IRC log of webtv on 2014-04-16
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 13:00:16 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/16-webtv-irc
- 13:00:24 [kaz]
- zakim, this will be webtv
- 13:00:24 [Zakim]
- ok, kaz, I see UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM already started
- 13:00:27 [bgidon]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:00:27 [Zakim]
- bgidon should now be muted
- 13:00:30 [kaz]
- zakim, call kazuyuki-617
- 13:00:30 [Zakim]
- ok, kaz; the call is being made
- 13:00:32 [Zakim]
- + +1.650.946.aabb
- 13:00:33 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 13:00:34 [gmandyam]
- gmandyam has joined #webtv
- 13:00:43 [kaz]
- zakim, call kazuyuki-617
- 13:00:43 [Zakim]
- ok, kaz; the call is being made
- 13:00:44 [Zakim]
- +Kazuyuki
- 13:00:46 [Bin_Hu]
- zakim, aabb is me
- 13:00:47 [Zakim]
- +Bin_Hu; got it
- 13:00:54 [Zakim]
- +gmandyam
- 13:01:04 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:01:04 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [GVoice], bgidon (muted), +325045aaaa, Bin_Hu (muted), [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, gmandyam
- 13:01:06 [ddavis]
- ddavis has joined #webtv
- 13:01:06 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:01:11 [Zakim]
- +Karen_Myers
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- +Mark_Vickers
- 13:01:22 [giuseppep]
- giuseppep has joined #webtv
- 13:01:23 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:01:23 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [GVoice], bgidon (muted), +325045aaaa, Bin_Hu (muted), [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, gmandyam, Karen_Myers, Mark_Vickers
- 13:01:26 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:01:45 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.a]
- 13:01:53 [wuwei]
- wuwei has joined #webtv
- 13:02:03 [giuseppep]
- zakim, IPcaller is me
- 13:02:03 [Zakim]
- +giuseppep; got it
- 13:02:14 [karen]
- karen has joined #webtv
- 13:02:15 [kaz]
- zakim, IPcaller.a is skim13
- 13:02:16 [Zakim]
- +skim13; got it
- 13:02:21 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:02:21 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [GVoice], bgidon (muted), +325045aaaa, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, Kazuyuki, gmandyam, Karen_Myers, Mark_Vickers, skim13
- 13:02:24 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see karen, wuwei, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:02:27 [Zakim]
- +??P33
- 13:02:29 [ddavis]
- zakim, ??P33 is me
- 13:02:29 [Zakim]
- +ddavis; got it
- 13:02:51 [Zakim]
- -ddavis
- 13:02:52 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 13:02:54 [jcverdie]
- the call is now?
- 13:02:54 [Zakim]
- +EricP
- 13:03:01 [jcverdie]
- forgot daylight saving :(
- 13:03:07 [Zakim]
- +Daniel_Wester
- 13:03:13 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:03:13 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [GVoice], bgidon (muted), +325045aaaa, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, Kazuyuki, gmandyam, Karen_Myers, Mark_Vickers, skim13, [IPcaller], EricP, Daniel_Wester
- 13:03:16 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see karen, wuwei, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:03:26 [Zakim]
- +Paul_Higgs
- 13:03:41 [giuseppep]
- zakim, GVoice is elindstrom
- 13:03:41 [Zakim]
- +elindstrom; got it
- 13:03:46 [paul_higgs]
- paul_higgs has joined #webtv
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- + +1.818.370.aacc
- 13:03:56 [yosuke]
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- 13:04:06 [kaz]
- zakim, IPcaller is phil
- 13:04:07 [Zakim]
- +phil; got it
- 13:04:12 [Zakim]
- +??P38
- 13:04:14 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:04:15 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see elindstrom, bgidon (muted), +325045aaaa, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, Kazuyuki, gmandyam, Karen_Myers, Mark_Vickers, skim13, phil, wuwei, Daniel_Wester, Paul_Higgs,
- 13:04:17 [ddavis]
- zakim, ??P38 is me
- 13:04:18 [Zakim]
- ... +1.818.370.aacc, ??P38
- 13:04:18 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, wuwei, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot,
- 13:04:19 [Zakim]
- ... tobie__
- 13:04:19 [Zakim]
- +pal
- 13:04:19 [Zakim]
- +ddavis; got it
- 13:04:22 [Zakim]
- +Bryan_Sullivan
- 13:04:24 [CyrilRa]
- CyrilRa has joined #webtv
- 13:04:26 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:04:26 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see elindstrom, bgidon (muted), +325045aaaa, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, Kazuyuki, gmandyam, Karen_Myers, Mark_Vickers, skim13, phil, wuwei, Daniel_Wester, Paul_Higgs,
- 13:04:29 [Zakim]
- ... +1.818.370.aacc, ddavis, pal, Bryan_Sullivan
- 13:04:29 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see CyrilRa, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, wuwei, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS,
- 13:04:29 [Zakim]
- ... trackbot, tobie__
- 13:04:33 [ddavis]
- Scribe: Daniel
- 13:04:34 [Zakim]
- + +33.6.77.84.aadd
- 13:04:36 [ddavis]
- scribenick: ddavis
- 13:04:40 [ddavis]
- chair: giuseppep
- 13:04:44 [kaz]
- zakim, where is +33?
- 13:04:44 [Zakim]
- country code 33 is France
- 13:04:45 [pal]
- pal has joined #webtv
- 13:04:50 [Zakim]
- + +81.80.594.3.aaee
- 13:05:04 [kaz]
- zakim, where is +81?
- 13:05:04 [Zakim]
- country code 81 is Japan
- 13:05:05 [jcverdie]
- the conference is full :(
- 13:05:11 [kaz]
- zakim, who is noisy?
