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18:58:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WPWG
18:58:24 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
18:58:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
18:58:25 <trackbot> Date: 16 April 2014
18:58:26 <tobint> present+ tobint
19:02:51 <plh> zakim, this is per
19:02:51 <Zakim> ok, plh; that matches RWC_web-per()3:00PM
19:02:54 <Zakim> +Plh
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19:03:07 <Zakim> Plh is being disconnected
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19:03:14 <plh> zakim, passcode?
19:03:15 <Zakim> the conference code is 97373 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), plh
19:03:43 <Zakim> +plh
19:08:10 <plh> zakim, ipcaller zaki, aaaa is Ilya
19:08:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ipcaller zaki, aaaa is Ilya', plh
19:08:23 <plh> zakim, aaaa is Ilya
19:08:23 <Zakim> +Ilya; got it
19:08:39 <plh> zakim, ipcaller is Bernhard
19:08:39 <Zakim> +Bernhard; got it
19:09:05 <plh> Topic: Resource Priorities
19:09:29 <plh> Tobin: I thought that I addressed the question from Ian already
19:09:41 <plh> Ilya: what's the status of the spec?
19:09:57 <plh> ... two flags postpone and lazyload
19:10:03 <plh> ... still part of the discussion?
19:10:29 <plh> Tobin: obviously lazyload would push the download at the bottom of the queue
19:10:44 <plh> ... and postpone would downlowd it when it comes into view
19:10:51 <plh> ... but lots of problem woth postpone
19:11:08 <plh> ... don't necessarely have the layout information, like width and height
19:11:29 <plh> ... eg grid of images at the bottom of the page
19:11:50 <plh> ...so loop of download/decode/format/layout
19:11:58 <plh> ... so idea is to remove postpone
19:12:11 <plh> ... in theory I'm not sure how it would be practical
19:12:36 <plh> Ilya: are the examples public?
19:12:57 <plh> Tobin: no, didn't put anything out but can share some screenshots
19:13:03 <plh> Ilya: yes, it would be helpful
19:13:29 <plh> ... I;d like to move lazyload as far along as possible
19:13:44 <plh> s/... I;d/Tobin: I'd/
19:14:07 <plh> ... trying to get consensus for lazyload first
19:14:12 <plh> ... we could bring postpone later
19:14:21 <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2013Dec/0061.html
19:15:01 <plh> plh: that's the original email from Ian
19:15:30 <plh> ... he is worried about interaction between lazyload, defer, async, ES6
19:15:48 <plh> Tobin: I found the additional attributes, whenNeeded, needs
19:16:05 <plh> ... and I do think we need to come to some agreements
19:16:24 <plh> ... how to differentiate them and whether all of them are necessary
19:16:47 <plh> plh: whenNeeded would overlap with lazyload
19:17:12 <plh> Tobin: you could lazyload that and not execute it ith whenNeeded
19:17:35 <plh> agenda+ Beacon
19:17:54 <plh> agenda+ NavigationError logging
19:18:11 <plh> Tobin: so I can see some use cases for both
19:18:21 <plh> ... I'll have more feedsback next week
19:18:40 <plh> ... needs one is about dependencies
19:18:53 <plh> ... so I don't see conflicts between lazyload, whenNeeded and needs so far
19:19:33 <plh> plh: any update to the spec?
19:19:45 <plh> Tobin: we still had a few questions about postpone
19:20:06 <plh> ... the minutes were only mentioning removing from CSS
19:20:42 <plh> Resolved: postpone is dropped from Resource Priorities. could be brought back later if needed.
19:21:20 <plh> Topic: Beacon
19:21:27 <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2014Mar/0015.html
19:22:43 <plh> plh: would be good to make progress on that since Mozilla is waiting...
19:23:29 <plh> ... let's see if Arvind can make next week to move this forward?
19:23:40 <plh> Ilya: there is an effort to implement Beacon in blink
19:24:06 <plh> plh: another reason to move sooner rather later
19:24:38 <plh> Ilya: I'll ping Arvind
19:24:40 <igrigorik__> Blink Intent to implement: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/blink-dev/Vdi7F7Mk_rM/gxppKdAnLksJ
19:25:29 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues?labels=resource-timing&page=1&state=open
19:26:00 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues?labels=animation-timing&page=1&state=open
19:28:08 <plh> Navigation Error Logging with Privacy is at 9am pacific 04/24 (Thursday)
19:28:44 <plh> action-134?
19:28:44 <trackbot> action-134 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Find the status of protocol and size in resource timing -- due 2014-04-02 -- OPEN
19:28:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/track/actions/134
19:31:24 <Zakim> -plh
19:31:25 <Zakim> -Ilya
19:31:29 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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19:32:48 <Zakim> -Bernhard
19:32:49 <Zakim> RWC_web-per()3:00PM has ended
19:32:49 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], +657888aaaa, Plh, Ilya, Bernhard
20:18:35 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:18:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/16-webperf-minutes.html plh
20:19:01 <plh> Chair: Tobin
20:19:10 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:19:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/16-webperf-minutes.html plh