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15:00:22 Zakim, this will be 63342
15:00:22 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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15:00:23 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:00:23 Date: 06 May 2014
15:00:30 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:32 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:00:32 On IRC I see pladd, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, markw, trackbot, wseltzer
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15:00:55 Zakim, this will be 63342
15:00:56 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:56 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:00:56 Date: 06 May 2014
15:01:06 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:07 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:01:07 On IRC I see ddorwin, pladd, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, markw, trackbot, wseltzer
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15:01:45 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014May/0005.html
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15:02:17 zakim, who is here?
15:02:17 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:02:18 On IRC I see pal, joesteele, acolwell, ddorwin, pladd, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, markw, trackbot, wseltzer
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15:02:40 Zakim, this will be 63342
15:02:40 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
15:02:41 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:02:41 Date: 06 May 2014
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15:02:53 zakim, what is the code?
15:02:53 the conference code is 63342 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:03:02 Scribe: joesteele
15:03:12 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014May/0005.html
15:03:23 Topic: Role Call
15:03:29 Zakim, who is here?
15:03:30 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, joesteele
15:03:31 On IRC I see davide, pal, joesteele, acolwell, ddorwin, pladd, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, markw, trackbot, wseltzer
15:03:31 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:31 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
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15:03:32 On IRC I see davide, pal, joesteele, acolwell, ddorwin, pladd, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, markw, trackbot, wseltzer
15:03:41 trackbot, start the meeting
15:03:43 zakim, start meeting
15:03:43 I don't understand 'start meeting', paulc
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15:03:45 Zakim, this will be 63342
15:03:45 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
15:03:46 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:03:46 Date: 06 May 2014
15:03:53 Zakim, who is here?
15:03:55 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, joesteele
15:03:55 On IRC I see BobLund, davide, pal, joesteele, acolwell, ddorwin, pladd, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, markw, trackbot, wseltzer
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15:04:35 ACTION-65?
15:04:35 ACTION-65 -- Paul Cotton to Make sure html5 bugs filed for item #3 related to MSE -- due 2014-04-16 -- OPEN
15:04:35 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/65
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15:04:46 Sorry, joesteele, I don't understand 'trackbot, start telcon HTML_WG'. Please refer to for help.
15:05:01 trackbot, this is HTML_WG
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15:05:13 Zakim, this will be 63342
15:05:14 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:05:14 Date: 06 May 2014
15:05:14 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 5 minutes ago
15:05:22 chair: paulc
15:05:33 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:33 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, adrianba
15:05:35 On IRC I see adrianba, BobLund, davide, pal, joesteele, acolwell, ddorwin, pladd, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, markw, trackbot, wseltzer
15:06:19 trackbot, status?
15:06:26 zakim, this is HTML_WG
15:06:26 ok, adrianba; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
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15:06:33 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:33 On the phone I see [Microsoft], +1.425.936.aaaa, MarkW, Aaron_Colwell, +1.781.221.aabb, pal, davide, [Microsoft.a], Cyril
15:06:37 zakim, who is here?
15:06:37 On the phone I see [Microsoft], +1.425.936.aaaa, MarkW, Aaron_Colwell, +1.781.221.aabb, pal, davide, [Microsoft.a], Cyril
15:06:40 On IRC I see cyril, adrianba, BobLund, davide, pal, joesteele, acolwell, ddorwin, pladd, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, markw, trackbot, wseltzer
15:06:45 zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
15:06:45 +adrianba; got it
15:06:49 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:06:49 +paulc; got it
15:07:21 Zakim, MarkW is markw
15:07:21 +markw; got it
15:07:39 Zakim, 425 is me
15:07:40 sorry, joesteele, I do not recognize a party named '425'
15:07:49 Zakim, .aaaa is me
15:07:49 sorry, joesteele, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'
15:07:55 zakim, i am aaaa
15:07:55 +ddorwin; got it
15:07:57 Zakim, aaaa is me
15:07:57 sorry, joesteele, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:08:38 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014May/0005.html
15:09:16 Topic: action items
15:09:25 Topic: MSE status and bugs
15:09:49 paulc: acolwell sent out a draft with some closed bugs, any feedback?
