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12:26:22 <ericP> phila, can we talk about shape expr early so i can jump back to my FDA panic?
12:26:34 <ericP> i don't want to let the panic abate
12:26:36 <phila> Yes, sure
12:26:46 <ericP> cool -- tx
12:26:50 <phila> currently scribing the CSV WG call :-(
12:26:59 <ericP> and talking to me
12:59:43 <phila> zakim, this will be dacg
12:59:43 <Zakim> ok, phila; I see DATA_DACG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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13:00:31 <phila> meeting: Data Activity Coordination Group monthly
13:00:50 <phila> zakim, code?
13:00:50 <Zakim> the conference code is 3224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), phila
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13:01:08 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
13:01:08 <Zakim> +phila; got it
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13:02:11 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
13:02:11 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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13:02:34 <deirdrelee> zakim, IPcaller is me
13:02:35 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
13:03:13 <phila> zakim, who is here?
13:03:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see phila, David_Wood, Arnaud, Ivan, deirdrelee
13:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see davidwood, ivan, JeniT, deirdrelee, Arnaud, yaso, danbri, phila, Zakim, RRSAgent, ericP
13:03:54 <phila> http://csvconf.com/
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13:04:30 <phila> regrets: Stefan
13:04:49 <yaso_> Hi Phil!
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13:08:51 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
13:08:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see phila, David_Wood, Arnaud, Ivan, deirdrelee, JeniT, ericP, Guus_Schreiber, Yaso
13:08:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see tbaker, Guus, yaso, davidwood, ivan, JeniT, deirdrelee, Arnaud, danbri, phila, Zakim, RRSAgent, ericP
13:08:57 <davidwood> ScribeNick: davidwood
13:09:05 <davidwood> Scribe: David Wood
13:09:12 <davidwood> Topic: LDP WG
13:09:42 <davidwood> Arnaud: Headed for CR.   May have a formal objection, but only one person disagrees.
13:09:57 <davidwood> q+ to calm Arnaud re formal objections
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13:10:35 <davidwood> Arnaud: There is a "very healthy" list of implementations coming up.  People might find issues when running tests, but initial interop actually worked.
13:11:14 <davidwood> …a final report is still in progress, so the LDP WG will ask for a 6-month extension.
13:11:42 <davidwood> …LDP Next proposals are being made now.  There is a lot of material for a future version.
13:11:50 <danbri> sorry :( joining shortly
13:12:10 <davidwood> …LDP Next could turn into a list of smaller specs that focus on specific features.
13:12:14 <Zakim> + +1.202.248.aaaa
13:12:17 <Zakim> +Tom_Baker (was +1.202.248.aaaa)
13:12:52 <phila> ack davidwood
13:12:52 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to calm Arnaud re formal objections
13:12:56 <davidwood> Phil: You might find it easier to keep the momemtum.  Recharter now.
13:14:39 <davidwood> Phil: What about protocols other than HTTP for shifting around data?
13:14:49 <davidwood> Arnaud: No :)
13:15:27 <davidwood> Topic: CSV WG
13:15:49 <davidwood> JeniT: Things going well.  We have a few working drafts out and are refining them.
13:16:12 <davidwood> …Also draft specs on converting CSV to RDF and other formats.
13:16:21 <davidwood> Topic: Data on the Web WG
13:17:04 <davidwood> Deirdre: Working on best practices document.  Starting the core now.  Have started some WDs.
13:17:18 <davidwood> Phil: Will something be ready to show by the end of the month.
13:17:25 <deirdrelee> s/Deirdre/yaso
13:17:26 <davidwood> Deirdre: Maybe, will try.
13:17:40 <davidwood> s/Deirdre/yaso/
13:17:54 <Zakim> +??P28
13:17:58 <danbri> zakim, ??P28 is danbri
13:17:58 <Zakim> +danbri; got it
13:18:01 <phila> topic: RDF Data Shapes
13:18:34 <davidwood> Tom: 8 Oct is DC Conference.  There is interest in a presentation on shape expressions.
