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11:27:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DATA_CSVWG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
11:27:42 <trackbot> Meeting: CSV on the Web Working Group Teleconference
11:27:42 <trackbot> Date: 07 May 2014
11:28:15 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: 2014-05-07 Meeting agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_2014-05-07
11:28:26 <ivan> Chair: Dan Brickley
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11:52:40 <danbri> hello comma separation fans
11:52:44 <danbri> any scribe volunteers?
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11:53:19 <danbri> zakim, pick phila as a victim
11:53:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick phila as a victim', danbri
11:53:45 <danbri> you scribed recently
11:55:21 <danbri> i have an lrmi call at 2.30pm :(
11:55:24 <danbri> let me try move that
11:57:03 <danbri> otherwise can do 1st 30m
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11:59:44 <Zakim> + +44.207.800.aaaa
11:59:55 <jtandy> zakim, aaaa is me
11:59:55 <Zakim> +jtandy; got it
12:00:39 <phila> zakim, code?
12:00:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 2789 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), phila
12:00:47 <danbri> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_2014-05-07
12:00:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:00:55 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
12:00:55 <Zakim> +phila; got it
12:01:14 <Zakim> + +1.410.764.aabb
12:01:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:01:40 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
12:01:40 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
12:01:49 <Zakim> +??P7
12:01:52 <danbri> zakim, ??P7 is danbri
12:01:52 <Zakim> +danbri; got it
12:02:04 <danbri> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:02:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see jtandy, phila, +1.410.764.aabb, AndyS, danbri
12:02:18 <jtandy> zakim, mute me
12:02:20 <Zakim> jtandy should now be muted
12:02:38 <phila> zakim, aabb is Yakov
12:02:38 <Zakim> +Yakov; got it
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12:02:57 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
12:02:57 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
12:02:58 <Zakim> +Ivan
12:03:44 <danbri> last week's meeting record: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Apr/0123.html
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12:04:23 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/23-csvw-minutes.html
12:04:23 <yakovsh> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:04:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see jtandy (muted), phila, Yakov, AndyS, danbri, Ivan
12:04:30 <danbri> 30th april minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Apr/0123.html
12:04:38 <yakovsh> zakim, yakov is yakovsh
12:04:38 <Zakim> +yakovsh; got it
12:04:46 <Zakim> +ericstephan
12:05:00 <Zakim> +??P15
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12:05:11 <DavideCeolin> zakim, ??P15 is me
12:05:11 <Zakim> +DavideCeolin; got it
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12:05:21 <phila> Previous week's minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2014/04/23-csvw-minutes.html
12:05:23 <DavideCeolin> zakim, mute me
12:05:23 <Zakim> DavideCeolin should now be muted
12:05:35 <phila> i.e. it was on the 23rd, not the 24th
12:05:42 <AndyS> +1 to both
12:05:46 <Zakim> +??P17
12:05:56 <jumbrich> zakim, ??P17 is me
12:05:56 <Zakim> +jumbrich; got it
12:05:56 <phila> PROPOSED: Accept previous two week's minutes
12:06:00 <ericstephan> +1
12:06:04 <Zakim> + +44.797.442.aacc
12:06:18 <ivan> zakim, aacc is JeniT
12:06:18 <Zakim> +JeniT; got it
12:06:32 <phila> RESOLVED: Accept previous two week's minutes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Apr/0123.html and http://www.w3.org/2014/04/23-csvw-minutes.html
12:06:42 <phila> chair: danbri
12:06:51 <phila> scribe: phila
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12:06:56 <phila> scribeNick: phila
12:07:08 <phila> danbri: Introduces agenda
12:07:19 <phila> topic: Use Cases and Requirements doc
12:07:19 <DavideCeolin> zakim, unmute me
12:07:19 <Zakim> DavideCeolin should no longer be muted
12:07:24 <phila> danbri: Where are we?
