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14:01:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes
14:01:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:01:40 <trackbot> Date: 05 May 2014
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14:58:24 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:58:24 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:58:37 <mgylling> zakim, code?
14:58:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), mgylling
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14:58:54 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'
14:59:01 <mgylling> zakim, ??P9 is me
14:59:01 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
14:59:10 <Zakim> +Tim_Cole
14:59:13 <Zakim> +duga
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15:00:20 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is AH_Miller
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15:00:55 <murakami> hello, I am new here...
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15:01:26 <dauwhe> murakami: hello and welcome!
15:01:38 <benjaminsko> benjaminsko: test entry, please ignore
15:01:49 <ivan> welcome, murakami!
15:01:55 <Zakim> + +1.585.708.aabb
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15:02:17 <david_stroup> 585 is david stroup
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15:02:43 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:02:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tzviya, Julie_Morris_BISG, AH_Miller, Ivan, ??P8, mgylling, dauwhe, Tim_Cole, duga, [GVoice], liza, philm, Stearns, Karen_Myers, david_stroup, gcapiel,
15:02:47 <Zakim> ... +1.212.965.aacc, [IPcaller], Bert
15:02:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, Bert, TimCole, david_stroup, karen, liza, philm, gcapiel, benjaminsko, brady_duga, murakami, tzviya, Julie, mgylling, AH_Miller, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent,
15:02:47 <Zakim> ... dauwhe, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
15:02:48 <ivan> zakim, ??P2 is murakami
15:02:48 <Zakim> I already had ??P2 as gcapiel, ivan
15:03:09 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
15:03:11 <ivan> zakim, ??P8 is murakami
15:03:11 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
15:03:27 <murakami> thanks.
15:03:59 <Zakim> +Luc
15:04:31 <tzviya> scribenick: tzviya
15:04:57 <tzviya> murakami: lead formatter representing CSS
15:05:05 <mgylling> sorry, tzviya, we had ben as scribe
15:05:20 <astearns> s/CSS/AntennaHouse/
15:05:31 <mgylling> scribenick benjaminsko
15:05:53 <fjh> scribenick: benjaminsko
15:05:54 <mgylling> prev weeks minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/04/28-dpub-minutes.html
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15:06:13 <benjaminsko> mgylling: 2 agenda topics for today and previous weeks minutes to be accepted. minutes accepted.
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15:06:40 <benjaminsko> ...second topic is structural semantics, first being continuation of last week which ended prematurely
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15:07:30 <benjaminsko> ...what are next steps for metadata? bill, in terms of harvesting info from interviews, where are we?
15:07:44 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:07:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tzviya, Julie_Morris_BISG, AH_Miller, Ivan, murakami, mgylling, dauwhe, Tim_Cole, duga, [GVoice], liza, philm, Stearns, Karen_Myers, david_stroup, gcapiel,
15:07:45 <Zakim> ... +1.212.965.aacc, [IPcaller], Bert, Bill_Kasdorf, Luc, pbelfanti
15:07:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see pbelfanti, Luc, Bill_Kasdorf, Bert, TimCole, david_stroup, karen, liza, philm, gcapiel, benjaminsko, brady_duga, murakami, tzviya, Julie, mgylling, AH_Miller, fjh,
15:07:47 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
15:07:47 <mgylling> BillK’s summary: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata#Phase_1_Strategy
15:08:33 <benjaminsko> ... last week's discussion coalesced in a good area--here's what we were hearing--priorities are: folks want to associate metadata with publications...down to phrase level..people's names..
15:08:55 <benjaminsko> ...eliza gave good introduction framing this. we're talking about metadata in web contexts, not in contexts like products
15:09:09 <ivan> s/eliza/liza/
15:09:43 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler
15:09:52 <benjaminsko> ... top of list is subject metadata, lots of vocabs very large, subject of keywords came up frequently, may handle separately...onix code lists...id's, extensibility, pedagogical information, rights information. those are priorities bill heard
15:10:11 <benjaminsko> ...two important things: schema.org already supports a lot, as well as microdata and rdfa
15:11:18 <benjaminsko> ....in schema.org, many vocabularies and complex. many publishers want the detail...we ought to be agnostic as to vocabs just support the mechanism. schema.org has lots of thse mechanisms. suggest partnering with BSIG.org
15:11:27 <TimCole> +q
15:11:35 <liza> Good summary, Bill
15:11:39 <mgylling> ack TimCole
15:12:17 <benjaminsko> TimCole: dynamicism of metadata of certain fields, tends to change a lot more often and build up over time vs natural resource(???) ddoes this have implications for best practices of ????