- 13:05:22 [Zakim]
- kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Kazuyuki (8%), phil (40%)
- 13:05:26 [ddavis]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:05:26 [Zakim]
- ddavis should now be muted
- 13:05:33 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:05:33 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see elindstrom, bgidon (muted), +325045aaaa, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, Kazuyuki, gmandyam, Karen_Myers, Mark_Vickers, skim13, phil, wuwei, Daniel_Wester, Paul_Higgs,
- 13:05:36 [bryan]
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- 13:05:37 [Zakim]
- ... +1.818.370.aacc, ddavis (muted), pal, Bryan_Sullivan, +33.6.77.84.aadd, +81.80.594.3.aaee
- 13:05:37 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see pal, CyrilRa, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, wuwei, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_,
- 13:05:37 [Zakim]
- ... MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:05:38 [jcverdie]
- kaz, sorry i can't call, the conference is full :(
- 13:05:42 [jcdufourd]
- jcdufourd has joined #webtv
- 13:05:47 [pal]
- zakim, who is talking?
- 13:05:48 [bryan]
- present+ Bryan_Sullivan
- 13:05:49 [jcverdie]
- zakim, call me
- 13:05:49 [Zakim]
- Sorry, jcverdie; you need to be more specific about your location
- 13:05:57 [Zakim]
- pal, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: giuseppep (25%), phil (62%), wuwei (10%)
- 13:05:59 [yosuke]
- The conference is full.
- 13:06:09 [jcdufourd]
- present+ JeanClaude_Dufourd
- 13:06:26 [jcverdie]
- present+ JC Verdie (on IRC, phone bridge is full)
- 13:06:52 [bryan]
- we are looking into expanding the bridge...
- 13:07:44 [jcdufourd]
- zakim, who is here
- 13:07:44 [Zakim]
- jcdufourd, you need to end that query with '?'
- 13:07:49 [jcdufourd]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 13:07:49 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see elindstrom, bgidon (muted), +325045aaaa, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, Kazuyuki, gmandyam, Karen_Myers, Mark_Vickers, skim13, phil, wuwei, Daniel_Wester, Paul_Higgs,
- 13:07:51 [kaz]
- zakim, room for 30
- 13:07:53 [Zakim]
- ... +1.818.370.aacc, ddavis (muted), pal, Bryan_Sullivan, +33.6.77.84.aadd, +81.80.594.3.aaee
- 13:07:53 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see jcdufourd, bryan, pal, CyrilRa, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, wuwei, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie,
- 13:07:53 [kaz]
- zakim, room for 30?
- 13:07:54 [Zakim]
- ... schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:07:54 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'room for 30', kaz
- 13:07:57 [Zakim]
- ok, kaz; conference Team_(webtv)13:07Z scheduled with code 26633 (CONF3) for 60 minutes until 1407Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked
- 13:08:30 [Zakim]
- -Paul_Higgs
- 13:08:31 [kawada]
- kawada has joined #webtv
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- -pal
- 13:08:36 [Zakim]
- -Mark_Vickers
- 13:08:45 [Zakim]
- -bgidon
- 13:08:51 [yosuke]
- present+ Yosuke Funahashi
- 13:08:53 [Zakim]
- - +33.6.77.84.aadd
- 13:08:57 [Zakim]
- -Bryan_Sullivan
- 13:09:02 [Zakim]
- -gmandyam
- 13:09:04 [Zakim]
- -elindstrom
- 13:09:04 [Zakim]
- -Karen_Myers
- 13:09:05 [bryan]
- drop and call back with 26633
- 13:09:06 [Zakim]
- - +1.818.370.aacc
- 13:09:07 [Zakim]
- -Kazuyuki
- 13:09:07 [Zakim]
- -Daniel_Wester
- 13:09:08 [Zakim]
- -wuwei
- 13:09:09 [Zakim]
- -skim13
- 13:09:10 [Zakim]
- -Bin_Hu
- 13:09:11 [Zakim]
- - +325045aaaa
- 13:09:13 [Zakim]
- -giuseppep
- 13:09:14 [Zakim]
- -phil
- 13:09:19 [kaz]
- zakim, this will be team_(webtv)
- 13:09:19 [Zakim]
- ok, kaz, I see Team_(webtv)13:07Z already started
- 13:09:22 [ddavis]
- All: Please dial in again using code 26633 (CONF3).
- 13:09:22 [Zakim]
- +bgidon
- 13:09:26 [kaz]
- zakim, call kazuyuki-617
- 13:09:26 [Zakim]
- ok, kaz; the call is being made
- 13:09:27 [Zakim]
- +Daniel_Wester
- 13:09:31 [Zakim]
- +[GVoice]
- 13:09:33 [Zakim]
- + +33.6.77.84.aaaa
- 13:09:36 [Zakim]
- +Bryan_Sullivan
- 13:09:37 [Zakim]
- +pal
- 13:09:41 [Zakim]
- +Bin_Hu
- 13:09:41 [Zakim]
- +gmandyam
- 13:09:44 [kaz]
- zakim, call kazuyuki-617
- 13:09:44 [Zakim]
- ok, kaz; the call is being made
- 13:09:45 [Zakim]
- +Kazuyuki
- 13:09:46 [Zakim]
- +Jean-Charles
- 13:09:46 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 13:09:48 [Zakim]
- +EricP
- 13:09:49 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.a]
- 13:09:50 [Zakim]
- +Karen_Myers
- 13:09:57 [bgidon]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:09:57 [Zakim]
- bgidon should now be muted
- 13:09:59 [Andy_Hickman_DTVL]
- Andy_Hickman_DTVL has joined #webtv
- 13:10:02 [jcverdie]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:10:02 [Zakim]
- sorry, jcverdie, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 13:10:02 [kaz]
- zkaim, who is here?