12:07:57 <ivan> -> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/use-cases-and-requirements/index.html UCR Editors' draft
12:08:00 <phila> ericstephan: Folks have been pretty swamped but we've managed to add a few more use cases
12:08:12 <phila> ... one came from Tim Robinson this morning
12:08:17 <phila> ... and one to come from Phil
12:08:23 <phila> phila: (I added it this morning too)
12:08:36 <phila> ericstephan: We have to firm up the categorisation
12:08:39 <phila> q+
12:08:40 <ivan> q+
12:08:43 <DavideCeolin> q+
12:08:52 <jtandy> do we need to flesh out the requirements themselves?
12:08:55 <danbri> q?
12:08:55 <phila> danbri: So do you have what you need for a next publication?
12:09:01 <phila> ericstephan: It depends on the time all of us have this week
12:09:11 <jtandy> zakim, unmute me
12:09:11 <Zakim> jtandy should no longer be muted
12:09:11 <phila> ... I'm going to be fairly busy but I can spend some time on it
12:09:23 <Zakim> +??P20
12:09:26 <danbri> [let's do editors comments, then the zakim queue]
12:09:30 <fonso> zakim, I am ??P20
12:09:30 <Zakim> +fonso; got it
12:09:33 <phila> jtandy: I've not been able to pay much attention so far this week but I should be able to support Wereic this week
12:09:38 <jtandy> zakim, mute me
12:09:38 <Zakim> jtandy should now be muted
12:09:47 <phila> DavideCeolin: There are a few things to discuss. I sent an e-mail about that
12:10:09 <phila> ... I have tried to classify the requirements following the last meeting. I don't know if the classification is OK or not
12:10:32 <phila> ... also I was doubtful about the annotation req. Some reqs could be sub-reqs of that
12:10:37 <JeniT> q+ to discuss annotation requirement
12:10:44 <DavideCeolin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014May/0003.html
12:10:46 <jtandy> s /Wereic/ericstephan/
12:10:53 <danbri> thx
12:10:58 <phila> ack me
12:11:02 <phila> https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Use_Cases#Making_Sense_of_Other_People.27s_Data
12:11:05 <DavideCeolin> q-
12:11:26 <danbri> ack ivan
12:11:34 <JeniT> ack ivan
12:11:44 <phila> phila: I added my use case. I'm now checking with the people it talks about that it is accurate
12:11:56 <phila> ivan: I think the new use cases lack requirements
12:12:11 <phila> ivan: Publishing in 2 weeks is not sacrosanct
12:12:26 <phila> ... I'd rather that the requirement table and put it in the doc. If that takes > 2 weeks, so be it
12:12:40 <phila> ... what's on the wiki is a significant step forwards
12:12:45 <danbri> q?
12:12:49 <phila> ericstephan: I would prefer moving without doing what Ivan just suggested
12:12:55 <jtandy> +1 to taking more time to get the requirements correct
12:13:05 <DavideCeolin> +1
12:13:06 <jtandy> ... and taking more time as necesssary
12:13:21 <phila> ericstephan: I think we can try to get things done... I'd prefer if we had a bit more time (Scribe correct, i.e. Eric agreed with Ivan)
12:13:42 <danbri> [ah, 'moving out' was wrt to timescale, not location of text]
12:13:42 <phila> ivan: There is no requirement to publish on 2 - 3 weeks
12:13:42 <danbri> q?
12:13:53 <danbri> ack JeniT
12:13:53 <Zakim> JeniT, you wanted to discuss annotation requirement
12:13:53 <phila> ack JeniT
12:14:24 <phila> JeniT: I think this doc is really good, the classification is excellent the reqs (section 4) ...
12:14:55 <phila> ... section 4.2... I suggest putting all the reqs into accepted for what we want to publish next
12:15:14 <phila> JeniT: The 2 - 3 weeks deadline was arbitrary because I think deadlines help to motivate people
12:15:20 <phila> ... if it takes longer, then OK
12:15:34 <phila> ... but it's also good to publish heartbeat docs so people can track even small changes
12:15:54 <phila> JeniT: Re the issue of annotation and supplementary info reqs...
12:16:12 <phila> ... There were lots of sub reqs and it's not clear whether we need some of the high level reqs
12:16:17 <danbri> [loud typing noises]
12:16:34 <phila> ... I think we're looking at human-readable annotations
12:16:49 <jtandy> +1
12:16:52 <danbri> q?