15:09:54 +BobLund
15:09:58 acolwell: no but was not expecting
15:10:10 paulc: two open bugs
15:10:18 http://tinyurl.com/kfeptqy
15:10:30 Topic: bug 24370
15:10:35 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24370
15:10:37 paulc: couple of outstanding items
15:10:58 acolwell: I need to implement the spec changes I proposed awhile ago (part C)
15:11:16 paulc: you updated the proposal?
15:11:19 acolwell: yes
15:11:25 ... pending
15:11:36 ... should be integrated in next week or so
15:11:42 Revised proposal to be implemented: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Apr/0087.html
15:11:57 ... (that is proposal (i)
15:12:06 s/(that/that/
15:12:16 acolwell: not the most recent one though
15:12:41 ... no that is the beginning of the thread -- there were later updates
15:12:44 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Apr/0095.html
15:12:50 that is the most recent IDL
15:13:32 paulc: looks like last message is #95
15:13:35 Last April message on this thread is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Apr/0095.html
15:14:14 ?1: comment from Mark said you would only have 1 track per file but would need to set the kind -- is that correct?
15:14:36 acolwell: alternate proposal does solve that problem -- initial suggestion was commented on and I integrated those changes
15:14:55 ... track ID is optional parameter on the constructor now
15:15:07 ?1: what happens if you don't put track defaults before?
15:15:13 acolwell: values will be unset
15:15:16 q+
15:15:24 ?1: will they be derived from the initialization segment?
15:15:35 acolwell: yes -- if in the byte stream will derive that
15:15:36 ack markw
15:15:50 markw: yes - what is proposed is the comments I made
15:16:36 ... I guess that parameters could be nullable -- was thinking of them as integers
15:16:50 acolwell: I did not make it that in case someone put the GUID as the track ID
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15:16:55 +[Microsoft]
15:16:57 ... will make a note to make that explicit
15:17:27 paulc: sounds like you are going to add this to the front of the queue -- for next couple of weeks
15:17:51 Topic: ACTION 65
15:17:58 action 65?
15:18:03 action-65?
15:18:03 action-65 -- Paul Cotton to Make sure html5 bugs filed for item #3 related to MSE -- due 2014-04-16 -- OPEN
15:18:03 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/65
15:18:36 [paulc: #3 I believe that refers to and was a comment about the HTML5 spec being made clearer in this area -- can you refresh my memory?
15:18:54 acolwell: believe this has to do with kind and language expcted to be immutable
15:19:01 ... if there is a change -- what happens?
15:19:19 ... sounds like what happens is the track is removed and a new track is created - but nothing in the spec says that
15:19:24 ... clarification is needed
15:19:36 ACTION-65 refers to "Sylvia and/or Hixie update the HTML specs to reflect the expected behavior for language & kind changes."
15:19:44 ... people have said that it is possible for them to change during a presentation so spec needs to say what happens
15:19:56 See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Apr/0043.html
15:20:20 paulc: bullet items at the end -- item 3 seems to refer to me
15:20:52 ... I believe I need to take this meesage and reply with Sylvia in the "to" field to see if any bugs apply to this message
15:21:02 ... any other comments?
15:21:12 Topic: bug 25518
15:21:25 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25518
15:21:26 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25518
15:21:45 acolwell: some thing we found in impleenntation -- need positive infinity
15:21:53 ... allow removing everything
15:22:02 s/impleenntation/implementation/
15:22:13 ... trivial change -- adds functionality
15:22:21 paulc: any comments on that?
15:22:50 Topic: MPEG audio byte stream format spec
15:23:01 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/default/media-source/mpeg-audio-byte-stream-format.html
15:23:19 paulc: original proposal put out after the F2F and was revied by Jerry
15:23:28 s/reviedreviewed/
15:23:33 s/revied/reviewed/
15:23:36 Arron's response to Jerry's review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Apr/0085.html
15:23:49 paulc: question is -- what is the next step?
15:24:00 acolwell: consider it done -- last update contains what I proposed
15:24:10 paulc: so this just sits as an editors draft?
15:24:24 acolwell: when it goes to CR we would snapshot the specs as we did before
15:24:34 q+
15:24:50 paulc: you remind me that when we published before we published some of the other bytestream specs with it?
15:25:01 acolwell: yes we had to make copies for some reason
15:25:33 adrianba: feedback from the director was that we should have something that was more traceable than the version control system
15:25:50 ... so they were copied into the W3C space -- some discussion about the long term future for this
15:26:05 ... i.e. was a wiki an appropriate method -- wnated something more formal
15:26:15 Example of what was published before: http://www.w3.org/2013/12/byte-stream-format-registry/webm-byte-stream-format.html
15:26:16 s/wnated/wanted/
15:26:32 ... need to discuss this more specifically -- because not a rec-track document?
