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14:00:14 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:00:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:00:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:00:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:00:19 <trackbot> Date: 24 April 2014
14:00:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:00:27 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Apr/0011.html
14:00:32 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix
14:00:55 <aphillip> agenda+ publish two documents
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14:01:07 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:01:12 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:01:13 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
14:01:13 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:01:14 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:01:15 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:01:15 <Zakim> +Richard
14:02:10 <Zakim> + +44.797.368.aaaa
14:02:18 <Zakim> +aphillip
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14:02:36 <aphillip> zakim, +44 is David
14:02:36 <Zakim> +David; got it
14:02:47 <aphillip> agenda+ radar
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14:03:02 <aphillip> agenda+ IRI Status, URLs, and Universal Access
14:03:14 <aphillip> agenda+ Time Zone IDs and HTML5.x
14:03:24 <aphillip> agenda+ CSS Text responses
14:03:27 <aphillip> agenda?
14:03:34 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:03:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/24-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:03:34 <Zakim> +koji
14:03:37 <Zakim> +JcK
14:03:56 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:03:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, David, aphillip, koji, JcK
14:03:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see koji, JcK, David, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
14:04:26 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:04:28 <aphillip> agenda?
14:05:01 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:05:02 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:07:29 <aphillip> close action-300
14:07:29 <trackbot> Closed action-300.
14:07:38 <aphillip> action-301
14:07:38 <trackbot> action-301 -- Addison Phillips to Add action items link to agenda -- due 2014-04-03 -- OPEN
14:07:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/301
14:09:32 <aphillip> close action-301
14:09:32 <trackbot> Closed action-301.
14:10:02 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:10:17 <aphillip> JcK: Precis LC closed yesterday
14:10:18 <r12a> q+
14:10:25 <aphillip> ... IESG will vote on shortly
14:10:55 <aphillip> Jck: URNbis WG published draft on removing URN from URI
14:11:06 <aphillip> ... all quiet on URN list
14:11:18 <aphillip> ... but more notice on other lists
14:12:13 <aphillip> ... "usual suspects saying usual things"
14:12:55 <aphillip> ack, r12a
14:13:00 <aphillip> ack r12a
14:13:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/24-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:13:26 <aphillip> richard: good news on Chinese layout task force
14:13:37 <aphillip> ... finished ruby part and now working on additional chapters
14:13:47 <aphillip> ... asked for english version for review
14:14:05 <aphillip> ... also contacted layout experts on Uighur
14:14:20 <aphillip> ... and Tibetan and Mongolian
14:14:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/24-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:14:53 <aphillip> richard: once enough done will have seminar before end of june on layout of major Chinese languages
14:15:30 <aphillip> richard: mentioned TLD universal acceptance meeting in Oman
14:15:49 <matial> matial has joined #i18n
14:15:51 <aphillip> ... they volunteered to help with travel
14:16:57 <aphillip> agenda?
14:17:10 <Zakim> +??P32
14:17:25 <matial> zakim, ??p32 is me
14:17:25 <Zakim> +matial; got it
14:19:00 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:19:00 <Zakim> agendum 5. "CSS Text responses" taken up [from aphillip]
14:19:09 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:19:09 <Zakim> agendum 2. "radar" taken up [from aphillip]
14:19:12 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:20:20 <aphillip> agenda?
14:20:29 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:20:29 <Zakim> agendum 1. "publish two documents" taken up [from aphillip]
14:20:40 <r12a>     Authoring HTML: Handling Right-to-left Scripts
14:20:40 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/bp-html-bidi/
14:20:40 <r12a>     Authoring HTML: Language declarations
14:20:42 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/bp-html-lang/
14:20:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/24-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:21:03 <aphillip> richard: would like to publish as updates to the existing WG Notes
14:21:25 <aphillip> chair: all in favor of publishing both documents?
14:21:33 <r12a> +1
14:21:36 <aphillip> addison: +1
14:21:38 <David> +1
14:21:50 <JcK> +1
14:21:57 <matial> +1
14:22:26 <aphillip> chair: resolved to publish
14:22:44 <aphillip> action: richard: publish two updated "Authoring HTML" WG Notes
14:22:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-302 - Publish two updated "authoring html" wg notes [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-05-01].
14:22:49 <aphillip> agenda?
14:23:22 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:23:22 <Zakim> agendum 3. "IRI Status, URLs, and Universal Access" taken up [from aphillip]
14:23:37 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/IRIStatus
14:26:47 <aphillip> (addison gives a summary)
14:27:49 <aphillip> addison: turn this into what? blog post originally, but maybe "requirements for IRI"?
14:27:59 <aphillip> JcK: stepping into large mess
14:29:39 <aphillip> richard: might be too formal as a note
14:31:48 <Zakim> -koji
14:32:31 <Zakim> +koji
14:32:48 <Zakim> -David
14:33:22 <Zakim> +David
14:36:28 <aphillip> agenda?
14:37:05 <aphillip> richard: one suggestion
14:37:12 <aphillip> ... title should change
14:37:29 <aphillip> ... should say "URLs"?
14:38:03 <aphillip> "Requirements for internationalized URLs"
14:38:26 <aphillip> JcK: "what's happening with I18N in URLs"?
14:38:45 <aphillip> addison: okay, can go with that
14:38:48 <David> How about "Internationalisation, IRIs, URIs and URLs"
14:38:48 <aphillip> agenda?
14:39:30 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:39:30 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Time Zone IDs and HTML5.x" taken up [from aphillip]
14:39:49 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/HTML5TimeZone
14:41:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/24-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:42:26 <aphillip> agenda?
