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14:55:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:55:46 <trackbot> Date: 06 May 2014
14:55:52 <AWK> Chair: AWK
14:55:55 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
14:55:56 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:56:24 <AWK> Agenda+ Publication timeline update - Techniques in by May 15!
14:56:31 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started
14:56:31 <AWK> Regrets+ Bruce Bailey
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14:56:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:56:44 <AWK> Agenda+ Update on Mobile Accessibility Task Force - Kathy W.
14:56:46 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
14:56:46 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
14:56:50 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
14:56:50 <Zakim> sorry, Joshue, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
14:56:53 <AWK> Agenda+ Survey: 6 May 2014 -
14:57:09 <AWK> agenda+ Discussion on http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_a_script_load_toggle_for_feature_detection_libraries_to_provide_a_conforming_alternate_version - Discussion on approach
14:57:27 <AWK> Agenda+  Review of https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses
14:57:37 <AWK> Agenda+ Review of https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments and Technique Template https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template
14:57:51 <AWK> Agenda+ Comment process for WG members
14:58:10 <Zakim> +AWK
14:58:47 <AWK> Zakim, agenda item 3 is Survey: 6 May 2014 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140506/
14:58:47 <Zakim> I don't understand you, AWK
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14:58:59 <AWK> Zakim, agenda 3 is Survey: 6 May 2014 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140506/
14:59:00 <Zakim> I don't understand you, AWK
14:59:03 <Zakim> +kathleen
14:59:11 <AWK> Zakim, Agenda?
14:59:11 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
14:59:12 <Zakim> 1. Publication timeline update - Techniques in by May 15! [from AWK]
14:59:13 <Zakim> 2. Update on Mobile Accessibility Task Force - Kathy W. [from AWK]
14:59:13 <Zakim> 3. Survey: 6 May 2014 - [from AWK]
14:59:13 <Zakim> 4. Discussion on http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_a_script_load_toggle_for_feature_detection_libraries_to_provide_a_conforming_alternate_version - Discussion on approach [from
14:59:13 <Zakim> ... AWK]
14:59:13 <Zakim> 5. Review of https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses [from AWK]
14:59:14 <Zakim> 6. Review of https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Working_Group_Techniques_Development_Assignments and Technique Template https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template [from AWK]
14:59:14 <Zakim> 7. Comment process for WG members [from AWK]
15:00:07 <AWK> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue, AWK, David_MacDonald, kathleen
15:00:16 <Zakim> +??P16
15:00:18 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:00:18 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:01:06 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
15:01:15 <Joshue> ack me
15:02:40 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
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15:03:53 <AWK> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue, AWK, David_MacDonald, kathleen, Michael_Cooper, Kathy_Wahlbin, Marc_Johlic
15:04:03 <Zakim> +Sailesh_Panchang
15:04:41 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
15:04:47 <Kathy> scribe: Kathy
15:05:01 <Zakim> +??P51
15:05:02 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 1
15:05:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Publication timeline update - Techniques in by May 15!" taken up [from AWK]
15:05:12 <Wilco> zakim, i am P51
15:05:12 <Zakim> sorry, Wilco, I do not see a party named 'P51'
15:05:31 <Kathy> AWK: reminder techniques are due by May 15th
15:05:31 <Joshue> zakim,??P51 is Wilco
15:05:31 <Zakim> +Wilco; got it
15:05:35 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:05:51 <Kathy> AWK: Next release is September
15:05:51 <Wilco> zakim, mute me
15:05:51 <Zakim> Wilco should now be muted
15:06:06 <Kathy> David: submitted three techniques
15:06:22 <Kathy> AWK: need to be separated in GitHub
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15:07:00 <Kathy> David: there are 3 that are related and I will separate them
15:07:17 <AWK> Zakim, next item
15:07:18 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Update on Mobile Accessibility Task Force - Kathy W." taken up [from AWK]
15:07:28 <Kathy> TOPIC: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Update
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15:07:38 <Joshue> ack me
15:07:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:08:00 <AWK> Scribe: Joshue
15:08:08 <Joshue> KW: I just want to give an update of Mobile A11y TF work completed to date
15:08:08 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
15:08:19 <Joshue> KW: THis is the URL for our wiki
15:08:36 <Joshue> KW: We have reviewed the mobile a11y pages on the WAI site and suggested changes to EO
15:08:51 <Joshue> KW: We wanted to clarify the work that is being done.
