See also: IRC log
<laufer> +laufer
<Eric_Kauz> not me in NJ
<jerdeb> I'm trying to call from some voip called but cannot connect - it is saying request timeout
<Eric_Kauz> sorry, the 609 number is me.
<nathalia> Yaso has nathalia
<nathalia> caroline has nathalia
<adler1> gm
<PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Calls for volunteer to scribe
<PhilA> :-(
<PhilA> scribe: laufer
hadley proposes discuss next telecon because the good friday holliday
<deirdrelee> holiday
<markharrison> I will be on holiday
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> Going to be away, it is national holiday in Brazil
<giancarlo_guizzardi> In Italy as well
<PhilA> PROPOSED: Skip next week's meeting
<markharrison> holidays are good
<HadleyBeeman> + 1
<ericstephan> +1
<Ig_Bittencourt> +1
<PhilA> +1
<vagner> +1
+1
<antoine> +1
<PhilA> APPROVED: Skip next week's meeting
<Caroline> +1
<vagner> Zalim, aaee is HadleyBeeman
<Ig_Bittencourt> I am going to stay only in the IRC today because I am having problems to call.
<HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-04-04
<yaso_> +1
<ericstephan> +1
<CarlosIglesias> +1
Hadley: approving last telecon minutes
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
<BernadetteLoscio> I'm having problems to call too
PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes
+1
<HadleyBeeman> +1
<yaso_> +1
<ericstephan> +1
<BernadetteLoscio> +1
<antoine> +1
<newton> +1
<markharrison> +1
<adler1> +1
<deirdrelee> +1
<nathalia> +1
<Ig_Bittencourt> +1
APPROVED: approve last meeting minutes
<flavio> +1
<vagner> +1
RESOLUTION: approve last meeting minutes
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> PhilA, this problem with Zakim does not seem to be a glitch, as I have experienced it before.
<giancarlo_guizzardi> I did not get what the problem is
bernadette we are trying to fix the phone problem
<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-03-31
<BernadetteLoscio> thanks ;)
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> giancarlo_guizzardi, the problem is that some other people cannot join the meeting on the phone at this moment
<giancarlo_guizzardi> OK
PROPOSED: approve first day minutes from F2F meeting
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
<ericstephan> +1
+1
<HadleyBeeman> +1
<PhilA> +1
<markharrison> +1
<flavio> +1
<Ig_Bittencourt> +1
<newton> +1
<deirdrelee> +1
<Eric_Kauz> +_1
<Caroline> +1
RESOLUTION: approve first day minutes from F2F meeting
<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-04-01
PROPOSED: approve second day minutes from F2F meeting
<HadleyBeeman> +1
<PhilA> +1
<ericstephan> +1
<antoine> +1
<adler1> +1
+1
<vagner> +1
<markharrison> +1
<Ig_Bittencourt> +1
<yaso_> +1
RESOLUTION: approve second day minutes from F2F meeting
<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-DataUsage-irc
PROPOSED: approve data usage discussion minutes from F2F meeting
<ericstephan> +1
<yaso_> +1
<newton> +1
<BernadetteLoscio> +1
<flavio> +1
<PhilA> I'd like to apologise for those extra minutes not being properly formatted. It can be fixed but I've not had time t do it
RESOLUTION: approve data usage discussion minutes from F2F meeting
<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbpbestpractices-irc
<newton> I can do it, PhilA
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> Vagner_BR, Caroline, me, nathalia, BernadetteLoscio
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> Carlos, Brian, ...
PROPOSED: approve best practices discussion minutes from F2F meeting
<nathalia> +1
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
<Caroline> +1
+1
<Ig_Bittencourt> +1
<markharrison> +1
<vagner> +1
<Caroline> Vagner +1
RESOLUTION: approve best practices discussion minutes from F2F meeting
<yaso_> Vagner is having problems with THE INTERNET :-/
<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> How will results of the discussions be available?
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> The log is very opaque
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> unmute me
HadleyBeeman: look the actions
<newton> Yes, Phil
<PhilA> PhilA: I need to do some grunt work to make the minutes of those extra sessions readable, which I will do. Apologise for it not being done yet
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> I propose that the IRC log should be transformed into something more readable
JoaoPauloAlmeida: is difficult to read and understand the minutes
<PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Minutes are meant to be as complete as possible, not necessarily easy to read
<yaso_> No Phil, I just tried and could not access the tracker
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> thanks, HadleyBeeman for the clarification
<yaso_> Vagner could not access the tracker too
<yaso_> No Phil, I just tried and could not access the tracker
<yaso_> Vagner could not access the tracker too
HadleyBeeman: the things that are
in the minutes wre put in the wiki
... it is better to understand reading the wiki pages
<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
<HadleyBeeman> action-10?
<trackbot> action-10 -- Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez to Will explain why is importat to talk about acccess to data is on the web and why data preservation is out of the scope of this group -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/10
action 10
<PhilA> action-10?
<trackbot> action-10 -- Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez to Will explain why is importat to talk about acccess to data is on the web and why data preservation is out of the scope of this group -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/10
MTCarrasco: I forgot this action and I will do this now
<HadleyBeeman> action-13?