14:44:18 <aphillip> 1979-10-14T12:00:00.001@America/New_York
14:44:25 <aphillip> 1979-10-14T12:00:00.001-04:00
14:45:02 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:45:02 <Zakim> agendum 5. "CSS Text responses" taken up [from aphillip]
14:45:47 <aphillip> koji: responded to the easy feedback :-)
14:45:59 <aphillip> ... either fixed or not fixed items
14:46:17 <aphillip> ... plan is that I will make another pass
14:46:29 <aphillip> ... then in week of 6 May
14:46:37 <aphillip> ... will be in SF to work with fantasai
14:46:40 <aphillip> ... to work on the hard ones
14:46:52 <aphillip> ... so reply to issues in my response
14:48:11 <aphillip> addison: problem with kashida: mentioned but then ignores
14:49:23 <aphillip> issue-335
14:49:23 <trackbot> issue-335 -- health warnings for when language not known -- open
14:49:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/335
14:49:48 <r12a> q+
14:50:08 <aphillip> addison: how can this be tested if non-specific
14:50:23 <aphillip> ... very flexible
14:50:31 <aphillip> koji: text not necessarily interoperable
14:50:45 <aphillip> ... like one UA does kashida but not antoher
14:51:04 <aphillip> ... if we know requirements very well
14:51:27 <aphillip> ack r12a
14:51:39 <aphillip> richard: there are different styles of arabic
14:51:48 <aphillip> ... naskh, nastaliq, ruqk
14:52:01 <aphillip> ... some you do not do kashida
14:52:19 <aphillip> ... if true, need a switch for kashida
14:52:32 <aphillip> r12a: kashida a lot lot lot more complicated than that
14:52:54 <aphillip> koji: depends on fonts?
14:53:00 <aphillip> richard: on the style of the font
14:54:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/24-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:54:32 <aphillip> koji: if a value, need to describe how to implement
14:55:15 <aphillip> addison: can implement "off" quite easily :-)
15:01:55 <aphillip> koji: spec mentions text elongation for arabic--that's "kashida" right?
15:02:04 <Zakim> -matial
15:02:08 <aphillip> richard: there is a Unicode character called kashida or tatweel
15:02:22 <aphillip> ... the real meaning is "elongation"
15:02:31 <aphillip> ... two different ways to using the word
15:02:38 <aphillip> ... but not addition of baseline characters
15:02:45 <Zakim> +??P35
15:02:55 <matial> ??P35 is me
15:03:04 <aphillip> koji: kashida only between letters
15:03:05 <matial> zkim, ??P35 is me
15:03:06 <aphillip> ... not to spaces
15:03:12 <matial> zakim, ??P35 is me
15:03:12 <Zakim> +matial; got it
15:03:46 <r12a> zakim, who's noisy?
15:03:57 <Zakim> r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: aphillip (58%), David (10%), matial (25%)
15:04:03 <r12a> zakim, mute matial
15:04:04 <Zakim> matial should now be muted
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15:05:22 <aphillips> richard: ruqha vs. naskh
15:05:32 <aphillips> ... one has space effects and the other prefers inside words
15:08:42 <koji> Justification adjusts spacing at word separators only (effectively varying the used ‘word-spacing’ on the line).
15:09:40 <koji> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-text/#text-justify
15:10:49 <koji> Word-separator characters are characters whose purpose and general usage is to separate words. In [UNICODE] this includes the space (U+0020), the no-break space (U+00A0), the Ethiopic word space (U+1361), the Aegean word separators (U+10100,U+10101), the Ugaritic word divider (U+1039F), and the Phoenician Word Separator (U+1091F). If there are no word-separator characters, or if a word-separating character has a zero advance width (such as the zero width space U+20
15:10:49 <koji> 0B) then the user agent must not create an additional spacing between words. General punctuation and fixed-width spaces (such as U+3000 and U+2000 through U+200A) are not considered word-separator characters.
15:11:06 <koji> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-text/#word-separator
15:12:24 <aphillips> koji: would be great feedback if you could make it
15:12:30 <aphillips> richard: phrase separators
15:12:47 <aphillips> issue-313
15:12:47 <trackbot> issue-313 -- Definition of grapheme clusters -- open
15:12:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/313
15:13:12 <aphillips> richard: helpful to do both at same time
15:13:21 <aphillips> issue-308
15:13:21 <trackbot> issue-308 -- Definition of 'grapheme cluster' -- open
15:13:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/308
15:13:55 <aphillips> koji: current working is intentional
15:14:00 <aphillips> s/working/wording/
15:22:18 <koji> A grapheme cluster is what a language user considers to be a character or a basic unit of the script. The term is described in detail in the Unicode Technical Report: Text Boundaries [UAX29]. This specification uses the extended grapheme cluster definition in [UAX29] (not the legacy grapheme cluster definition). The UA may further tailor the definition as required by typographical tradition.
15:22:25 <koji> Within this specification, the ambiguous term character is used as a friendlier synonym for grapheme cluster. See Characters and Properties for how to determine the Unicode properties of a character.
15:27:00 <Zakim> -David
15:35:06 <aphillips> rrsagent, make minutes
15:35:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/24-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
15:50:49 <Zakim> -JcK
15:50:49 <matial> bye
15:50:52 <Zakim> -koji
15:50:53 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:50:57 <Zakim> -matial
15:51:00 <JcK> JcK has left #i18n
15:51:03 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
15:51:03 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:51:04 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:51:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, +44.797.368.aaaa, aphillip, David, koji, JcK, matial
15:56:01 <aphillips> rrsagent, make minutes
15:56:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/24-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
15:56:09 <aphillips> rrsagent, bye
15:56:09 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/24-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:56:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: publish two updated "Authoring HTML" WG Notes [1]
15:56:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/24-i18n-irc#T14-22-44
15:56:11 <aphillips> zakim, bye
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