15:08:54 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Mobile_Resources
15:08:58 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
15:09:18 <Joshue> KW: We have a list of all available mobile resources, this is a collection covering iOS, Android, Windows etc.
15:09:37 <Joshue> KW: Down the road we hope to publish this as a note.
15:10:07 <Joshue> KW: We hope to identify what changes can be made to our current techs to make them applicable to mobile.
15:10:14 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_WCAG_Techniques
15:10:22 <Joshue> KW: This includes hybrid apps, native apps and so on.
15:10:50 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
15:10:58 <Joshue> KW: We list the techs applicability in the doc above and what type of mobile app it covers. There is a summary also here of the apps that require changes.
15:11:06 <Joshue> KW: We will be reviewing this as group this Fri.
15:11:34 <Joshue> KW: This doesn't include new techs that we need to develop for RWD apps etc but are the ones that require changes.
15:11:44 <Joshue> KW: We really want feedback so please let us know.
15:11:48 <Kathy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/New_WCAG_2.0_Techniques
15:12:10 <Joshue> KW: We've started to identify potential new techniques via brainstorming etc.
15:12:40 <Joshue> KW: Over the next month we aim to have a defined set of techniques that have examples, a list of new techniques and best practices.
15:13:17 <Joshue> KW: So thats where we are. If you would like to help, thats great. Getting people to attend meetings et can be a problem.
15:13:28 <Joshue> KW: We are going to need help writing techniques.
15:13:33 <Joshue> KW: Questions?
15:13:53 <Joshue> AWK: So you mentioned the mobile resources being published as a note? Is that far away?
15:14:10 <Joshue> KW: It is, it will be published after we some mobile techniques published under WCAG.
15:14:51 <Joshue> KW: Our main goal is to start working on changes to current techs and getting a good set of publishable mobile techs.
15:14:56 <Joshue> JOC: Great stuff!
15:15:14 <Joshue> AWK: Some techs here are marked as best pratice, what does that mean?
15:15:16 <Joshue> +q
15:15:33 <Joshue> KW: They would simply be WCAG best practice?
15:15:34 <Joshue> -q
15:15:43 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:15:43 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:15:58 <Joshue> KW: We are getting there but just want to identify things.
15:16:07 <Joshue> KW: We are still brain storming.
15:16:19 <Joshue> DMacD: Will it cover mobile apps?
15:16:22 <Joshue> KW: Yes.
15:16:36 <Joshue> DMacD: Can it apply to things without a http address?
15:16:39 <Joshue> KW: Yes
15:16:47 <Joshue> AWK: We did with WCAG2ICT
15:17:09 <Joshue> AWK: This is an area accross W3C which needs to be discussed further
15:17:16 <Joshue> KW: We are focussing on mobile web.
15:17:27 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:17:28 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:17:36 <Joshue> AWK: Any other questions?
15:17:41 <Joshue> AWK: When do you meet?
15:17:52 <Joshue> KW: Every Friday at 10am EST
15:17:55 <David> friday 10 am fridays
15:18:02 <Joshue> AWK: Anyone who wants to join please do.
15:18:27 <Joshue> KW: Yes! We need help writing, identifying  etc, we need more feedback.
15:18:44 <Joshue> Kath: If you look at the mobile page etc that you think should be added send it to me.
15:18:47 <MichaelC> ack me
15:19:15 <Joshue> MC: You must be a member of the mobile TF to be able to edit that wiki.
15:19:17 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
15:19:17 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
15:19:36 <Joshue> AWK: Ok, thoughts?
15:19:38 <Joshue> ack me
15:19:59 <AWK> Zakim, next topic
15:19:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next topic', AWK
15:20:03 <AWK> Zakim, next item
15:20:03 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Survey: 6 May 2014 -" taken up [from AWK]
15:20:19 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140506/results
15:20:26 <AWK> Scribe: Kathy
15:20:45 <AWK> TOPIC: 1. New Technique: Using the region role to identify a region on a page
15:20:58 <MichaelC> ack me
15:21:22 <MichaelC> zakim, mute me
15:21:22 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
15:22:10 <Kathy> AWK:  last week we talked about this and found some additional details and Sailesh made some edits
15:22:33 <Kathy> AWK: Sailesh, what change are you recommending?