15:12:49 <ivan> q+
15:13:16 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:13:18 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: typically terms don't go away, new terms are added. old terms aren't made obsolete. lots are volatile. changes-rights, territorial, marketing. it's arguable that one needs to be careful what metadata you embed unlesss you can maintain it
15:14:05 <benjaminsko> pbelfanti: agree we need to articulate how to support it vs back one particular standard. where there are standards, is there a way to acknowledge that. e.g. with EDUPUB
15:14:19 <benjaminsko> ...can those particular instances (like EDUPUB) be acknowledged?
15:14:27 <benjaminsko> mgylling: where acknowledged?
15:14:34 <benjaminsko> pbelfanti: in the guidelines and recommendations
15:14:58 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: can be put in the to do bucket. ability is already there to point to an authority
15:15:10 <mgylling> zakim, who is noisy?
15:15:22 <Zakim> mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pbelfanti (61%), [GVoice] (47%)
15:15:39 <benjaminsko> pbelfanti: there are different entities....there should be as much consistency as possible
15:16:59 <benjaminsko> ?? i've reached out to schema.org ben brickly(?) public face of schema.org answered. when he is back home, happy to come to one of these calls and answer questions.
15:17:02 <Zakim> +Liam
15:17:14 <astearns> s/??/ivan/
15:17:24 <benjaminsko> mgylling: what are gearing up to do with schema.org
15:18:29 <benjaminsko> ivan: if there is an agreement that we would work together with light vocab for schema, we should find out if they (schema.org) are interested in getting it into schema.org
15:18:42 <benjaminsko> mgylling: what problem are we trying to solve in one line?
15:19:35 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: since we resolved last week it is appropriate to focus on books and since bsig.org is already working on this in examining schema.org and how well books are covered, there is an ongoing activity that we shouldn't have to duplicate
15:20:13 <benjaminsko> Julie: we are not far enough along to report on findings. done some initial work on common core, mapping elements... people know onix very well, trying to map what onix elements to schema.org, lrmi metadata
15:20:50 <ivan> q+
15:20:58 <benjaminsko> ... gerardo from benetech(?) completed a metadata crosswalk specific to accessiblity within edupub. see it expanded to other data points where it makes sense. not all of onix.
15:21:19 <benjaminsko> .... identify where there are mappings and where add'l work might be needed. consult with schema.org right and conduct a mapping
15:21:31 <benjaminsko> mgylling: what is the problem you are attempting to address julie?
15:22:01 <benjaminsko> Julie: identify where if particular metadata is input into onix where pubs can take advantage of metadata and include it in their epub files to be able to have structural metadata as well.
15:22:03 <dauwhe> q+
15:22:24 <benjaminsko> .... with less specific goal in mind: general win to show consistency between different metadata schemas
15:22:46 <benjaminsko> ... whether that is worth it to future of onix, hopefully they are in alignment as much as possible
15:23:41 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: keep with coming from coming up with yet another vocabulary. this is in response to enthusiasm for developing an "onix-lite" (not official name). advise we go slowly on that. instead see what BSIG is doing. they represent whole book pub industry and a re responsible for onix in Nrth America
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15:24:15 <tzviya> BSIG/s/BISG
15:24:36 <benjaminsko> mgylling: one liner summation: current metadata schemes used by publishers are  not web enabled, separate envelopes that don't blend with content properly. is that a problem
15:24:40 <benjaminsko> ??? yes that is a problem
15:24:51 <benjaminsko> mgylling: there is an absence of mappings between various problems out there.
