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14:02:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:02:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
14:02:57 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:02:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:02:58 <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2014
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14:06:57 <ivan> zakim, this will be 3782
14:06:57 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ivan
14:07:27 <Zakim> restarting in 1 minute to recover full bridge state
14:08:14 <mgylling> ivan, our call starts 52 minutes from now right?
14:08:58 <ivan> yes
14:09:03 <mgylling> ok, good
14:09:05 <ivan> but zakim is sick:-(
14:09:10 <Zakim> bot restarting; /invite bot in 1 minute if you wish
14:09:30 <ivan> we had some internal issues due to heartbleed, had to change certificates
14:09:32 <ivan> :-(
14:09:38 <mgylling> ah
14:09:44 <ivan> damn security issues
14:09:57 <ivan> but you see that zakim is rebooting, hopefully that will work
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14:27:18 <ivan> zakim, this will be 3782
14:27:18 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
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14:56:00 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started
14:56:08 <Zakim> +??P21
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14:56:39 <Zakim> + +1.917.207.aabb
14:56:45 <dauwhe> Zakim, aabb is me
14:56:45 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it
14:56:47 <Zakim> +??P21
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14:57:40 <fjh> zakim, code?
14:57:40 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
14:57:46 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??P21 is me
14:57:46 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
14:57:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:57:56 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:57:56 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:58:11 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
14:58:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:58:26 <Zakim> + +1.505.603.aacc
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14:59:00 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
14:59:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.617.453.aaaa, dauwhe, gcapiel, fjh, [IPcaller], +1.505.603.aacc
14:59:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see brady_duga, azaroth, tzviya, AH_Miller, gcapiel, david_stroup, liza, fjh, Zakim, mgylling, RRSAgent, pbelfanti, Bert, dauwhe, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns
14:59:09 <azaroth> zakim, aacc is azaroth
14:59:09 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
14:59:18 <Zakim> + +1.201.387.aadd
14:59:30 <tzviya> zakim, aadd is tzviya
14:59:30 <Zakim> +tzviya; got it
14:59:42 <liza> zakim, aaaa is me
14:59:42 <Zakim> +liza; got it
14:59:47 <Zakim> +??P32
14:59:55 <mgylling> zakim, P32 is me
14:59:55 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'P32'
15:00:05 <Zakim> + +1.201.236.aaee
15:00:06 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:00:11 <mgylling> zakim, ??P32 is me
15:00:11 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
15:00:15 <Zakim> +duga
15:00:26 <Zakim> +Bert
15:00:44 <mgylling> zakim, who is here
15:00:44 <Zakim> mgylling, you need to end that query with '?'
15:00:47 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:00:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see liza, dauwhe, gcapiel, fjh, [IPcaller], azaroth, tzviya, mgylling, +1.201.236.aaee, Ivan, duga, Bert
15:00:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see brady_duga, azaroth, tzviya, AH_Miller, david_stroup, liza, fjh, Zakim, mgylling, RRSAgent, pbelfanti, Bert, dauwhe, ivan, liam, trackbot, plinss, astearns
15:01:16 <ivan> zakim, aaee is pbelfanti
15:01:16 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it
15:01:19 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aaff
15:01:34 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
15:01:52 <Zakim> + +1.585.217.aagg
15:02:18 <mgylling> regrets: Thierry, Alan, Julie
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15:03:26 <dauwhe> Zakim, IPcaller is AH_Miller
15:03:26 <Zakim> +AH_Miller; got it
15:03:29 <ivan> zakim, aaff is benjaminsko
15:03:29 <Zakim> +benjaminsko; got it
15:03:35 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is AH_Miller
15:03:35 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
15:04:02 <ivan> zakim, aagg is david_stroup
15:04:02 <Zakim> +david_stroup; got it
15:04:20 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
15:04:35 <Zakim> + +1.303.475.aahh
15:04:43 <karen> +1 scribes
15:05:17 <dauwhe> mgylling: before agenda, Michael Miller has joined W3C from Antenna House
15:05:21 <ivan> zakim, aahh is casey
15:05:21 <Zakim> +casey; got it
15:05:37 <dauwhe> AH_Miller: From Antenna House for 11 years
15:05:41 <gcapiel> gcapiel has joined #dpub
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15:05:55 <dauwhe> ... we work with paged media
15:05:56 <Vlad> Vlad has joined #dpub
15:06:01 <dauwhe> ... interested in EPUB as well
15:06:02 <Zakim> + +329331aaii
15:06:21 <dauwhe> ... been wanting to participate for some time, we finally convinced the president to join W3C
15:06:21 <TomDN> Zakim, +32 is me
15:06:21 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
15:06:33 <dauwhe> ... to work with the standards that influence our business so much
15:06:41 <Zakim> +Vlad
15:06:50 <dauwhe> mgylling: I expect that CSS and layouts are primary interests
15:06:54 <Vlad> Sorry I am late
15:06:58 <dauwhe> ... are you aware of Latinreq
15:07:20 <dauwhe> AH_Miller: I've just started looking at it, along with Mr. Murakami
15:07:23 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
15:07:41 <dauwhe> mgylling: great, and welcome!