13:19:13 <davidwood> …Eric Miller will be there speaking about application profiles for BibFrame (MARC replacement as Linked Data).
13:19:16 <phila> -> http://bibframe.org/ Bibframe
13:19:54 <davidwood> …People will be coming to DC Conference looking for tools and ideas to deploy.
13:20:15 <phila> -> http://dcevents.dublincore.org/IntConf/dc-2014 The DC event in October
13:21:22 <davidwood> …Eric Miller puts less emphasis on a language and more on tool support.
13:21:38 <Guus> the term "shape expressions" appears to me to be too nebulous; outsiders will have no clue
13:21:51 <davidwood> +1 to Guus
13:21:56 <davidwood> Naming is hard.
13:22:00 <Guus> too geeky
13:22:16 <davidwood> Eric said something interesting that I missed.
13:22:17 <phila> +1 Guus - hence we're moving to 'RDF Data Shapes'
13:22:38 <davidwood> Arnaud: IBM has tools, but the shapes are composed by hand.
13:22:48 <tom> +1 for something like 'data shapes'
13:22:49 <danbri> do these shapes compile down to pure sparql?
13:23:10 <davidwood> …Relevant software is buried within Rational products.
13:23:26 <davidwood> Eric cannot get to DC in the absence of airfare.
13:24:22 <davidwood> I volunteer to present shape expressions at DC, if needed.  Others might be better.
13:24:54 <Arnaud> dan, oslc resource shapes can be expressed as sparql asks, although we don't currently do that
13:25:05 <davidwood> Tom: Not aware of anyone who has deployed shape expressions yet.  Matias Palmer (sp?) has done some prototype work.
13:25:10 <Arnaud> eric's extensions won't though
13:25:49 <yaso> zakim, mute me
13:25:49 <Zakim> Yaso should now be muted
13:25:58 <davidwood> Eric: Trying to get a working group on shape expressions and maybe a ftf on the US West Coast.
13:26:26 <davidwood> …David can handle the DC presentation.
13:27:00 <Zakim> -JeniT
13:27:02 <danbri> yup
13:27:15 <davidwood> Phil: There is space reserved for the proposed RDF Validation and Social Web WGs.
13:27:30 <Zakim> +JeniT
13:27:42 <davidwood> Eric: HCLS WG will not be expected at TPAC.
13:27:48 <davidwood> Topic: HCLS
13:28:09 <davidwood> Eric: There is work on modeling biological structures with scary Greek names.
13:28:57 <danbri> for ref, CSVW meet at TPAC on Monday 27 and Tuesday 28 October.
13:29:09 <davidwood> …Big demo coming up at FDA next Wed.
13:30:07 <davidwood> …If FDA adopts for tabular structure for clinical trial format, might also allow RDF submissions.
13:31:02 <tom> Re: RDF validation - Matthias Palmer's tool, based on SHAME project prototype: https://bitbucket.org/metasolutions/rdforms
13:31:16 <danbri> there was some collab around ontology design patterns <-> patterns from actual rdf data, eg. somewhere around http://ontologydesignpatterns.org/wiki/Main_Page
13:31:47 <Guus> not sure, will have to check details
13:32:04 <davidwood> Deirdre: Would be interested in discussing heritage modeling with Guus.
13:32:38 <Zakim> -ericP
13:32:41 <danbri> "schema.org - the new build. Lessons/pointers for us? The context file etc. (Dan)"
13:32:47 <danbri> zakim, unmute me
13:32:47 <Zakim> danbri should no longer be muted
13:33:09 <Zakim> -JeniT
13:33:49 <davidwood> Danbri: Schema.org Web presence has been rebuilt. It is a collaborative venture run by the search engines.  It has been moved to GitHub and run by Google's App Engine.
13:33:57 <davidwood> …It has an RDF parser.