15:22:43 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:22:43 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:23:30 <Kathy> Sailesh: looked at ARIA17, the test procedure references accessible name so we should be more specific and say that the region should be labeled
15:24:00 <Ryladog> q+
15:24:01 <Kathy> AWK: regions can be named in other ways other than aria-label, aria-labelledby
15:24:02 <Joshue> +q
15:24:12 <Kathy> Sailesh: we can reference the other ways
15:24:34 <Kathy> AWK: likes the simplicity and clarity of how it is now
15:24:54 <Joshue> ack me
15:25:32 <Kathy> Katie: I disagree, so we should define since it is an ARIA technique
15:25:35 <AWK> ack ry
15:25:52 <Kathy> Katie: Agree with Sailesh
15:26:36 <Loretta> let me call in again
15:26:42 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:26:50 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
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15:27:16 <Kathy> Josh: could go either way with the test procedure
15:27:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:28:20 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20140311/ARIA17
15:28:45 <Joshue> +q
15:29:29 <Joshue> -q
15:29:47 <Joshue> +q
15:29:53 <Joshue> ack me
15:30:05 <Kathy> Loretta: I agree with James that we need to be consistent.  Limiting to the existing ways that we have to define accessible name then we would have to go back later
15:30:38 <Kathy> Josh: teachable moment to tell people how to define accessible name
15:31:07 <Kathy> Loretta: including examples is fine, but the test procedure should be open that it is not restricted
15:31:32 <Wilco> +1
15:31:34 <Kathy> James:  can we change slightly so that it is open ended but we suggest mechanisms
15:32:04 <Kathy> AWK:  makes the procedure a bit more confusing
15:32:21 <Kathy> AWK:  it is clear in the description and examples
15:33:09 <Kathy> Josh:  we have to decide which way
15:33:32 <Kathy> David:  we should show people how do it
15:33:40 <Kathy> David:  test procedure, fine
15:33:44 <Joshue> overall I'm happy that the techniques are robust enough and that the examples are sufficient so I'd prefer a lighter test procedure
15:33:52 <Kathy> Sailesh: we should be consistent
15:34:28 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:34:28 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:34:47 <Kathy> AWK:  I would not want to hold this up for approval.  We may have some inconsistencies but it is not inaccurate
15:34:56 <Kathy> Katie: fine staying as is
15:35:20 <Joshue> ack me
15:35:52 <Kathy> Josh: ok with it as long as it is consistent with other techniques
15:36:05 <Kathy> Josh: should ARIA 17 be changed
15:36:12 <Kathy> AWK: we can raise as issue to review
15:36:39 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:36:39 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:36:50 <Kathy> AWK:  Michael had question on inline code example for #2
15:36:55 <MichaelC> ack me
15:37:17 <Kathy> Sailesh: fairly involved example, but it will be hard to read through so there is only a link to example
15:37:33 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:37:33 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:37:34 <Kathy> Michael: include just the code part that illustrates the example
15:37:51 <AWK> <div role="region" aria-labelledby="pollhead"> <h3 id="pollhead">This week's Poll</h3>
15:38:13 <Kathy> Michael: just the core lines of code, not the javascript
15:39:13 <Kathy> AWK: it should be relatively simple
15:39:24 <Kathy> Michael: copy the html
15:40:51 <Kathy> AWK: take a look at example 2 - wiki has been updated
15:41:38 <Kathy> Michael: looks good, add the closing elements so it is well formed
15:41:41 <Joshue> +1
15:43:22 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:43:22 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:45:00 <Kathy> AWK: that address the survey comments
15:45:17 <Joshue> ack me
15:45:30 <Kathy> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
15:45:39 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:45:39 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:46:07 <AWK> TOPIC: 2. Edit to H74 to address HTML5
15:46:38 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140506/results
15:46:45 <Kathy> AWK: suggestion to change the sentence around
15:46:50 <Joshue> ack me
15:47:10 <Kathy> Josh: just an editorial suggestion about repetition of words
15:48:44 <AWK> The HTML5 specification changes the requirements for some elements that previously needed opening or closing tags. Please consult the HTML5 specification for more detail.
15:48:54 <Kathy> AWK: how do you feel about this text?
15:48:55 <Joshue> +1
15:48:56 <jamesn> should we add a link - http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#optional-tags
15:48:59 <Kathy> +1
15:49:03 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:49:03 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:49:04 <Wilco> +1
15:49:13 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:49:13 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:49:55 <Kathy> RESOLUTION: add this text to example 1 in H74: The HTML5 specification changes the requirements for some elements that previously needed opening or closing tags. Please consult the HTML5 specification for more detail.