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15:08:22 <dauwhe> mgylling: next Monday, major holiday in Sweden and most Euro countries
15:08:25 <fjh> regrets for next week
15:08:33 <azaroth> regrets for next week too
15:08:49 <david_stroup> regrets for next week
15:08:57 <dauwhe> ... easy choice. Next monday's meeting is cancelled
15:09:08 <dauwhe> ... quick question about organizing a metadata call
15:09:15 <dauwhe> ... should we discuss this here?
15:09:37 <dauwhe> Ivan: Bill Kasdorf is out this week, so not being organized yet
15:09:43 <dauwhe> ... I was travelling
15:10:03 <dauwhe> ... We should wait for Bill Kasdorf to come back, then organize call
15:10:27 <dauwhe> ... many emails recently from Luc and Julie Morris about mini-ONIX. Looks promising
15:10:47 <dauwhe> mgylling: Good. One upcoming meeting will be review of Bill/Madi interview sessions.
15:10:54 <dauwhe> .... we could have metadata orgy in two weeks :)
15:11:04 <dauwhe> ... two topics for today
15:11:34 <dauwhe> ... Thierry is not here today
15:11:41 <dauwhe> ... but with Ivan and Karen here we can talk about
15:11:55 <dauwhe> ... Topic: w3c specs of interest to digital publishing community
15:12:04 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB
15:12:19 <dauwhe> ... this is one of the deliverables we were charted to produce
15:12:26 <dauwhe> ... first sentence quotes charter
15:12:43 <dauwhe> ... how is this intended to be used?
15:12:58 <dauwhe> ... it's already exceedingly large, and such things become difficult to work with
15:13:12 <dauwhe> Ivan: w3c doesn't have any more say than anyone else
15:13:19 <dauwhe> ... what's useful?
15:13:27 <dauwhe> ... what information is useful for the community?
15:13:57 <dauwhe> ... I would probably separate recommendations (cast in concrete)
15:13:59 <Luc> Luc has joined #dpub
15:14:08 <dauwhe> ... perhaps separate primers, tutorials (???)