13:34:10 <davidwood> …The schemas and examples are also on GitHub.
13:34:42 <Zakim> + +44.208.224.aabb
13:34:53 <davidwood> …The search engines have been wary of sharing the link widely because they don't think it is representative of where they eventually want to go.
13:35:49 <davidwood> …Has spent time at FB recently getting developers to install the infrastructure on laptops - hope that will speed adoption and development.
13:36:50 <davidwood> …License is currently Apache 2. There is ongoing discussion.
13:37:19 <danbri> see also http://applinks.org/documentation/
13:37:51 <davidwood> …Moving toward weekly pushes.
13:37:53 <ivan> q+
13:38:11 <phila> ack ivan
13:38:55 <danbri> re bib schemas, https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/BibextendBibframeMapping from ericm/danbri collab
13:39:42 <phila> rrsagent, make logs public
13:40:23 <davidwood> Ivan: The Digital Publishing IG is looking at defining Onyx Lite. Might be interested in migrating to schema.org for wider use.  BISG (Book Industry trade organization) is discussing with the IG.
13:40:38 <ivan> s/Onyx/ONIX/
13:40:52 <danbri> http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/
13:41:09 <tom> https://www.bisg.org/ - Book Industry Study Group (BISG)
13:42:20 <davidwood> Danbri: Schema.org likes to delegate to the wider world and watch for consensus.  The library community has argued around bibliographic modeling for a long time.
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13:42:50 <danbri> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONIX_for_Books
13:42:58 <Arnaud> sorry but I have to drop off
13:43:22 <Arnaud> I wanted to say that I'm rather confused about the goal of the web of things workshop
13:43:30 <danbri> 'external enumerations'
13:43:49 <Arnaud> IBM is very involved in the Internet Of Things and we don't see much benefit in starting a new branding
13:44:09 <Arnaud> but of course we do have researchers interested (we always do :-)
13:44:10 <danbri> (we have a proposal for a small subset of skos to be echoed into schema.org, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webschema/file/default/schema.org/ext/miniskos.html … could work for this?)
13:44:26 <Arnaud> I've talked to Dave already
13:44:48 <davidwood> Danbri: They have a sandbox running a JSON-LD prototype.
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13:45:36 <Zakim> -Arnaud
13:47:27 <danbri> json-ld is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2014Apr/0023.html
13:47:35 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2014/02/wot/
13:47:44 <davidwood> Phil and Danbri discussed the benefits of W3C supporting schema.org and how owl:sameAs support would help show links to the Open Web.
13:48:00 <davidwood> Topic: The Web of Things
13:48:19 <davidwood> Phil: There will be a Web of Things workshop, that focuses on services.
13:48:35 <davidwood> …The closing date for submissions is 10 May.
13:49:14 <yaso> zakim, unmute me
13:49:14 <Zakim> Yaso should no longer be muted
13:49:14 <davidwood> Danbri: When will Social Web charter be available?
13:49:20 <davidwood> Phil: Soon, I hope.
13:49:50 <davidwood> rrsagent, create the minutes
13:49:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/07-dacg-minutes.html davidwood
13:50:25 <davidwood> Phil: The Social Web charter is going to the membership soon.
13:50:32 <Zakim> -Ivan
13:50:34 <davidwood> The next meeting is 4 June.
13:50:38 <Zakim> -JeniT
13:50:40 <Zakim> -Tom_Baker.a
13:50:41 <Zakim> -danbri
13:50:42 <Zakim> -Yaso
13:50:42 <Zakim> -phila
13:50:43 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
13:50:50 <Zakim> -David_Wood
13:50:51 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
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13:50:52 <Zakim> Attendees were phila, David_Wood, Arnaud, Ivan, deirdrelee, JeniT, ericP, Guus_Schreiber, Yaso, Tom_Baker, danbri, +44.208.224.aabb
13:50:56 <phila> rrsagent, generate minutes
13:50:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/07-dacg-minutes.html phila
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