15:24:52 <Luc> +q
15:24:52 <liza> s/???/liza/
15:25:16 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: true but i would say the problem is the capabilities of schema.org to express publishers' metadata is not well understood
15:25:23 <benjaminsko> mgylling: i can live with those
15:25:26 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:26:58 <benjaminsko> ivan: .... [sorrry, accidentally lost a line here].. if people use same metadata but different syntax, then that metadata is visible. my mental model is to do something similar. they could map 80% of their properties to schema.org
15:27:35 <benjaminsko> ... if they do that to onix, that is not possible as onix is way bigger. a model is to make a version of it and map it to schema.org hierarchy. so conceptually same terms could be used on web and searchable on web
15:28:15 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: onix--while it's huge, it's also modular. it's conceivable, at a high level, we have the properties that could be put in schema.org. the codelists in onix would not be put in schema.org. but referenced
15:28:35 <mgylling> ack dauwhe
15:28:37 <benjaminsko> mgylling: two diff levels. should we have web-enabled metadata? who should host the vocab
15:29:00 <Luc> +100
15:29:26 <benjaminsko> dauwhe: our onix data is all over web, amazon's book pages is example of that. not a direct process. onix travels separate from books. quite deliberate. want to update metadata with out having to update epub.
15:29:49 <benjaminsko> ... one thing lacking onix describes the entire publication. we may want more granular publication. no way to describe part of pub
15:29:55 <mgylling> ack Luc
15:29:59 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: that's a fundamental point
15:30:58 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
15:31:23 <benjaminsko> Luc: onix.. distribution schema for prices territories rights and so on.. made it available on the web. agree with dave. metadata made available by bookstores. e.g., user is looking at book from certain country, needs to be able to be shown country-specific rights, priceses per territory
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15:31:39 <ivan> q+
15:31:39 <benjaminsko> ...when ingested by bookstores, max is available on the web
15:31:47 <ivan> ack ivan
15:32:06 <TimCole> q+
15:32:46 <benjaminsko> ivan: understand that. question is: does it still make sense to define onix schema having a version of a subset of the whole thing that can be put as metadata for specific book in the book, but in various catalogs, e.g., in critiques of books, descriptions of books, so search engines can find them
15:33:01 <benjaminsko> ... should not have pricing in there because that's too complicated. maybe publishers don't need that at all
15:33:59 <benjaminsko> luc: we have this possibility already. made available to bookstore or website to consumers. the right thing as publisher for me is to include metadata inside the epub file.
15:34:15 <benjaminsko> ....include an onix lite without pricing for reading systems to use it
15:34:26 <benjaminsko> ivan: having it there in a way that would be compatible with rest of schema.org
15:34:30 <benjaminsko> Luc: agreed
15:34:53 <benjaminsko> mgylling: when you french guys say onix lite, do you just mean a better dublin core or retail metadata as well?
15:35:10 <benjaminsko> mgylling: in the epub
15:35:21 <benjaminsko> Luc: both bibliographic and marketing
15:36:01 <benjaminsko> ... often at the end of the print books, there are quotes, reviews, that would be put inside the epub itself, moved/transported/exported to onix, could be an html file that could be a new page of the book. but it would not be true metadata, just html
15:36:17 <benjaminsko> ... onix tags enable true metadata
15:36:26 <mgylling> ack TimCole
15:36:32 <benjaminsko> ...through metadata tags not just div or span
15:36:38 <ivan> q+
15:36:52 <benjaminsko> TimCole: comes back to last week's discussion. libraries often use 10% of onix to create bibliographic record
15:37:50 <benjaminsko> ...other things we talked about is linking--pricing, structural--so we have to look at onix not at onix lite, but a new module or focus that is these are the elements we need to enhance discovery, possible to link to info that is dynamic
15:37:55 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:38:05 <benjaminsko> ...hopefully won't require new stuff, but selectivelty into RDFa or schema.org approaches
15:38:17 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:38:25 <benjaminsko> ivan: it would be helpful for me if you luc wrote down yr vision of where the importance of this core work would be