- 13:10:04 [jcdufourd]
- zakim, +33.6.77.84.aaaa is JeanClaude_Dufourd
- 13:10:04 [Zakim]
- +JeanClaude_Dufourd; got it
- 13:10:21 [Zakim]
- +??P41
- 13:10:23 [ddavis]
- zakim, ??P41 is me
- 13:10:23 [Zakim]
- +ddavis; got it
- 13:10:27 [jcverdie]
- Zakim, Jean-Charles is me
- 13:10:27 [Zakim]
- +jcverdie; got it
- 13:10:27 [ddavis]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:10:28 [Zakim]
- ddavis should now be muted
- 13:10:32 [jcverdie]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:10:32 [Zakim]
- jcverdie should now be muted
- 13:10:37 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:10:37 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, bgidon (muted), Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted),
- 13:10:41 [Zakim]
- ... [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, EricP, [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted)
- 13:10:41 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Andy_Hickman_DTVL, kawada, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, CyrilRa, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, wuwei, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu,
- 13:10:41 [Zakim]
- ... elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:10:43 [jon]
- jon has joined #webtv
- 13:10:43 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.aa]
- 13:10:53 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.aaa]
- 13:10:53 [ddavis]
- Meeting: Web & TV IG meeting - TV workshop follow-up
- 13:10:54 [w3c]
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- 13:11:17 [Zakim]
- + +81.80.594.3.aabb
- 13:11:25 [kaz]
- [ please access http://irc.w3.org and use #webtv as the IRC channel ]
- 13:11:28 [Zakim]
- + +325045aacc
- 13:11:50 [ddavis]
- Reminder: The call code has changed - please us 26633 (CONF3), NOT 932881 (WEBTV1)
- 13:11:53 [wwu]
- wwu has joined #webtv
- 13:12:20 [ddavis]
- Reminder: The call code has changed - please us 26633 (CONF3), NOT 932881 (WEBTV1)
- 13:12:34 [wwu]
- wwu has joined #webtv
- 13:13:00 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:13:00 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, bgidon (muted), Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted),
- 13:13:03 [Zakim]
- ... [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, EricP, [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], +81.80.594.3.aabb, +325045aacc
- 13:13:03 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see wwu, w3c, jon, Andy_Hickman_DTVL, kawada, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, CyrilRa, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, wuwei, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz,
- 13:13:03 [Zakim]
- ... Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:13:28 [Admin__]
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- 13:13:42 [giuseppep]
- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nQGA_g6Zp1mbO75LFVEzzHDOwxDjTjiFRas4KoF1i7M/edit#slide=id.p28
- 13:13:58 [CyrilRa]
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- 13:14:32 [CyrilRa]
- Missed the link to presentation. Can you repost
- 13:14:39 [giuseppep]
- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nQGA_g6Zp1mbO75LFVEzzHDOwxDjTjiFRas4KoF1i7M/edit#slide=id.p28
- 13:15:08 [ddavis]
- Yes
- 13:15:19 [kaz]
- topic: workshop next steps
- 13:15:52 [giuseppep]
- https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Agenda_and_Minutes/Agenda_Telco_16th_April_2014
- 13:16:00 [Zakim]
- + +1.818.370.aadd
- 13:16:36 [kaz]
- zakim, who is ehre?
- 13:16:36 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, kaz.
- 13:16:39 [kawada]
- zakim, 81.80.594.3.aabb is me
- 13:16:39 [Zakim]
- sorry, kawada, I do not recognize a party named '81.80.594.3.aabb'
- 13:16:44 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:16:44 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, bgidon (muted), Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted),
- 13:16:47 [Zakim]
- ... [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, EricP, [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], +81.80.594.3.aabb, +325045aacc, +1.818.370.aadd
- 13:16:47 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see CyrilRa, Admin__, wwu, MarkVickers, jon, Andy_Hickman_DTVL, kawada, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim,
- 13:16:47 [Zakim]
- ... bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:17:01 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: The workshop was held in Munich a few weeks ago
- 13:17:23 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: The slides for the next steps are here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nQGA_g6Zp1mbO75LFVEzzHDOwxDjTjiFRas4KoF1i7M/edit#slide=id.p28
- 13:17:46 [wuwei]
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- 13:17:49 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Firstly, there was a presentation on a new initiative called GGIE by Glenn.
- 13:17:57 [kawada]
- zakim, +81.80.594.3.aabb is me
- 13:17:57 [Zakim]
- +kawada; got it
- 13:18:01 [karen]
- Scribenick: Daniel Davis
- 13:18:16 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: There was a discussion on use cases and requirements which we also do at W3C.
- 13:18:18 [bgidon]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:18:19 [Zakim]
- bgidon was already muted, bgidon
- 13:18:20 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 13:18:24 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:18:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 13:18:38 [Zakim]
- +??P54
- 13:18:47 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: I don't we have much next to do with regards to GGIE.
- 13:19:16 [ddavis]
- Glenn: The group is meeting in a couple of weeks to discuss the charter and then we can come back to W3C to see if there's any overlap.
- 13:19:17 [Zakim]
- + +41.22.717.aaee
- 13:19:24 [ddavis]
- @@@: Is GGIE a W3C activity?
- 13:19:44 [ddavis]
- Glenn: No, it supports other standards bodies including W3C, IETF, etc.
- 13:19:56 [ddavis]
- Glenn: We're not sure yet where are "home" would be.
- 13:20:18 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: The slides are linked from the workshop agenda: http://www.w3.org/2013/10/tv-workshop/agenda.html
- 13:20:38 [kaz]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/tv-workshop/slides/Session8_GGIE-W3C-web&tv-March-2014.pptx GGIE slides
- 13:20:58 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Next is synchronization of media and metadata.
- 13:21:21 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:21:21 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, bgidon (muted), Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted),
- 13:21:23 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Many of these things are spread across existing specs
- 13:21:24 [Zakim]
- ... [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, EricP, [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], kawada, +325045aacc, +1.818.370.aadd, ??P54, +41.22.717.aaee
- 13:21:24 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see wuwei, CyrilRa, MarkVickers, jon, Andy_Hickman_DTVL, kawada, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon,
- 13:21:24 [Zakim]
- ... kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:22:23 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: There isn't any significant activity we can do, but the IG mailing list can be used to raise awareness of issues that could be reported as bugs.
- 13:22:37 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Do people agree?
- 13:22:44 [jcverdie]
- +1
- 13:22:55 [ddavis]
- Jean-pierre: I don't remember having such a deep discussion about metadata.