15:50:17 <Joshue> ack me
15:50:24 <David> Scribe: David
15:50:37 <AWK> TOPIC: 3. LC-2921
15:50:49 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140306/2921
15:51:43 <David> Akp: Heading for link context... Loretta, says update UA notes
15:51:44 <MichaelC> ack me
15:52:00 <David> q+
15:52:13 <MichaelC> ack me
15:52:38 <David> Mc: normally we detail change even if it what commenter
15:53:03 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
15:53:03 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
15:53:35 <David> David: only JAWS can do thqt and no one knows how to do it in the real world
15:54:09 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
15:54:09 <Zakim> I see David on the speaker queue
15:54:13 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140408/navigation-mechanisms-refs.html
15:54:17 <David> Shailesh: of thqt is only advisory, perhaps in understanding, remove it from explicit mention
15:54:47 <Joshue> ack me
15:55:16 <David> James: would be big impact, because lots of people rely on headings sufficient
15:55:55 <Joshue> +q
15:56:53 <MichaelC> q+ to say the comment is valid that the technique being merely advisory contradicts the text, we should either edit the text (current proposal) or make the technique sufficient (I´m also ok with)
15:58:03 <David> James: users go to the heading then go
15:58:27 <AWK> ack David
15:58:44 <MichaelC> q+ to note ¨...except where the purpose of the link would be ambiguous to users in general¨
15:59:01 <Joshue> ack me
15:59:48 <David> Joshue: I would have liked to spend more time on this issue.
15:59:49 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
16:00:29 <AWK> ack michael
16:00:30 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say the comment is valid that the technique being merely advisory contradicts the text, we should either edit the text (current proposal) or make the
16:00:30 <Zakim> ... technique sufficient (I´m also ok with) and to note ¨...except where the purpose of the link would be ambiguous to users in general¨
16:00:31 <David> Josh: I've seen this many ways...heading as a link... not fully decided...
16:00:33 <MichaelC> ack me
16:00:40 <MichaelC> ack me
16:01:22 <David> Michael: I don't have strong preference but commenter was pointing out inconsistency in test and text of techniques
16:02:10 <AWK> ack sail
16:02:15 <David> MC: link context doesn't appear to say that necessary to maintain focus to get
16:02:55 <David> SP: Focus on the link is how we determin programmatic association.
16:04:10 <jamesn> in this version it was sufficient - http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20120103/navigation-mechanisms-refs.html
16:04:14 <Ryladog> That is my recollection as well David. I agree with David.
16:04:20 <Ryladog> +1
16:04:38 <Loretta> q+
16:04:40 <Joshue> +q
16:04:58 <MichaelC> q+ to say would love to know how to dig up instituational memory re H80: since it´s fully worked up but advisory suggests it was once sufficient and then moved to advisory
16:05:17 <jamesn> q+ to day it was sufficient here http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20120103/navigation-mechanisms-refs.html
16:05:22 <Joshue> ack me
16:05:27 <AWK> ack lor
16:06:11 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
16:06:33 <David> Loretta: Support David's recollection of sitting on link... if we are stretching context there is always on the page
16:08:09 <AWK> q+ to ask if links residing within an ARIA region have an enhanced programmatically determined link text?
16:08:20 <jamesn> JAWS+T
16:08:30 <David> josh: Good point. I see it as user agent issue, obscure keystroke... might
16:08:41 <AWK> ack michael
16:08:41 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say would love to know how to dig up instituational memory re H80: since it´s fully worked up but advisory suggests it was once sufficient and then moved
16:08:44 <Zakim> ... to advisory
16:08:48 <David> Josh: interesting discussion
16:09:16 <AWK> not sufficient as of: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20130905/complete.html
16:09:49 <David> MC: H80 moved to advksory
16:09:58 <David> James: in 2012
16:10:00 <Joshue> s/advksory/advisory
16:10:35 <David> AWK: Keep open
16:11:13 <AWK> ACTION: AWK to find out when H80 became advisory
16:11:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Find out when h80 became advisory [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2014-05-13].
16:11:16 <David> Resolution: Leave open
16:11:35 <David> LC 2869
16:11:41 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2869
16:11:49 <David> Topic: LC2869
16:12:02 <Wilco> AWK, I'm pretty sure it was somewhere in the second half of last year, hope that helps
16:13:07 <Joshue> ack me
16:13:18 <jamesn> ack me
16:13:18 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to day it was sufficient here http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20120103/navigation-mechanisms-refs.html
16:13:31 <AWK> ack mew
16:13:34 <AWK> ack me
16:13:34 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to ask if links residing within an ARIA region have an enhanced programmatically determined link text?