12:17:11 <JeniT> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/use-cases-and-requirements/index.html#R-AnnotationAndSupplementaryInfo
12:17:25 <DavideCeolin> q+
12:17:29 <phila> ^^ That's the specific req under discussion
12:17:42 <phila> JeniT: There are lots of reqs, sub reqs around that
12:17:53 <jtandy> I agree that the "annotation and supplementary info" requirement should not overlap with the scope of the other requirements - therefore focus on the human readable annotation
12:17:54 <DavideCeolin> q-
12:17:55 <phila> topic: RDF Proc
12:18:00 <danbri> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:18:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see jtandy (muted), phila, yakovsh, AndyS, danbri, Ivan, ericstephan, DavideCeolin, jumbrich, JeniT, fonso
12:18:26 <phila> danbri: This will be a FPWD of the RDF Mapping?
12:18:31 <ivan> -> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/csv2rdf/ Generating RDF from Tabular Data on the Web
12:18:33 <phila> AndyS: Only if you want a very rough and ready document
12:18:43 <phila> s/RDF Proc/RDF Mapping/
12:18:53 <ivan> q+
12:18:55 <phila> AndyS: There's a lot to be thought through to align the docs
12:19:02 <phila> danbri: How would an extra week help?
12:19:11 <phila> AndyS: I don't think it will make a stunning difference
12:19:31 <phila> danbri: Any particular reason for publishing everything in coordinated waves?
12:19:36 <danbri> q?
12:19:39 <phila> ivan: No, we can do what we like oin that regard
12:19:40 <danbri> ack ivan
12:19:41 <phila> ack ivan
12:20:08 <phila> ivan: What bothers me about publishing this doc now... we had a discussion a few weeks ago on the general principles of conversaion of CSV
12:20:27 <phila> ... I think what the doc has is more or less in line with that. But I would like those discussions documented and published somewhere
12:20:34 <phila> ... just for the public view of things
12:20:42 <phila> JeniT: Which doc would that fit in best?
12:20:55 <phila> ivan: I was thinking the same thing but don't have an answer
12:21:04 <phila> JeniT: There might need to be a general conversion doc?
12:21:05 <Zakim> -jumbrich
12:21:21 <phila> ivan: Might it fit in the structure of the model doc?
12:21:25 <Zakim> +??P16
12:21:27 <phila> JeniT: I can look
12:21:34 <jumbrich> zakim, ??P16 is me
12:21:34 <Zakim> +jumbrich; got it
12:21:39 <phila> ivan: I don't mind. I just think the principles should be included somewhere
12:21:42 <danbri> q?
12:22:10 <phila> AndyS: Could you take a go at writing a couple of paras in an e-mail then it can at least go in the RDF doc. It might get moved later
12:22:27 <danbri> q+ suggest parag re json-ld in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014May/0017.html
12:22:28 <phila> ivan: It's a possibility, but if we do a JSON doc at some point then we'll have to sync those texts
12:22:38 <phila> AndyS: That might be the triggerto get it out of the RDf doc
12:22:40 <danbri> q+ to suggest parag re json-ld in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014May/0017.html
12:22:49 <phila> AndyS: Let's get the text out now and worry about where it ends up later
12:22:51 <JeniT> +1
12:23:04 <phila> danbri: Jeni just circulated a draft
12:23:27 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?
12:23:41 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: danbri (31%)
12:23:51 <danbri> zakim, who is talking?
12:24:03 <Zakim> danbri, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: danbri (12%)
12:24:07 <danbri> action: danbri supply a json-ld sentence for csv2rdf doc
12:24:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Supply a json-ld sentence for csv2rdf doc [on Dan Brickley - due 2014-05-14].
12:24:45 <phila> AndyS: I thought Jeni's message is about an RDF form of the metadata doc
12:24:57 <phila> danbri: The idea was to take Jeni's sentiment and add it to the doc
12:25:10 <phila> JeniT: Not sure how that's relevant?