15:38:35 <mgylling> ack Bill_
15:38:47 <benjaminsko> ...just email or wiki page
15:39:59 <Luc> EDItEUR
15:40:01 <Julie> q+
15:40:03 <benjaminsko> Bill_Kasdorf: there is another party that is crucial. that is EDItEUR they have a global focus, not only looking at this from english language or US POV, seeing it from asian, etc point of view, completely familiar with RDFa, etc
15:40:25 <mgylling> ack Julie
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15:40:43 <benjaminsko> Julie: we have reached out to graham to ask him to participate
15:41:32 <benjaminsko> mgylling: to summarize, we are kinda sorta noting that there is possibly a use for web-enabled vocab for books that has roughly same scope as onix and should live on schema.org
15:42:09 <Zakim> -duga
15:42:15 <benjaminsko> ..in order to ascertain that this is the case, we need to discuss more /stakeholders, not just graham and EDItOUR but also with BSIG so that would be first next step
15:42:33 <ivan> s/EDItOUR/EDItEUR/
15:43:11 <benjaminsko> ...next step would be modeling how would that look. but must make sure all stakeholders are at the table. as we know, schema.org already has book object. think it's great. it's richer than dublin core, with which epub is stuck with, horribly under-specificied, too weak for books
15:43:27 <benjaminsko> ...identify where dublin core needs greater specification
15:43:56 <benjaminsko> ...action item is with chairs,  and with julie and bill, to arrange necessary calls. figure out logistics offline
15:44:08 <liza> +1 everyone!
15:44:15 <benjaminsko> ..any final comments on metadata?
15:44:55 <ivan> Topic: Content & Markup TF
15:45:01 <benjaminsko> ..topic 2. quite awhile ago and had the task forces define their current top level goals in order to get going in some of the slower groups. the content and markup group had action to focus on structural semantics--problems and use cases. that was delayed and that was my fault
15:45:04 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics
15:45:36 <benjaminsko> ...today we are on our way with the wiki page with walkthrough of structural semantic inflection in open web platform. link in chat.
15:46:01 <benjaminsko> ...hopefully it is straightforward, broken into sections. first one is use cases, aiming one dozen use cases, not going for 100's.
15:46:52 <benjaminsko> ...many things publishers want to do is similar, so wanted bunch of core uses cases. use cases at the moment are divided into 3 categories: enhanced user behaviors based on clarity of metadata,  glossaries, indices, ... footnotes, genericzed here to be about conditional exposure of optional content
15:47:11 <liza> Everybody loves popups!!!
15:47:14 <benjaminsko> ...second category is assistive technology: one about navigation, context, cues, ability (DAISY feature for audio reading)
15:47:48 <benjaminsko> ..third is for re-purposing of content/re-mixing, a vast problem area to address. simple structural semantics would be surprised would get us more than 1/2 way there
15:48:04 <benjaminsko> ...feel free to propose add'l categories and use cases
15:48:40 <benjaminsko> ...second part of page: we will be bringing in people from ARIA workging group and from (??) the html editor to understand which of the html5 attributes we should be using to do this...
15:49:14 <benjaminsko> ...beyond the use cases, understanding the scobe is this interest group can come up with recommendation to digital publishing including future epub specs which way to go
15:49:15 <ivan> q+
15:49:47 <benjaminsko> .... epub is usuing first of options, name space attribute, and there are several agencies(?) and good reasons for revising that. that's a quick run through of the document
15:49:48 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:49:59 <liza> @epub:data-aria-role-type
15:50:29 <benjaminsko> ivan: several things: one-for use cases, there is a general use case-profile specification. as far as i know, it defines a specific profile and that must be marked up somehow
15:50:42 <benjaminsko> mgylling: that is not structural semantics, that is publication semantics()?
15:51:02 <benjaminsko> ivan: so that means within the content i would not have to mark up certain elements are playing a certain role?
15:51:28 <benjaminsko> mgylling: what did you mean by profile? top level metadata
15:52:02 <benjaminsko> Luc: for table, missing a column "suitability" whether usage of that specific construct is suitable for whatever we want to do
15:52:21 <benjaminsko> ..e.g., data attribute series could be used, but is sort of against the text and spirit of html5 spec.