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16:13:36 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F91.html
16:15:01 <David> AWK: Amending table header failures to allow aria role attribites
16:15:32 <sailesh> Sample with scope in table with colspan and rowspan that works http://mars.dequecloud.com/demo/Table-multi-colWithRowspan.htm
16:16:24 <David> AWK: not just that heading cells proper but that there is a relations, allowing to TH in complex rows
16:18:20 <David> Josh: Voiceover uses heuristics, but not sure about the notion of heuristics, would like more information
16:18:42 <Joshue> http://webaim.org/blog/semantic-automation/
16:18:49 <David> AWK: trying to remember our discussions about 2 vs one row of headers,
16:18:55 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20140408/H63
16:18:57 <David> Sailsh: H63
16:19:25 <Joshue> ack me
16:19:32 <David> awk: simple tables have th in first row or column
16:20:28 <Joshue> +q
16:20:36 <Joshue> -q
16:20:51 <Joshue> +q to discuss use of id and header vs scope and UA support
16:21:04 <AWK> ack sa
16:21:05 <Joshue> ack sail
16:21:46 <David> SP: h63 is the behaviour for scope... things have changed in jaws and nvda,
16:21:51 <Ryladog_> q+
16:22:10 <Joshue> ack me
16:22:10 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to discuss use of id and header vs scope and UA support
16:22:28 <David> SP: VO does not support two rows with scope, NVDA, JAWS now work
16:22:45 <AWK> ack ry
16:22:47 <Joshue> ack ryla
16:23:47 <David> Katie: for backwards compatibility... concerned about that ... if being supported now, but not for older technologies, we want to be careful about open envirnmnet
16:24:13 <David> Katie: have to take into account people with older texhnologies
16:24:23 <Joshue> s/texhnologies/technologies
16:24:32 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:24:32 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:24:34 <Joshue> ack me
16:25:52 <David> Current test is:      headers marked up with table header (th) elements, optionally with scope attributes
16:25:53 <David>     headers and data cells associated using headers and id attributes
16:25:55 <David>     headers marked up as td elements with the scope attribute
16:25:56 <David>     headers marked up with ARIA role attributes rowheader or columnheader
16:26:27 <David> Loretta: always worried about strenghthening failures
16:27:09 <David> AWK: do we think it is sufficient without scope
16:27:15 <jamesn> +1 to Joshue.
16:27:17 <Joshue> s/strenghthening/strength
16:27:19 <David> Josh: I think so
16:29:04 <Joshue> DMacD: Describes JAWS changes in behaviour
16:29:11 <Joshue> JN: Thats a bug in JAWS right?
16:29:29 <Joshue> DMacD: I haven't checked NVDA etc
16:31:59 <Joshue> AWK: Ok, we need to consider also if we are going to change h63
16:32:46 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:32:46 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:34:01 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:34:10 <David> RESOLUTION: Leave open
16:35:03 <David> AWK: Need to figure out how members can submit comments
16:35:09 <Zakim> -kathleen
16:35:10 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
16:35:10 <Zakim> Joshue was not muted, Joshue
16:35:26 <David> adrwe can you stay on with me fot git
16:35:51 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:35:52 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:35:55 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:35:56 <Wilco> bye!
16:35:56 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:35:58 <Zakim> -Sailesh_Panchang
16:36:08 <Zakim> -Wilco
16:36:10 <sailesh> sailesh has left #wai-wcag
16:36:37 <David> Zakim, list attendees
16:36:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joshue, AWK, David_MacDonald, kathleen, Michael_Cooper, Kathy_Wahlbin, Marc_Johlic, Sailesh_Panchang, Wilco, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
16:36:40 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller], Tim_Boland, James_Nurthen
16:36:41 <AWK> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:36:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see AWK, David_MacDonald, Marc_Johlic
16:36:45 <David> zakim, bye
16:36:45 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joshue, AWK, David_MacDonald, kathleen, Michael_Cooper, Kathy_Wahlbin, Marc_Johlic, Sailesh_Panchang, Wilco, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
16:36:45 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wai-wcag
16:36:48 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller], Tim_Boland, James_Nurthen
16:36:54 <David> rrsagent, make log public
16:37:01 <David> rrsagent, make minutes
16:37:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html David