12:25:34 <phila> danbri: I'm just thinking about someone coming in to this and seeing RDF in 2 places
12:25:46 <phila> ivan: There is the issue of how the three docs work together
12:26:08 <AndyS> The CSV2RDF doc will refer to metadat doc and (eventually) align.
12:26:15 <phila> ivan: When I first saw the metadata doc I was a bit confused about the relationships. It needs clarity, that's all
12:26:23 <danbri> q?
12:26:30 <phila> danbri: Any more to say on RDF generation?
12:27:25 <phila> AndyS: If you can send the mail, Ivan, I'll add it to the doc
12:28:14 <phila> action: Ivan to send 2 paras on format conversion in an e-mail that Andy will incorporate in the mapping Doc
12:28:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Send 2 paras on format conversion in an e-mail that andy will incorporate in the mapping doc [on Ivan Herman - due 2014-05-14].
12:28:25 <phila> ivan: We haven't got any use cases for the XML conversion?
12:28:35 <phila> JeniT: No, but we did just have a use case with XML metadata
12:28:40 <phila> ivan: It would be good to track that
12:28:43 <danbri> q?
12:28:45 <phila> JeniT: I agree
12:29:21 <phila> JeniT: I have taken CSV files and converted them to XML but there was more to it than that
12:29:34 <phila> Topic: Model for Tabular Data
12:29:47 <phila> danbri: You had a proposal, Jeni that everyone agreed with
12:29:54 <ivan> -> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/syntax/index.html editor's copy
12:30:09 <phila> JeniT: Yes, the proposal was to not worry about embedding any metadata in the CSV other than the column headings
12:30:18 <phila> ... lots of +1s to that
12:30:24 <jtandy> +1
12:30:27 <ericstephan> +1
12:30:27 <phila> danbri: So we're saying nothing, not that you can't do it?
12:31:00 <phila> JeniT: We're saying for our WG that, at least for now, we're focussing on CSV with no extra header lines with reserved character starts
12:31:18 <phila> danbri: Yes but people *are* putting extra headers in
12:31:36 <phila> JeniT: Yes, lots of examples of that - random ways - we need to scope that out for now I think
12:31:59 <phila> danbri: But we still need to point to the metadata file
12:32:01 <phila> JeniT: Yes
12:32:36 <phila> JeniT: We have resolved to defer any consideration of embedding metadata in CSV docs with the exception of column headings
12:32:46 <phila> RESOLVED: See above
12:33:15 <ivan> q+
12:33:21 <phila> JeniT: There are a few other issues... but I'm generally happy for them to stay in the file and for us just to have a heartbeat publication, prob in line with otehr docs
12:33:25 <danbri> q-
12:33:27 <phila> danbri: Any more on this doc?
12:33:48 <phila> ivan: I want to make sure that this is reflectied - the RtL issue? We have the use case
12:34:01 <phila> ... that's a new req that should be documented that may have an effect on the parsing algorithm
12:34:08 <phila> JeniT: I'm happy to add something about that
12:34:17 <phila> ... prob in the parsing bit which is informative
12:34:44 <phila> ivan: I tried to get some feedback from CN and JP folks to see if vertical writing might be relevant too
12:34:55 <phila> ... it seems that no, they tend to work in rows (LtR)
12:35:05 <danbri> q?
12:35:07 <danbri> q-
12:35:11 <jtandy> re JP and CN - that's good to hear
12:35:12 <phila> ...but Arabic and Hebrew def go RtL
12:35:14 <ivan> q-
12:35:19 <danbri> ack ivan
12:35:21 <phila> danbri: Do you have all you need?
12:35:23 <phila> JeniT: Yep
12:35:32 <phila> topic: metadata document
12:35:33 <danbri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014May/0017.html
12:35:37 <danbri> -> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/metadata/
12:35:46 <phila> JeniT: Last week we had a rough version. This week's is slightly less rough
12:35:46 <danbri> "Validation and conversion of tabular data on the web requires additional metadata that describes how the data should be interpreted. This document defines a vocabulary for metadata that annotates tabular data. This can be used to provide metadata at various levels, from collections of data from CSV documents and how they relate to each other down to individual cells within a table."
