channel but won't be able to dial in
14:04:19 <jcverdie> kaz: for the same reason I assume
14:15:05 <kaz> rrsagent, stop