15:14:29 <dauwhe> ... most important thing is probably documents that are important to community but haven't reached rec status
15:14:39 <dauwhe> ... maybe get current plans on status
15:14:56 <dauwhe> ... references to Editor's drafts as well as published versions
15:15:12 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aajj
15:15:26 <dauwhe> ... which of these are implemented? IDPF and BISG are already dealing with this on some level
15:15:44 <dauwhe> ... goal is getting info out of the maze of w3c pages, make it more accessible to the publishing community
15:15:47 <tzviya> q+
15:15:53 <dauwhe> ... leave it to the group to decide what is useful
15:15:56 <ivan> zakim, aajj is Luc
15:15:56 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
15:15:59 <dauwhe> mgylling: right
15:16:20 <dauwhe> ...this could be a living resource, stay as wiki page
15:16:42 <dauwhe> ... usually what happens is that when a WG closes, wiki pages become read-only
15:16:48 <dauwhe> s/.../Ivan
15:17:05 <dauwhe> Ivan: we might need to move to different wiki outside of DPUB, after DPUB closes
15:17:14 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aakk
15:17:18 <dauwhe> mgylling: you mentioned palatibility
15:17:32 <dauwhe> ... the intended audience isn't exclusively w3c working groups and members
15:17:41 <dauwhe> Ivan: meant for publishing community, NOT w3c
15:18:19 <ivan> zakim, aakk is Laura_Fowler
15:18:19 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler; got it
15:18:33 <dauwhe> ???: target is general pub community, so it needs to be less technical
15:18:46 <dauwhe> ... to set context, etc. then have links to deeper content
15:18:54 <dauwhe> s/???/pbelfanti/
15:19:03 <dauwhe> mgylling: some kind of overlay as gentle introduction?
15:19:18 <dauwhe> pbelfanti: in layout and styling, the order is not how you'd want to digest
15:19:25 <dauwhe> ... some organization along those lines would be good
15:19:38 <dauwhe> ... plus high-level description of what sections are about, who would be interested
15:19:51 <dauwhe> ... under the premise that the target audience is the publishing community
15:20:00 <dauwhe> ... including non-technical users
15:20:15 <dauwhe> Ivan: I would try to put it in priority order
15:20:32 <dauwhe> ... the first target audience is the more technical folks within the publishing community
15:21:06 <dauwhe> ... how to I find latest version of X CSS module? That's hard to do now.
15:21:27 <dauwhe> ... each document does have an abstract, per w3c pub rules. We could add that to table
15:21:40 <dauwhe> ... going way beyond that, eventually that might make sense, but is lots of work
15:21:53 <dauwhe> pbelfanti: the abstracts are pretty clear
15:22:08 <dauwhe> ... let's have a bit more heirarchy to guide people in a larger sense
15:22:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: multiple tables
15:22:34 <dauwhe> ... one more question - this looks both forward and backward in  time
15:22:36 <tzviya> q-
15:22:57 <dauwhe> ... we have XML namespaces listed. I don't know if that's interesting information, since it's already a rec
15:23:14 <dauwhe> ... it's not something people need to work on going forward
15:23:23 <azaroth> +1
15:23:25 <dauwhe> ... should we remove stuff that's not forward looking
15:23:34 <dauwhe> ... xml events, SMIL 3...
15:23:45 <dauwhe> ... it's not expected that SMIL 3 will evolve
15:23:48 <fjh> suggest breaking it in two, foward looking list and list of completed relevant work
15:24:11 <dauwhe> Ivan: If I look at xproc, it's not even used by anything in epub
15:24:19 <dauwhe> ... may be used by back-end process
15:24:26 <fjh> q+
15:24:36 <dauwhe> ... there is already a separation of back-end technologies vs front end
15:24:44 <dauwhe> ... that's one high level cut
15:24:56 <dauwhe> ... I don't know if XML events are even used
15:25:03 <dauwhe> ... there is a need for a filter
15:25:34 <dauwhe> mgylling: Paul wants multiple tables, Ivan wants separation with back-end tech vs front-end
15:25:54 <dauwhe> ... some aren't really related to vision and problems of publishing industry
15:25:55 <fjh> q-
15:26:03 <dauwhe> ... so we can make it smaller
15:26:22 <dauwhe> mgylling: as far as doing the work, any volunteers to refactor as proposed?
15:26:35 <dauwhe> Ivan: I think that we cannot expect Thierry to do filtering
15:27:01 <dauwhe> ... first step should be one of you guys to go through the list, exclude and define large categories
15:27:22 <dauwhe> ... Neither he nor I can do the filtering.
15:27:33 <dauwhe> mgylling: Liza and I could work directly on wiki page
15:27:45 <dauwhe> ... we won't be nervous due to history :)
15:27:57 <dauwhe> ... more questions on our beloved table?