12:35:57 <phila> ... I have discussed with Rufus how to structure this
12:36:17 <phila> JeniT: One was whether to take it vocab first and then to JSON or from format to vocab - Rufus said the latter
12:36:33 <phila> ... the other things was orienting it around using JSON-LD to map the data format
12:36:50 <phila> ... also decided to scope the simplest possible case which is a single CSV file described by a single metadata file
12:36:52 <Zakim> -jumbrich
12:36:57 <phila> ... that leaves out packages of CSV files
12:37:07 <phila> ... and several CSV failes that share the same schema
12:37:21 <Zakim> +??P16
12:37:30 <phila> ... what I've done today is to see those divisions in the format of the doc
12:37:32 <jumbrich> zakim, ??P16 is me
12:37:32 <Zakim> +jumbrich; got it
12:37:36 <JeniT> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/metadata/#tables
12:37:38 <danbri> q?
12:37:46 <phila> ... looking at aligning that with existing RDF vocabs using JSON-LD
12:38:00 <phila> ... using @ to point to the CSV file
12:38:13 <jumbrich> zakim, mute me
12:38:13 <Zakim> jumbrich should now be muted
12:38:19 <phila> ... we can probably guess a rough version together over the next couple of weeks or a more formed version in 4 weeks
12:38:40 <phila> JeniT: So I'd welcome any comments on approach and direction. It means that we depart quite a bit from teh original data package format
12:38:59 <phila> ivan: So do we want at some point to go through the various issues before publication?
12:39:04 <phila> q+
12:39:18 <phila> JeniT: I think it's OK to have some issues in teh doc but it would be good to go through them
12:39:25 <phila> ... anything up to section 2,2 bascially
12:39:28 <danbri> q?
12:39:30 <danbri> ack phila
12:39:31 <phila> ack me
12:40:08 <danbri> q?
12:40:13 <ivan> q+
12:40:38 <phila> ack ivan
12:41:02 <phila> ivan: I think it would be good if this doc included a reference/example to the RDF conversion doc
12:41:28 <phila> ... AIUI if we use some sort of template for the RDF conversion then it should be clear where it goes in this metadata doc
12:41:33 <jtandy> agreed - it's not clear how the RDF conversion templates fit into the metadata doc
12:41:34 <phila> ... but it's not clear to me yet
12:41:37 <phila> JeniT: Noted
12:41:50 <jtandy> q+
12:42:15 <phila> JeniT: The format is very much taken from the data packages spec which doesn't include anything about conversion. I think that's a feature of the doc being young
12:42:30 <phila> danbri: Does it have any relationship to the UCR (explicitly)
12:43:02 <phila> JeniT: Not explicitly. Reqs are quite high level. e.g. 'Validation' - meaning what kind of validation?
12:43:08 <phila> q+
12:43:17 <phila> q+ to talk avout validation
12:43:32 <jtandy> zakim, unmute me
12:43:32 <Zakim> jtandy should no longer be muted
12:44:04 <danbri> q?
12:44:06 <phila> jtandy: I just wanted to say... following on from the weather obs example I put on github, I'll try and apply the metadata doc and if broken will feed back
12:44:07 <danbri> ack jtandy
12:44:19 <phila> JeniT: That would be v helkpful - but give it a week first
12:44:51 <danbri> (phil/ivan, where are we w.r.t. idea of rdf validation wg at w3c?)
12:45:02 <danbri> ack phila
12:45:02 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk avout validation
12:45:05 <jtandy> zakim, mute me
12:45:05 <Zakim> jtandy should now be muted
12:45:48 <danbri> q?
12:46:19 <danbri> q+
12:46:51 <phila> discussion of poss usefulness of proposed RDF validation
12:47:52 <phila> JeniT: validation of the JSON might be useful for people wanting to use a JSON schema
12:48:15 <danbri> q?
12:48:18 <danbri> ack me?