- 13:23:14 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: This is more about integration of existing specs and HTML5 spec.
- 13:23:36 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Do you remember something different?
- 13:23:51 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: I'll mail a link to the slides I'm sharing.
- 13:24:44 [ddavis]
- N.b. GGIE is "The Glass to Glass Internet Ecosystem"
- 13:26:25 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If we agree on the conclusion, I'm moving to slide #4 - testing.
- 13:26:56 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Note that the slides are not automatic - you have to click on each slide.
- 13:27:14 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: There was a discussion about testing which is very important.
- 13:27:23 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: There was a request to understand more about what W3C is doing.
- 13:27:33 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: There's a need for more test cases.
- 13:27:42 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Also, a discussion about what testing actually means.
- 13:27:50 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Different people may have different goals.
- 13:28:09 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If resources/tests are out there, do they match testing requirements?
- 13:28:35 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: What possibility is to use the IG or some other group to get a better idea of what's out there
- 13:28:47 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: And maybe have a Test The Web Forward event for TV.
- 13:29:14 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: The conclusion was the IG could facilitate a conversation.
- 13:29:24 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: There is already a working group and interest group.
- 13:29:31 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Any comments so far?
- 13:29:33 [bryan]
- q+
- 13:29:56 [kaz]
- ack b
- 13:29:56 [ddavis]
- @@@: We used to have a Testing Task Force within this IG. It produced analysis of what is needed for TV testing.
- 13:30:03 [kaz]
- s/@@@/bryan/
- 13:30:06 [ddavis]
- @@@: A lot of effort was put in - where did it go?
- 13:30:09 [kaz]
- s/@@@/bryan/
- 13:30:15 [bryan]
- kaz that was not me
- 13:30:54 [kaz]
- q+ bryan
- 13:30:54 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Since the activity of developing steps actually got stopped, there was no progress.
- 13:31:16 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: There was a lot of effort around testing. There was a set of requirements that we published.
- 13:31:19 [kaz]
- s/bryan:/@@@:/
- 13:31:20 [kaz]
- s/bryan:/@@@:/
- 13:31:45 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: What it said was we need a centralised placed for tests and have them run in a consistent way.
- 13:31:58 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: Some of that work has been done. We have centralised tests.
- 13:32:18 [paul_higgs]
- I asked the question
- 13:32:18 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: The big challenge was getting better coverage of tests and for that, W3C built a detailed test plan.
- 13:32:35 [kaz]
- s/@@@:/paul:/g
- 13:32:42 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: This required possibly more staff, definitely more funding but W3C didn't receive any money.
- 13:33:18 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: There is still effort going on and contributions by browser vendors. There is a backlog of tests and a requirement for test reviews.
- 13:33:39 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: So there's the opportunity for people to contribute tests and reviews, or funding for testing.
- 13:33:52 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: The depth of coverage is going to take a lot longer to improve.
- 13:34:00 [bryan]
- can we follow the queue?
- 13:34:06 [ddavis]
- paul_higgs: Which group should we take ideas to?
- 13:34:41 [igarashi]
- igarashi has joined #webtv
- 13:34:53 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:34:53 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, bgidon (muted), Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted),
- 13:34:57 [Zakim]
- ... [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, wuwei, [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], kawada, +325045aacc, +1.818.370.aadd, ??P54, +41.22.717.aaee
- 13:34:58 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see igarashi, wuwei, CyrilRa, MarkVickers, jon, Andy_Hickman_DTVL, kawada, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim,
- 13:34:58 [Zakim]
- ... bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:35:00 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: I would contact the people within each working group
- 13:35:22 [ddavis]
- bryan: I gave an overview of the testing effort at the workshop.
- 13:35:38 [ddavis]
- bryan: The testing IG is not going to do anything for you, and probably not the WGs either.
- 13:35:59 [ddavis]
- bryan: This TV IG needs to focus much more specifically about what's needed for certain test cases.
- 13:36:14 [ddavis]
- bryan: Just saying fill the gaps is not enough to make headway.
- 13:36:29 [ddavis]
- bryan: This TV IG needs someone to focus the work and contribute resources to do that.
- 13:36:38 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 13:36:54 [ddavis]
- bryan: I suggest you take a look at your existing HTML5 STB - map the features to web technologies, e.g. CSS opacity, etc.
- 13:37:11 [ddavis]
- bryan: Define which features are used and decide which tests are needed.
- 13:37:21 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:37:21 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, bgidon (muted), Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted),
- 13:37:24 [Zakim]
- ... [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, wuwei, [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], kawada, +325045aacc, +1.818.370.aadd, ??P54, +41.22.717.aaee, ??P9
- 13:37:24 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see igarashi, wuwei, CyrilRa, MarkVickers, jon, Andy_Hickman_DTVL, kawada, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim,
- 13:37:26 [Zakim]
- ... bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:37:30 [darobin]
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- 13:37:34 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: What's missing is where the tests are and tools are?
- 13:37:54 [ddavis]
- bryan: The community has to serve itself. I said we should do this on the wiki.
- 13:38:06 [ddavis]
- bryan: We should detail how to do this for ourselves.
- 13:38:28 [ddavis]
- bryan: We have to jump in - the people who know how to run tests have to lead the others. No-one else will do it for you.
- 13:38:42 [ddavis]
- paul_higgs: We need to be in charge of our own destiny.
- 13:38:53 [ddavis]
- paul_higgs: We should collect the tests for the TV environment.
- 13:39:18 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: I strongly disagree with this. The old testing group was closed down but there is a new one and a structure for submitting tests.
- 13:39:18 [bryan]
- what is the active group, mark?
- 13:39:28 [Zakim]
- +??P11
- 13:39:32 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: If you want to submit tests, there is a process and existing group to do that.
- 13:39:43 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: I don't think we should collect our own group of tests.
- 13:39:54 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: There's a good test plan and what's missing is people to do the tests.
- 13:40:03 [ddavis]
- paul_higgs: I think we agree but we're saying it differently.