15:28:11 <dauwhe> Luc: don't get rid of things too soon
15:28:26 <dauwhe> ... some might not be used now, but should be left here for future use
15:28:33 <dauwhe> mgylling: example please?
15:28:39 <dauwhe> Luc: xproc.
15:28:50 <dauwhe> ... I hope epub won't be static
15:29:08 <dauwhe> ???: Let's keep the original as reference, valuable to have both focused short list
15:29:18 <dauwhe> s/???/fjh:/
15:29:25 <dauwhe> mgylling: ready to move on?
15:29:43 <ivan> Topic: Accessibility and personalization task force
15:29:47 <dauwhe> ... Topic: discuss a11y task force from perspective of focus areas
15:30:02 <pbelfanti> Apoloigies, I need to drop now
15:30:03 <dauwhe> ... we defined small sets of goals, which a11y group did
15:30:08 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
15:30:16 <dauwhe> ... we want to focus on use cases, and discussion around those
15:30:36 <dauwhe> ... the approach is to consider the question of what exactly in a11y use cases is specific to publishing
15:30:44 <dauwhe> ... reading through the use cases so far
15:30:52 <dauwhe> ... all of them are important and valid
15:31:05 <dauwhe> ... but many are general use cases, not specific to publishing
15:31:26 <dauwhe> ... also, in terms of focus areas, if we want to seize the opportunity here, what would be highest priority?
15:31:33 <dauwhe> ... that's the questions we want to ask.
15:31:42 <dauwhe> ... how can we clean up or restructure the use cases
15:31:54 <dauwhe> ... and focus on publishing-specific problems
15:32:11 <dauwhe> ... and what should be our highest priority to affect w3c work
15:32:35 <dauwhe> gcapiel: there's further work in fleshing these out
15:32:43 <dauwhe> ... this was a first pass before TPAC
15:33:05 <dauwhe> ... these are general use cases and gaps for OWP, not specific to DPUB
15:33:13 <dauwhe> ... the only one you could debate
15:33:22 <dauwhe> ... is timed text (???)
15:33:32 <dauwhe> ... it's already digital content
15:33:50 <dauwhe> ... content with media overlays
15:34:05 <dauwhe> ... timed text is the only specification that [dropout]
15:34:14 <dauwhe> mgylling: we lost gerardo
15:34:18 <dauwhe> ... we can't hear you
15:34:50 <dauwhe> gcapiel: I'm back.
15:35:21 <dauwhe> ... that's the one area where there isn't any great way to deal with that syncronized audio and text, and its very specific to digital publishing
15:35:49 <dauwhe> mgylling: so that would indicate it would be nice to have a group of use cases that focus on hybrid, multiple-modality books
15:35:51 <dauwhe> gcapiel: yes
15:36:03 <dauwhe> mgylling: we could approach DAISY to contribute use cases
15:36:12 <dauwhe> ... unless you have something up your sleeve
15:36:27 <dauwhe> gcapiel: Daniel was involved in timed text and knows about this
15:36:33 <dauwhe> ... DAISY knows a lot more about this
15:36:51 <dauwhe> mgylling: action on document-wide text synchronization
15:37:06 <dauwhe> ... SMIL might not be best solution
15:37:11 <dauwhe> ... those are design issues
15:37:25 <dauwhe> ... that's one nice area where we can provide use cases
15:37:39 <dauwhe> ... what other kinds of things, even if not unique
15:37:52 <dauwhe> ... what are particularly critical to digital publishing
15:38:06 <dauwhe> ... media overlays are unlikely to be widely used in browsers
15:38:12 <dauwhe> ... are there other such areas?
15:38:39 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: the personalization use cases fall in that category
15:38:55 <dauwhe> ... Pre-K through middle schools: what to do with captions
15:39:08 <dauwhe> ... specialized subject areas like chemistry, poetry, grammar
15:39:17 <dauwhe> ... more critical for textbooks
15:39:36 <dauwhe> mgylling: these are most critical?