15:52:27 <benjaminsko> mgylling: html editors get angry whenever we ask
15:52:55 <benjaminsko> mgylling: so we can add column to reflect wisdom of w3c editors themselves
15:53:35 <benjaminsko> luc: look at row of custom elements. that would mean in terms of open web platform, use the web components, gives structured way of defining structured elements, make use of very small but existing scripting, and is that acceptable?
15:53:43 <astearns> s/luc/ivan/
15:53:53 <benjaminsko> ivan: do we allow for scripting?
15:54:15 <benjaminsko> mgylling: the custom elements would be eligible to be prime candidate since it would be yes in all cells?
15:54:30 <benjaminsko> ivan: maybe, but it has a drawback which is not in the table, which is scripting
15:55:11 <benjaminsko> mgylling: it falls under the weirdly named "static provisioning" vs dynamic provisioning. custom elemetns would be no under static provisioning. scripting is still 2d class citizen. disabled by many reading systems. is that true in the future?
15:55:22 <benjaminsko> ... maybe scripting will be just as it is on the web
15:55:38 <benjaminsko> ivan: at least somehow we can record that in the table
15:56:17 <benjaminsko> mgylling: those who read through the use case collection have asked "why you haven't added ...."? gerardo are you here?
15:56:39 <benjaminsko> mgylling: do we have a good use case around infographics? typing SVG fragments
15:57:21 <benjaminsko> gcapiel: this...would also extend into SVG. use cases that rich and i and others can be incorporated into this. we can link to that. didn't think you'd go into SVG itself
15:57:53 <benjaminsko> mgylling: this is for open web content so not only html5, could be mathml as well. could you have a look and bring in something around complicated diagrams infographics, how it could be used in that area
15:57:59 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
15:58:23 <benjaminsko> gcapiel: other things ...big use for braille transcription. maybe have someone from that community to see if we have covered what we need. george would know some folks
15:58:54 <benjaminsko> ..folks from APA(?) would know that well. also Bert Bos.
15:59:09 <tzviya> s/APA/APH
15:59:14 <benjaminsko> gcapiel: thinking of the person who has been working..
15:59:26 <tzviya> q+
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15:59:30 <murakami> O'Reilly's HTMLBook will be a good use case of structural semantics http://oreillymedia.github.io/HTMLBook/
15:59:46 <astearns> Bert Frees?
16:00:18 <benjaminsko> [can't log back into call]
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16:00:52 <benjaminsko> someone please take over scribing. conf not letting me back in
16:01:06 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
16:01:14 <tzviya> me: thanks, ben!
16:01:17 <dauwhe> mgylling: thanks to Ben for scribing!
16:01:33 <Zakim> -liza
16:01:35 <dauwhe> ... thanks everyone. Goodbye!
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16:01:40 <liza> dauwhe: I filed a bug
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16:01:55 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:01:56 <Zakim> -murakami
16:02:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see dauwhe, [GVoice]
16:02:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see SuzanneT, pbelfanti_, Bert, karen, murakami, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
16:02:41 <Zakim> -dauwhe
16:02:48 <murakami> murakami has left #dpub
16:02:56 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:02:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see [GVoice]
16:02:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see SuzanneT, pbelfanti_, Bert, karen, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
16:03:05 <ivan> zakim, drop GVoice
16:03:05 <Zakim> [GVoice] is being disconnected
16:03:06 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
16:03:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Tzviya, Julie_Morris_BISG, +1.240.421.aaaa, Ivan, dauwhe, mgylling, Tim_Cole, duga, [GVoice], liza, philm, AH_Miller, Stearns, Karen_Myers, +1.585.708.aabb,
16:03:07 <Zakim> ... +1.212.965.aacc, david_stroup, [IPcaller], Bert, gcapiel, Bill_Kasdorf, murakami, Luc, +1.201.783.aadd, pbelfanti, Laura_Fowler, Liam
16:03:20 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:03:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:03:28 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:03:28 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:03:29 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:03:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:03:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/05-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
16:03:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:03:37 <RRSAgent> I see no action items