- 13:40:11 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:40:11 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, bgidon (muted), Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted),
- 13:40:14 [Zakim]
- ... [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, wuwei, [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], kawada, +325045aacc, +1.818.370.aadd, ??P54, +41.22.717.aaee, ??P9, ??P11
- 13:40:14 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see darobin, igarashi, wuwei, CyrilRa, MarkVickers, jon, Andy_Hickman_DTVL, kawada, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam,
- 13:40:14 [Zakim]
- ... RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:40:18 [ddavis]
- bryan: There's no W3C group any more, it's hidden behind GitHub.
- 13:40:29 [ddavis]
- bryan: Right now there is no focussed effort.
- 13:40:45 [ddavis]
- bryan: Somebody has to coordinate and organise the effort.
- 13:41:18 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: People want to contribute test cases but they want to know where they go. And they want to know what tools are there.
- 13:41:43 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: The requirement is there.
- 13:41:58 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: There is a need for someone to drive this.
- 13:42:08 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: As it stands it's a bit confusing.
- 13:42:14 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: How to move forward on this?
- 13:42:41 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Maybe Clarke would be willing?
- 13:42:54 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: Are you talking about getting a task force going again?
- 13:43:06 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If everyone works on their own things could fall apart.
- 13:43:10 [bryan]
- the only mechanism of communicating with the "group" is the test-infra mailing list, and following the discussions on github (pull requests, bugs etc)
- 13:43:17 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: I.e. if we just provide people links.
- 13:43:25 [ddavis]
- bryan: I agree we should start with links.
- 13:43:49 [ddavis]
- bryan: We have to identify what tests are there.
- 13:43:56 [ddavis]
- bryan: Right now there is no guidance.
- 13:44:14 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Please could one of you send an email to the list summarising these points?
- 13:44:22 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Maybe in the next call we could cover this.
- 13:44:32 [ddavis]
- bryan: I said we could do something to help fill this gap.
- 13:44:38 [kaz]
- zakim, code?
- 13:44:38 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 26633 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz
- 13:44:46 [ddavis]
- bryan: Help to explain how to get engaged and what to focus on.
- 13:45:00 [darobin]
- may I suggest you email public-test-infra with questions, comments, and grievances?
- 13:45:16 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: In two weeks time we'll review it.
- 13:45:54 [ddavis]
- @@@: There's a view that if you've got a lot of money and engineers, all the problems would be solved.
- 13:45:58 [kawada_]
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- 13:45:58 [darobin]
- public-test-infra is there to help and is very helpful (also #testing)
- 13:46:05 [ddavis]
- @@@: But I don't believe that's the case.
- 13:46:15 [kaz]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 13:46:26 [Zakim]
- kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +41.22.717.aaee (9%), ??P9 (4%)
- 13:46:30 [darobin]
- I strongly suggest that any work on testing in WebTV be coordinated there, it will avoid confusion, duplication, mistakes, etc.
- 13:46:36 [ddavis]
- @@@: I don't think you'd end up with something that HbbTV or IPTV Forum Japan could use. There's no way to handle test IDs, test waivers and certification.
- 13:46:50 [ddavis]
- @@@: Some of the basic infrastructure is not there and I can't see it happening.
- 13:47:05 [bryan]
- robin, people don't know about those tools of communication - we can start by letting them know. but what this group needs most is to decide what features are important and to put resources onto those tests, reviewing, developing, whatever
- 13:47:06 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: In the DLNA we've referenced W3C tests for some time.
- 13:47:32 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: It's not a testing organisation so you're not going to get full infrastructure such as waivers. The referencing groups should do that.
- 13:47:34 [darobin]
- bryan: I think you'd be more successful deciding what to do by interacting with public-test-infra right away
- 13:47:50 [darobin]
- giuseppep: no, but if it's really useful I can kill this other thing I'm doing in parallel
- 13:47:53 [bryan]
- robin, I will do that
- 13:47:56 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: W3C is a place where the tests should be reviewed and seen to be technically correct, and hold a repository of the tests.
- 13:48:25 [ddavis]
- @@@: I agree with that, but what I would hope is that the infrastructure has some support in other organisations.
- 13:48:27 [kaz]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 13:48:36 [ddavis]
- @@@: E.g. they need unique IDs and version numbers.
- 13:48:37 [Zakim]
- kaz, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
- 13:48:47 [jon]
- The speaker is Andy Hickman from DTVL.
- 13:48:58 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.aaaa]
- 13:48:59 [ddavis]
- bryan: HbbTV has an exacting requirement for tests.
- 13:49:06 [darobin]
- Zakim, [IPcaller.aaaa] is me
- 13:49:06 [Zakim]
- +darobin; got it
- 13:49:10 [ddavis]
- bryan: That level of mapping, etc. does not exist in W3C.
- 13:49:16 [kaz]
- s/@@@:/andy:/
- 13:49:18 [kaz]
- s/@@@:/andy:/g
- 13:49:23 [ddavis]
- bryan: That needs to exist to make it happen.
- 13:49:25 [Zakim]
- +??P56
- 13:49:30 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:49:30 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, bgidon (muted), Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted),
- 13:49:33 [Zakim]
- ... [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, wuwei, [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], kawada, +325045aacc, +1.818.370.aadd, ??P54, +41.22.717.aaee, ??P9,
- 13:49:34 [Zakim]
- ... ??P11, darobin, ??P56
- 13:49:34 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see kawada, darobin, wuwei, CyrilRa, MarkVickers, jon, Andy_Hickman_DTVL, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim,
- 13:49:38 [Zakim]
- ... bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:49:42 [ddavis]
- @@@: It's hard for third parties to reference in a robust way.
- 13:50:09 [kaz]
- s/@@@:/andy:/
- 13:50:40 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: So it's not an issue of contribution but of how they are maintained.
- 13:50:40 [bryan]
- the problem is that W3C tests has been developed in an adhoc way with little specific guidelines or consistency on metadata, linking to spec/test assertions, etc. that is one of the key gaps for utility in certification programs. this was a comment I made at the workshop.