15:39:52 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: we must solve these issues as an educational publisher
15:40:11 <dauwhe> mgylling: in educational environ, you have timing of tests
15:40:25 <mgylling> zakim, who is noisy?
15:40:36 <Zakim> mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (84%), Suzanne_Taylor (24%)
15:40:37 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: I can flesh those out
15:41:00 <dauwhe> mgylling: would be good to see a complete set, I do see some that are not yet linked
15:41:16 <dauwhe> ... can you give overview of allowing versions?
15:41:24 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: Gerardo put that in
15:41:37 <dauwhe> gcapiel: I should look at that
15:41:54 <dauwhe> ... the issue with image descriptions allowing them to be improved over time
15:42:08 <dauwhe> mgylling: then we have general a11y use cases
15:42:20 <dauwhe> ... the specialized subject area categories
15:42:24 <dauwhe> ... want to ask about infographics
15:42:37 <dauwhe> ... is that an area where DPUB has a more significant issue
15:42:43 <tzviya> q+
15:42:51 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: probably very important to publishers
15:43:10 <dauwhe> ... also can be interactive infographics, which makes it more complex
15:43:17 <Zakim> -casey
15:43:26 <dauwhe> mgylling: Gerardo, you've worked with SVG folks on use cases
15:43:37 <dauwhe> ... should we hone in on infographics in education problem?
15:43:51 <dauwhe> ... presumably the solution is the same for OWP and publishing
15:44:04 <dauwhe> ... this is a big pain point for educational publishers
15:44:20 <dauwhe> ... this is a black hole where people don't know where to go
15:44:32 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: say you publish an infographic for chemists
15:45:06 <dauwhe> ... can give data tables as backup, which is OK for professional chemist
15:45:17 <mgylling> ack Tzviya
15:45:19 <dauwhe> ... but that won't work for 4th grader, where that data would not be helpful
15:46:16 <dauwhe> tzviya: Image descriptions have been harder for business books, like graphics designed to make stock trading fun. Hard to do an image
15:46:25 <dauwhe> ... description that keeps the tone
15:46:54 <dauwhe> gcapiel: that graphic may be best conveyed using a combo of text and embossed material
15:47:18 <dauwhe> ... we've been looking at how to enhance ARIA roles in SVG to be able to provide that type of experience
15:47:23 <Zakim> -duga
15:47:44 <dauwhe> mgylling: we should publish a note on a11y and personalization in publishing
15:47:51 <dauwhe> ... this is the kind of stuff we need in the use cases
15:47:58 <dauwhe> ... without going too far in solution space
15:48:12 <dauwhe> ... SuzanneT, you've offered to flesh out the first three
15:48:20 <dauwhe> ... Gerardo, you will work on versions
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15:48:35 <dauwhe> ... DAISY will help with audio sync
15:48:53 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: there's one on highlighting text, adding notes and items
15:49:00 <dauwhe> ... we've put that into the annotations use cases
15:49:13 <Luc> §q
15:49:25 <dauwhe> ... this category is accesibility of ebook features
15:49:33 <Luc> -q
15:49:35 <dauwhe> mgylling: can OWP help solve that?
15:49:51 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: with annotations, we need more data to make annotations fully a11y
15:50:00 <dauwhe> ... don't have other examples right now
15:50:05 <dauwhe> mgylling: OK
15:50:24 <dauwhe> ... Gerardo, can you look into infographics restructuring?
15:50:26 <dauwhe> gcapiel: sure
15:50:52 <dauwhe> mgylling: it would be good if we could get the wiki  main page to resemble the eventual structure of the note
15:51:01 <dauwhe> ... right now doesn't give me a quick overview
15:51:18 <ivan> q+
15:51:18 <dauwhe> gcapiel: we have to take out the general use cases, not specific to DPUB
15:51:29 <dauwhe> mgylling: good question
15:51:39 <dauwhe> gcapiel: like math, that's a problem not specific to dpub
15:51:45 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:51:48 <dauwhe> myglling: mentioned all the time as pain point
15:52:07 <dauwhe> tzviya: lots aren't specific to publishing, but they are so common it's worth mentioning
15:52:32 <dauwhe> Ivan: the math is a wrong example, in that publishing needs math way more than anyone else
15:52:37 <dauwhe> ... so we should keep math
15:52:44 <dauwhe> ... if it's on the borderline
15:52:55 <dauwhe> ... Suzanne, are you on WAI working group?