<trackbot> action-13 -- Yaso Córdova to Add notes on the http://retratodaviolencia.org/ case into the use cases wiki -- due 2014-03-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/13
<PhilA> yaso_: I contacted Victor Battista, sent him mail asking him questions based on our f2f meeting. He's answering them for us and is happy to be helping us
<PhilA> ... I;'ll have it in the wiki by next week I hope
<HadleyBeeman> action-18?
<trackbot> action-18 -- Antoine Isaac to Talk to paul groth about how prov-o could be used in providing assessment of dataset quality -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/18
<PhilA> s/I;ll/I'll/
<PhilA> antoine: We won't cross off this one this week I'm afraid. I contacted Paul (Groth) and he pointed me to a paper he's written
<yaso_> Vitor Batista
<yaso_> From OKFN
<PhilA> close action-18
<trackbot> Closed action-18.
<laufer_> sorry all, internet has failed here...
<PhilA> ACTION: antoine to review Paul Groth's paper and report to the WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Review paul groth's paper and report to the wg [on Antoine Isaac - due 2014-04-18].
<HadleyBeeman> action-10?
<trackbot> action-10 -- Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez to Will explain why is importat to talk about acccess to data is on the web and why data preservation is out of the scope of this group -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/10
<yaso_> Vitor Batista, from OKFN is the guy who coded http://retratodaviolencia.org/RS/
<PhilA> MTCarrasco: There is a group in the IETF called ITANS
<MTCarrasco> Long-Term Archive and Notary Services (ltans) http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ltans/charter/
<PhilA> ... this is a whole branch of its own
<laufer_> i am hearing again
<PhilA> MTCarrasco: I participated for a while. It's about long term archiving. There's a good r�sum� on the archiving topic
<MTCarrasco> A System for Long-Term Document Preservation - http://larry.masinter.net/0603-archiving.pdf
<laufer_> Ok, after this speak form tomas, phil
<PhilA> MTCarrasco: The point I wangted to make is - this long term archiving question is quite complicated, The group ran for 6 years or so
<laufer_> from
<PhilA> MTCarrasco: So some of hte data on the Web that this WG is about may or may not be long term - we need to consider this
<PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Is it possible for you to explain what data should or should not be ...
<laufer_> HadleyBeeman: ask tomas to explain how to do the thing
<PhilA> MTCarrasco: Let's assume you have 2 repositories with web access
<PhilA> ... A is an important repository and that the data is there is 50 years time just as it is today
<PhilA> .... that's a whole area of research
<PhilA> ... cf. Web sites that we may use the same technology, the access may be shorter term
<PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I don't want to lose that, it sounds important
<PhilA> ... I don't want those thoughts to disppear
<PhilA> ... so is it possible for you to write a paragraph on that and eitehr send it to the list or put it on a wiki page for later
<laufer_> HadleyBeeman: ask tomas to try to summatize his idea in a paragraph and send to the list or put in the wiki
<HadleyBeeman> action-10?
<trackbot> action-10 -- Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez to Will explain why is importat to talk about acccess to data is on the web and why data preservation is out of the scope of this group -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/10
<PhilA> ACTION: MTCarrasco I will create a wiki page with a small paragraph and pointers to the work on archiving [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/04/11-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - I will create a wiki page with a small paragraph and pointers to the work on archiving [on Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez - due 2014-04-18].
<laufer_> MTCarrasco: sair he will put in the wiki
<HadleyBeeman> action-20?
<trackbot> action-20 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/20
<laufer_> HadleyBeeman: action 20
<HadleyBeeman> bernadetteloscio, are you able to get into our call?
<laufer_> laufer_: bernardette has problems with her phone call
<BernadetteLoscio> no.. i cant connect
<BernadetteLoscio> :(
<BernadetteLoscio> im still working on action 20
<HadleyBeeman> Try calling again, bernadetteloscio
<BernadetteLoscio> ok... 1 min
<HadleyBeeman> bernadetteloscio, is there anything else you want to say about the action? What will you do for next week?
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> That's a great introduction to Ralph
<BernadetteLoscio> it says that the code is not valid
<BernadetteLoscio> yeap
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> That happens to me a lot
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim does not like me
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> :-)
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> No, I am using skype
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> Last time I experience this problem I was on skype
<BernadetteLoscio> i'm sorry... doesnt work
<Ig_Bittencourt> I am using X-Lite, which is SIP I think.
<Ig_Bittencourt> But I am not able even to connect.
<BernadetteLoscio> im trying with skype
<giancarlo_guizzardi> I did happened to me several times as well...always on skype
<PhilA> scribe: PhilA
<laufer_> hi
<HadleyBeeman> action-21?
<trackbot> action-21 -- Deirdre Lee to Create first draft of ucr in respec -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/21
<laufer_> back again
HadleyBeeman: we'll come bacl to you BernadetteLoscio later if we can
<jerdeb_> Im trying with XLite and Telephone... cannot connect on neither app
deirdrelee: We've not had a chance to go through this or action 22 I'm afraid for both BernadetteLoscio and me
<Ig_Bittencourt> Probably CarlosIglesias
<laufer_> deirdrelee: no work in actions 21 and 22
<BernadetteLoscio> yes... we are still working on this too
HadleyBeeman: Do you know what you expect to accomplish?
deirdrelee: Yes, we're working through what we discussed at the f2f
action-23?