- 13:50:58 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: (scribe missed that)
- 13:51:26 [darobin]
- bryan: that is not true, they are largely consistent — metadata is simply considered to be of lesser importance, and something that can easily be provided externally
- 13:51:33 [bryan]
- it was also one of the goals for the Web Testing IG that have so far not been realized - how to change the process of test documentation and development to obtain more rigor.
- 13:51:33 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Next step - you (Bryan? Robin?) will send out information then I'll try to summarise the issues that have been raised.
- 13:51:41 [darobin]
- q+
- 13:51:48 [bryan]
- q-
- 13:51:48 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:51:48 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 13:51:54 [igarashi]
- igarashi has joined #webtv
- 13:52:02 [ddavis]
- andy: Do you know what the next step is?
- 13:52:25 [Zakim]
- -kawada
- 13:52:26 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: My understanding was that if there was no clear direction then it's not worth taking this to the testing group.
- 13:52:35 [kaz]
- i/workshop was held/scribenick: ddavis/
- 13:52:37 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:52:37 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 13:52:42 [kawada]
- zakim, ??P11 is me
- 13:52:42 [Zakim]
- +kawada; got it
- 13:52:49 [bryan]
- robin, OK I agree that if metadata needs to be provided externally, that is a solution if the underlying tests are structured in at least a stable, granular way. This group can provide that "external" augmentation. That's the "focus" I am talking about.
- 13:53:01 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: My proposal would be to not rush anything until we see that there are good tools out there that could be used.
- 13:53:04 [ddavis]
- q+
- 13:53:10 [darobin]
- bryan, that's certainly something we can handle
- 13:53:26 [ddavis]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:53:27 [Zakim]
- ddavis should no longer be muted
- 13:53:28 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:53:40 [ddavis]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:53:40 [Zakim]
- ddavis should now be muted
- 13:53:50 [kaz]
- i/There was a discussion on/scribenick: ddavis/
- 13:53:52 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:53:52 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 13:54:08 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:54:13 [kaz]
- ack darobin
- 13:54:14 [ddavis]
- darobin: Robin here. I work for W3C managing publication of HTML spec and help with testing effort.
- 13:54:35 [ddavis]
- darobin: It would be useful if any discussion of testing could be coordinated with public-test-infra mailing list.
- 13:54:47 [ddavis]
- darobin: There's been a lot of hearsay and misunderstanding.
- 13:55:03 [ddavis]
- darobin: The testing list is friendly and helpful.
- 13:55:17 [MarkVickers]
- public-test-infra@w3.org
- 13:55:19 [ddavis]
- darobin: Things are moving fast in terms of resources and documentation.
- 13:55:30 [bryan]
- internally, we are starting here... how to build test runner scripts based upon the existing tests in the repository, that execute the tests we are more interested in - that's one of the basic metadata items - what set of tests do you want to run. Then when we have found gaps, reviewing/developing the tests for them.
- 13:55:42 [ddavis]
- darobin: Don't hesitate to ask someone from the testing group to join in your discussion.
- 13:55:57 [kaz]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-test-infra/ testing infra email archive
- 13:56:08 [yosuke]
- s/resources/infrastructure, resources,/
- 13:56:15 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: When you send that mail, Bryan, please include the testing mailing list.
- 13:56:31 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:56:31 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 13:56:33 [ddavis]
- bryan: Will do. Sorry if it seems I don't appreciate the effort - I do but I think it's better if we work as a test.
- 13:56:35 [ddavis]
- ack ddavis
- 13:56:36 [MarkVickers]
- I encourage anyone to take any questions to public-test-infra@w3.org
- 13:56:40 [ddavis]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:56:40 [Zakim]
- ddavis should now be muted
- 13:56:46 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:56:47 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, bgidon (muted), Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted),
- 13:56:49 [Zakim]
- ... [IPcaller], Kazuyuki, wuwei (muted), [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], +325045aacc, +1.818.370.aadd, ??P54, +41.22.717.aaee, ??P9,
- 13:56:49 [Zakim]
- ... kawada, darobin, ??P56
- 13:56:49 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see igarashi, kawada, darobin, wuwei, CyrilRa, MarkVickers, jon, Andy_Hickman_DTVL, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam,
- 13:56:52 [darobin]
- +1 to working as a team, hence the suggestion to discuss with the testing team :)
- 13:56:54 [Zakim]
- ... RRSAgent, Zakim, bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 13:56:54 [Zakim]
- - +41.22.717.aaee
- 13:57:15 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Next is rendering of linear video, aka Tuner API
- 13:57:28 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: We discussed this previously with Bin leading the discussion
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- 13:57:36 [Zakim]
- -darobin
- 13:57:51 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: We discussed the need to take action quickly if we want a Community Group
- 13:57:51 [kawada]
- kawada has left #webtv
- 13:58:14 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: There are lots of people interested - strong interest in driving this forward.
- 13:58:16 [Zakim]
- -bgidon
- 13:58:48 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: We need five supporters. Last week we had a role call and got more than five supporters.
- 13:59:04 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: As a result, this will be moving forward but still no volunteer to drive the effort.
- 13:59:26 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: As a next step I'm thinking maybe we can help start off the work and see how the group proceeds.
- 13:59:58 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: There are other groups that have similar technologies so we can see how those specifications can contribute to our efforts.
- 14:00:14 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: So we're still missing someone to lead the group.
- 14:00:22 [jcverdie]
- ack me
- 14:00:25 [darobin]
- darobin has left #webtv
- 14:00:41 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: We have jcverdie happy to co-chair
- 14:00:44 [jcverdie]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:00:44 [Zakim]
- jcverdie should now be muted
- 14:00:52 [ddavis]
- jcverdie: I'd be happy to do it with Bin.
- 14:00:55 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: OK.
- 14:00:59 [ddavis]
- jcverdie: Great.
- 14:01:08 [Zakim]
- + +44.178.442.aaff
- 14:01:15 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: So the people who expressed an interest can propose the group.