15:26:40 paulc: I gave an example above
15:26:43 Registry: http://www.w3.org/2013/12/byte-stream-format-registry/
15:27:10 ... think there are two steps here (1) update the registry (2) move into W3C space
15:27:15 ... are those the two steps?
15:27:42 acolwell: right now the editors draft should be pointing to the editors draft of the registry and the MP3 spec is in there
15:27:50 adrianba: should we stop doing that?
15:28:13 ... is the registry done? we should look at the byte stream format stable enough to call done as well?
15:28:21 ... should determine how to publish them
15:28:40 ... as a complete doc that the WG has published -- should we wish to add/update in the future
15:28:45 ... update in the one stable registry
15:29:15 paulc: the actual CR draft has a section A.2 informative references which covers the registry -- but editors draft is missing that
15:29:32 CR draft: http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/CR-media-source-20140109/
15:30:06 paulc: open that document and go to the end -- you will see that there is a reference to thre gistry in A.2
15:30:09 A.2 Aaron Colwell Media Source Extensions Byte Stream Format Registry. 02 December 2013 URL: http://www.w3.org/2013/12/byte-stream-format-registry/
15:30:16 ... that is not in the editors draft
15:30:22 acolwell: yes
15:30:37 paulc: ok -- where is the updated registry?
15:30:53 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/byte-stream-format-registry.html
15:31:12 acolwell: if you look in the editors draft there is a pointer to it -- not an informative reference -- did not update to include it
15:31:18 paulc: that is a bug
15:31:31 acolwell: it is in the introduction
15:31:45 paulc: that is a bug
15:31:55 ... need to fix the reference
15:32:25 ... Adrian - is your suggestion that we should make a statement that we do not want a dated version in the registry? i.e. just a floating reference?
15:32:31 adrianba: not sure what you mean
15:33:07 acolwell: currently the MPEG spec depends on the current editors draft
15:33:29 ... if we put the registry in a static location and update what the CR points to, the MPEG spec won't make sense
15:33:36 ... the algorithm is not there
15:34:14 adrianba: we will need a plan for how to update the CR draft -- whether it requires a call -- then we can tackle the issue of where we keep the registry
15:34:25 acolwell: fine with that -- did not intend to fork at CR
15:34:34 paulc: can you open an MSE bug for this please?
15:34:59 ... we should have a CR bug that raises these questions and proposes how we solve it so we can point to this bug in the future
15:35:36 Topic: MSE CR tests
15:35:57 q+
15:36:01 paulc: we have tests submitted (Mike Smith) -- we need a reviewer
15:36:07 ... any volunteers?
15:36:28 ... this is message #81
15:36:43 ack adrianba
15:36:48 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Apr/0081.html
15:37:03 cyril: replied privately to Mike for clarification -- no reply as yet
15:37:10 s/?1/cyril/
15:37:30 paulc: more likely to get him on IRC -- if you have clarifications other might appreciate seeing them
15:37:40 ... should consider responding on the list
15:37:48 ... or CC me and I will try to get his attention
15:38:06 cyril: question was -- how many tests in total? would like to see what I can review
15:38:18 paulc: next item is pertinent
15:38:41 ... clikc on the link -- see about 10 tests
15:38:47 cyril: yes but those are only some
15:39:00 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pulls/shishimaru
15:39:04 paulc: your question is where are the other tests?
15:39:16 cyril: yes - which apply to MSE?
15:39:52 ACTION-64?
15:39:52 ACTION-64 -- Aaron Colwell to Review at the MSE test suite comments in https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/951 -- due 2014-04-22 -- OPEN
15:39:52 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/64
15:39:57 https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/951 to be reviewed
15:39:58 paulc: looking at the agenda -- next item was ACTION-64
15:39:58 q+
15:40:00 action-64?
15:40:00 action-64 -- Aaron Colwell to Review at the MSE test suite comments in https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/951 -- due 2014-04-22 -- OPEN
15:40:00 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/64
15:40:27 paulc: looking at that link -- comments that were submitted on Aarons tests
15:40:39 ... submitted on Mar 7th
15:40:43