15:53:11 <dauwhe> ... ask them where these use cases should go
15:53:25 <dauwhe> ... at end of the day, this doc would be very valuable for those groups
15:53:32 <dauwhe> ... so we should sync with those groups
15:53:51 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: we can move general use cases into a category
15:54:06 <dauwhe> ... we can hand off some things
15:54:16 <dauwhe> mgylling: there is a gap
15:54:31 <dauwhe> ... whoever added them is right. Added descriptions are one-dimensional
15:54:52 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: You mean user chooses that they want short descriptions?
15:55:06 <dauwhe> mgylling: Maybe annotations can play a role, where tech is more adaptible
15:55:24 <dauwhe> ... first, let's create a bucket of general stuff
15:55:37 <dauwhe> ... then categories we populate first for publishing
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15:55:57 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: the categories are infographics, educational enviornment, specialized subject areas
15:56:03 <dauwhe> ... we should keep math separate
15:56:10 <dauwhe> ... and then maybe ebook feature a11y
15:56:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: we can try that
15:56:26 <dauwhe> gcapiel: there was also the syncronized multimedia content
15:56:38 <dauwhe> ... we haven't talked about semantics stuff much
15:56:50 <dauwhe> ... for braille, the semantics we have today in OWP may not be sufficient
15:56:59 <dauwhe> mgylling: exactly, even with role attribute
15:57:17 <dauwhe> ... links with Tzviya and my working group on role attribute
15:57:32 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: can that be under ebook feature, or should that be a separate category
15:57:38 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's wait.
15:57:56 <dauwhe> ... we're behind on the wiki re: the role attribute
15:58:03 <dauwhe> ... will be easier to see later
15:58:14 <dauwhe> ... we'll punt for now
15:58:49 <dauwhe> SuzanneT: infographics, math, specialized subject areas, media sync, ???
15:59:09 <dauwhe> gcapiel: reviewing user agent a11y guidelines?
15:59:15 <dauwhe> Ivan: separate thing.
15:59:32 <dauwhe> ... Madi etc. would like to get feedback on that.
15:59:43 <dauwhe> mgylling: should we ask for participation in that review?
15:59:51 <ivan> s/Madi/Shawn, Shadi/
15:59:52 <dauwhe> ... some new folks on public list
16:00:06 <dauwhe> ... we're out of time
16:00:17 <dauwhe> ... we have prototype restructuring of wiki
16:00:30 <dauwhe> ... more questions or remarks on a11y?
16:00:32 <SuzanneT> infographics, synchronized multimedia, eBook Feature A11y, Ed Environment, Math, Specialized Subject Areas
16:00:53 <Zakim> -gcapiel
16:00:54 <Zakim> -liza
16:00:55 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
16:00:56 <Zakim> -fjh
16:00:58 <Zakim> -Laura_Fowler
16:00:58 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor
16:00:58 <Zakim> -tzviya
16:00:59 <Zakim> -benjaminsko
16:00:59 <Zakim> -Vlad
16:01:00 <Zakim> -Luc
16:01:00 <Zakim> -TomDN
16:01:01 <Zakim> -azaroth
16:01:02 <Zakim> -dauwhe
16:01:03 <Zakim> -AH_Miller
16:01:04 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-dpub-minutes.html ivan
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16:01:07 <Zakim> -Ivan
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16:01:14 <Zakim> -Bert
16:01:15 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
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16:01:16 <Zakim> ... +33.6.48.38.aajj, Luc, +1.609.216.aakk, Laura_Fowler
16:01:38 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:01:38 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:01:38 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:01:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:01:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/14-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
16:01:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:01:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items