- 14:01:36 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here/
- 14:01:36 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is here/', kaz
- 14:01:39 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:01:39 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted), [IPcaller], Kazuyuki,
- 14:01:43 [Zakim]
- ... wuwei (muted), [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], +325045aacc, +1.818.370.aadd, ??P54, ??P9, kawada, ??P56, +44.178.442.aaff
- 14:01:44 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: We have provided a lot of use cases in the past year so it's a case of deciding which one to use for the group, based on existing specs and requirements.
- 14:01:44 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see kawada_, igarashi, wuwei, CyrilRa, MarkVickers, jon, Andy_Hickman_DTVL, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim,
- 14:01:44 [Zakim]
- ... bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
- 14:02:01 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: So the Community Group will be independent of the IG and also open to anyone, not just W3C members.
- 14:02:26 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Once it's created let's announce it on the IG and maybe the CG chairs could report to the IG every month, for example.
- 14:02:29 [kaz]
- -> http://www.w3.org/community/ Community Groups page
- 14:02:42 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: I think that's important because of the heritage of the IG.
- 14:02:45 [ddavis]
- s/IG/CG/
- 14:02:57 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Any other comments?
- 14:03:10 [jcverdie]
- +1 to reporting progress to IG obviously
- 14:03:20 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.aaaa]
- 14:03:27 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Next is slide #6 - mostly regarding bugs around video element.
- 14:03:32 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:03:33 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Mark_Vickers, Paul_Higgs, Daniel_Wester (muted), [GVoice], JeanClaude_Dufourd, Bryan_Sullivan, pal, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, jcverdie (muted), [IPcaller], Kazuyuki,
- 14:03:33 [Zakim]
- ... wuwei (muted), [IPcaller.a], Karen_Myers, ddavis (muted), [IPcaller.aa], [IPcaller.aaa], +325045aacc, +1.818.370.aadd, ??P54, ??P9, kawada, ??P56, +44.178.442.aaff,
- 14:03:33 [Zakim]
- ... [IPcaller.aaaa]
- 14:03:37 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see kawada_, igarashi, wuwei, CyrilRa, MarkVickers, jon, Andy_Hickman_DTVL, jcdufourd, bryan, pal, yosuke, paul_higgs, karen, giuseppep, ddavis, gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim,
- 14:03:37 [Zakim]
- ... bgidon, kaz, Bin_Hu, elindstrom, skim13, jcverdie, schuki, timeless_, MarkS, trackbot, tobie__
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- 14:04:09 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: The IG should maybe get some feedback, maybe comment on the bugs.
- 14:04:21 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Do people feel our involvement would be useful?
- 14:04:33 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: At present we don't have task forces, just one IG call every two weeks.
- 14:04:40 [Zakim]
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- 14:04:57 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: The agenda for each call is open so if there's a specific spec that could benefit from being presented to the group, that's fine.
- 14:05:34 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: I like a single call and having the content decided as needed.
- 14:05:56 [ddavis]
- paul_higgs: I think I heard you say we could discuss the bugs on the call. But how should SDOs report bugs?
- 14:06:15 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Bugs should be reported to the e.g. HTML WG
- 14:06:32 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.aaaa]
- 14:06:40 [kaz]
- s/the e.g./the WGs, e.g.,
- 14:07:03 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If there's a problem with a spec, report it to the spec on Bugzilla - https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/
- 14:07:14 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If there's a problem then raise it with this IG.
- 14:07:19 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Slide #7
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- giuseppep: Communication between two UAs
- 14:07:46 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: We discussed whether there's anything more the IG can be doing.
- 14:07:59 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: The answer was no, because there are already groups doing this work.
- 14:08:37 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: See slide #7, and if you're not sure how to join in, ask the list.
- 14:09:08 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Next is #8 - performance measurement.
- 14:09:27 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: There was a discussion about what's needed and what W3C can do.
- 14:09:42 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Is now a time to go to the web performance WG with requirements?
- 14:09:52 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If so, there's a need for people to drive this discussion.
- 14:10:06 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Is there anyone on the call that feels this is important enough to drive forward?
- 14:10:20 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Is this related to the testing activity or outside that scope?
- 14:11:03 [ddavis]
- bryan: Performance measurement and benchmarks is always a tricky area. So far it's outside W3C's area.
- 14:11:14 [ddavis]
- bryan: Functional tests are the main focus.
- 14:11:23 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: There's a performance WG, right?
- 14:11:34 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Yes, but they focus on performance specs.
- 14:11:46 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If someone wants to discuss this, we're open.
- 14:12:07 [MarkVickers]
- Web Performance Working Group: http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/
- 14:12:14 [ddavis]
- bryan: If it's just discussing common ideas, that's OK, but don't build your hopes up with benchmarks.
- 14:12:29 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: I think you need APIs for browsers to measure performance.
- 14:12:38 [ddavis]
- bryan: That's worthwhile talking about here.
- 14:13:08 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Let's see if there's enough interest to continue the discussion.
- 14:13:30 [ddavis]
- yosuke: What we've learned (from HybridCast) is performance is still really important for actual production.
- 14:13:34 [bryan]
- I think experience with the video API will help identify that performance data gaps exist - testing may also uncover gaps in what people were expecting the API to provide, and that can drive bugs.
- 14:13:45 [ddavis]
- yosuke: If no-one's willing to kick off the discussion, I'd be happy to.
- 14:14:05 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: It would be helpful to send a mail to the list and if there's interest it can be followed up in the next call.
- 14:14:23 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If you can compile a list, e.g. of HybridCast issues, that would help start the discussion.
- 14:15:00 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Slide #9 - there was a discussion about accessibility.
- 14:15:31 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: There's more than just subtitles and captioning. We didn't really go into details, just continue in the IG if there's enough contributors.
- 14:15:37 [ddavis]
- s/there's/there are
- 14:15:58 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If you're interested, send a mail to the list and we can discuss it on the call.
- 14:16:20 [ddavis]
- Pierre: I saw a number of issues filed by Jon Piesing for HTML, e.g. caption/subtitle selection.
- 14:16:28 [ddavis]
- Pierre: Have they been addressed or resolved?