12:48:21 <phila> danbri: The RDF validation might take some pressure off us but we can't get wawy without any validation
12:48:24 <danbri> ack danbri
12:48:33 <phila> danbri: Anymore on the metadata vocab doc jeni?
12:48:38 <phila> topic: AOB
12:48:45 <phila> danbri: Any upcoming events?
12:48:51 <ericstephan> +q
12:48:55 <danbri> http://2014.eswc-conferences.org/
12:49:18 <JeniT> http://www.thinkingdigital.co.uk/
12:49:30 <JeniT> http://csvconf.com/ !!!!!
12:49:35 <DavideCeolin> possibly, but not 100% sure I'll be at ESWC
12:49:36 <phila> ericstephan: I'll be at hte data Reproducabilty workhop in Seattle tomorrow. Focussed on the biomedical community. Very spreadsheet-centric. Lots of discussion there on tools and standards
12:49:48 <danbri> this? http://escience.washington.edu/event/first-reproducibility-workshop
12:49:54 <danbri> ESWC? seems not.
12:49:55 <ericstephan> yes
12:50:03 <phila> JeniT: There's a CSV Conf!
12:50:11 <phila> ... the first international CSV conference in berlin
12:50:43 <phila> phila: notes "A conference for data makers. Part of the week long OKFestival"
12:50:47 <danbri> part of http://2014.okfestival.org/ (so Rufus might know more)
12:50:55 <phila> ivan: Is it important for us to be there and for them to know about our work
12:50:56 <danbri> jeni planning to go
12:51:05 <phila> JeniT: I'm planning on going and hoping to give a presentation
12:51:08 <phila> ivan: Great
12:51:20 <phila> danbri: I'd like to go if I can
12:51:39 <ericstephan> Thats our slogan CSV is relaxing
12:51:43 <yakovsh> there is going to be an ietf meeting in canada in july but its probably not relevant for our work : http://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/index.html
12:52:04 <ericstephan> bye everyone
12:52:07 <danbri> bye!
12:52:09 <yakovsh> bye
12:52:10 <jtandy> bye
12:52:10 <Zakim> -JeniT
12:52:12 <Zakim> -DavideCeolin
12:52:13 <Zakim> -AndyS
12:52:13 <Zakim> -ericstephan
12:52:14 <Zakim> -Ivan
12:52:14 <Zakim> -danbri
12:52:15 <Zakim> -phila
12:52:15 <Zakim> -jtandy
12:52:16 <Zakim> -yakovsh
12:52:16 <Zakim> -jumbrich
12:52:18 <phila> meeting adjourned
12:52:18 <Zakim> -fonso
12:52:20 <Zakim> DATA_CSVWG()8:00AM has ended
12:52:20 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.207.800.aaaa, jtandy, phila, +1.410.764.aabb, AndyS, danbri, Ivan, yakovsh, ericstephan, DavideCeolin, jumbrich, +44.797.442.aacc, JeniT, fonso
12:52:20 <jumbrich> jumbrich has left #csvw
12:52:23 <phila> rrsagent, make logs public
12:52:27 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:52:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/07-csvw-minutes.html ivan
12:52:33 <phila> trackbot, close meeting
12:52:33 <trackbot> Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot, close meeting'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
12:52:43 <danbri> jenit, http://w3c.github.io/csvw/metadata/ looks pretty good so far :)
12:54:35 <danbri> andys, re http://w3c.github.io/csvw/csv2rdf/ and field refs, a la schema:homepage <{+homepage}>; … there is a similar construct in the schema.org Actions spec. Except we used parallel property names, 'foo' becomes '-foo' to indicate that its value is a sorta variable
12:54:41 <ivan> trackbot, end meeting
12:54:41 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
12:54:41 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
12:54:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
12:54:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/07-csvw-minutes.html trackbot
12:54:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
12:54:50 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/07-csvw-actions.rdf :
12:54:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: danbri supply a json-ld sentence for csv2rdf doc [1]
12:54:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/07-csvw-irc#T12-24-07
12:54:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ivan to send 2 paras on format conversion in an e-mail that Andy will incorporate in the mapping Doc [2]
12:54:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/07-csvw-irc#T12-28-14