- 14:16:36 [ddavis]
- Jon: They are being addressed, slowly.
- 14:16:44 [ddavis]
- Pierre: Do you feel there's more that could be done?
- 14:17:04 [ddavis]
- Jon: It feels like it's purely a discussion between Silvia Pfeiffer and myself.
- 14:17:15 [ddavis]
- Jon: It's hard to know what other people think of the discussion.
- 14:17:32 [ddavis]
- Jon: You can assume that silence is consent, but the lack of people makes me nervous.
- 14:17:48 [ddavis]
- Pierre: Do you have a record of all the issues that are relevant to this group?
- 14:18:05 [ddavis]
- Jon: I can send something to Giuseppe who can forward to the list. There'll be more to come.
- 14:18:14 [ddavis]
- Pierre: Feel free to send it directly to me as well.
- 14:18:24 [MarkVickers]
- I believe anyone can send to the public list.
- 14:18:37 [kaz]
- right
- 14:18:42 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: It's OK to send a mail to the group asking for other people to comment.
- 14:18:58 [ddavis]
- Pierre: Jon, I'm looking forward to that and helping if I can.
- 14:19:28 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: It is a pattern for these things that one of the editors will lead the discussion. In this case it's Silvia as she's an HTML editor.
- 14:19:54 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: The bugs you reported were well written. I agree it's not a fast process but when it gets done it gets adopted by all the browsers.
- 14:20:11 [ddavis]
- Pierre: Now that HTML is taking over video content, that video content comes from places outside the browser.
- 14:20:25 [ddavis]
- Pierre: I'm sure many of us in the TV industry have experience we can contribute.
- 14:21:11 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: I agree. The HTML spec a few years ago was very basic for video and this IG has contributed a lot. Also, individuals from this group have gone on to work on specs directly.
- 14:21:33 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: Web browser experts are not necessarily media experts so they need us to chime in on these issues. Our role will continue to be important.
- 14:22:14 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Slide #10 - Pluggable CDM for EME
- 14:22:29 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Jan is not on the call. I didn't feel there was anything that could be done within the IG.
- 14:22:43 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: It's something that could be mentioned in the HTML WG Media Task Force.
- 14:23:10 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: In general, the W3C specs just cover the interface between the application and the browser.
- 14:23:38 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: The W3C takes the position that specs don't touch the plugin or anything above the browser interface.
- 14:24:18 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: The W3C in this area hasn't taken on any work defining CDMs or plugins.
- 14:24:19 [bryan]
- sorry, gotta drop - late for WebMob
- 14:24:27 [Zakim]
- -Bryan_Sullivan
- 14:24:47 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: The question of whether there's a plugin API that would work cross-browser is still an open issues.
- 14:25:15 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: You could raise it in the HTML WG Media TF and see the response.
- 14:25:41 [Zakim]
- - +1.818.370.aadd
- 14:26:02 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: So if Jan and the people who raised the issue are not here I'll leave it but they can raise it in the IG if they want to.
- 14:26:04 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 14:26:18 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: That's all I have for the workshop next steps. Anything I forgot?
- 14:26:53 [ddavis]
- kaz: Maybe Daniel or I should talk with Mark Sadecki about his participation in the IG?
- 14:26:56 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: OK.
- 14:27:14 [giuseppep]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2014Apr/0025.html
- 14:27:34 [ddavis]
- Topic: Request from DAP WG
- 14:27:48 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: They want feedback on the Network Service Discovery API
- 14:27:56 [kaz]
- s/about his participation in the IG/about the possible collaboration (maybe including his direct participation in the IG)/
- 14:27:59 [Zakim]
- -[IPcaller.aaa]
- 14:28:14 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: They want to know if the spec covers our use cases
- 14:28:25 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If people are interesting in implementing it and can share plans.
- 14:28:57 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: And if there are additional requirements, such as if there's no support for legacy devices will they still implement it/not implement it?
- 14:29:22 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: As an IG we can't answer this but we can send a mail to get responses.
- 14:29:49 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: So I'll follow up and draft an email, sending it to our liaison contacts.
- 14:30:19 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: Based on the email that they sent to everybody, looks like if there are no further implementations then their work will be shelved.
- 14:30:32 [Zakim]
- -gmandyam
- 14:30:35 [ddavis]
- Bin_Hu: It's a good time to speak up if you're interested in it or in implementing it.
- 14:30:41 [kaz]
- i|They want feedback|-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2014Apr/0025.html DAP Request|
- 14:30:44 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/16-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 14:31:01 [ddavis]
- paul_higgs: What do you mean by implementing it?
- 14:31:35 [ddavis]
- paul_higgs: TV manufacturers are interested in it but it's implemented in the browser, so it's up to browser vendors.
- 14:31:44 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: It's not limited to the browser vendors.
- 14:31:56 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Forks of WebKit would still count as implementations.
- 14:32:34 [ddavis]
- Also, it's up to TV manufacturers to request requirements as customers of browser vendors.
- 14:33:00 [ddavis]
- Topic: Update from the Media API TF
- 14:33:18 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Is there a volunteer to answer requests for an update on the status of the group?
- 14:33:24 [ddavis]
- MarkVickers: I can draft an email.
- 14:33:46 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: So let's close the call there.
- 14:33:51 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Anything else?
- 14:34:04 [Zakim]
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- -Paul_Higgs
- 14:34:08 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Next call in two weeks then and I'll send a summary to the IG.
- 14:34:11 [jcverdie]
- thanks giuseppep
- 14:34:13 [jcverdie]
- bye all
- 14:34:26 [ddavis]
- kaz: Next call will be a normal TV IG call, right?
- 14:34:33 [Zakim]
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- 14:34:37 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: Yes, and sorry I got the timezones wrong.
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- 14:34:48 [ddavis]
- giuseppep: If you want an invite, please let me know and I'll send you one.
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- giuseppep: Goodbye everyone.
- 14:35:13 [ddavis]
- Meeting adjourned
- 14:35:20 [ddavis]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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