<trackbot> action-23 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as prov-o, data cube, skos -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/23
<laufer_> deirdrelee: will do the work for the meeting after the good friday
BernadetteLoscio: Anything to report on that?
<CarlosIglesias> irc, [IPcaller] is really me
<laufer_> HadleyBeeman: action23
<BernadetteLoscio> no... the same as Deirdre
<ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio, If I can be of any help on action-20 or action-23 let me know. I have a list of requirements references collected from W3C PROV
<laufer_> BernadetteLoscio: will do the work for the meeting after the good friday
<BernadetteLoscio> Thanks Eric! Could you send me this list?
<laufer_> PhilA: action 24
<ericstephan> Bernadette no prob will send shortly
<deirdrelee> +1
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> action-24
<trackbot> action-24 -- Phil Archer to Draft uml diagram for vocab(s) -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/24
<laufer_> ... has a lot of work with some proposals...
<laufer_> ... delayes the work to next meeting
<ericstephan> guilt trip meeting :-)
PhilA: I offer the impending H2020 submission deadline as my excuse for not having completed my action
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> PhilA, you could use the guidelines for UML that I put forward for GLD
yes, thanks JoaoPauloAlmeida
action-25?
<trackbot> action-25 -- Carlos Iglesias to Prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its id -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/25
<laufer_> HadleyBeeman: action 25
HadleyBeeman: That was a big one. How do you feel about it
CarlosIglesias: I have started
<CarlosIglesias> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_table
<CarlosIglesias> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/IDS01
CarlosIglesias: I've made an
index table, then a sample page
... so as we discussed at the f2f, the idea is to create a
place to discuss each proposed BP
... so the first index page gives an ID for each potential
BP
... I have proposed varuious IDs, focussing on the different
topics
... then there's a short title for the best practice. Some sort
of neutral title
... then the status of the BP
<scribe> ... New, Under Discussion, Agreed, Rejected
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: then you go to
the detailed page for each BP
... so far I have an example for IDS01
<BernadetteLoscio> It is important to link the proposals with the requirements
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: then there's a
discussion of it
... anyone can add to these pages
<BernadetteLoscio> the requirements from the use cases
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: finally there is asection for background references
CarlosIglesias: Then you can see
where the BP came from etc. We can refer to places where the BP
has been applied
... these should probably be in the reference implementation
section
<BernadetteLoscio> I dont have audio :(
<ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio, what is your email? I couldn't find it on our group. Mine is ericphb@gmail.com
<BernadetteLoscio> bfl@cin.ufpe.br
CarlosIglesias: If anyone can discuss these BPs on the pages and open new threads as required, Use the ID on the mailing list
<ericstephan> thank you
<HadleyBeeman> Bernadetteloscio, would you type into Zakim what you meant about the requirements? Or how we can do that?
CarlosIglesias: TNhe idea is to advice on specific BPs
<BernadetteLoscio> yes..
CarlosIglesias: So we don't need to discuss every single BP
<BernadetteLoscio> We started to propose some requirements based on the use cases
<BernadetteLoscio> we did this during the F2F
<BernadetteLoscio> those requirements are potential best practices
HadleyBeeman: That's fantastic thank you
<BernadetteLoscio> they can be start for the best practices definition
HadleyBeeman: it helps a lot to
see it written and planned out in front of us
... BernadetteLoscio is in the midst of typing what she would
be saying if she were able to get on the phone
<BernadetteLoscio> :)
HadleyBeeman: She's arguing for making connections between the BPs and the challenges and requirements
<Zakim> HadleyBeeman, you wanted to talk about URIs for challenges
<HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Challenges
HadleyBeeman: Antoine and I have put together a list of challenges during the f2f
<BernadetteLoscio> yes... from the challenges we're gonna have requirements
HadleyBeeman: and this came from BernadetteLoscio and deirdrelee's list - you can use their URIs, add content to that page etc.
<BernadetteLoscio> the requirements are potential best practices
CarlosIglesias: I think that it's
good to have a track record of this
... I think it's good to move from challenges to BPs
... at the same time it may be a good idea to track the
correspondence between BP and challenges - just add a new
section to the BP that points to the challenge
<BernadetteLoscio> not challenges... but the requirements that come from the challenges
CarlosIglesias: I've been looking at the Mobile Web BP
HadleyBeeman: I think you;re
right that we need to allow BPs to change names
... but our final output is a document. It's OK if our notes
don't make sense outside our WG. It's the output that needs to
make sense outside
... our IDs may well change/be redundant
antoine: This list of challenges
is a list of empty pages, so I think the offer is for him to
reuse these pages
... so maybe the BP can linked from the challenge.
HadleyBeeman: The challenges also
apply to the vocabs
... so they're a separate list
<CarlosIglesias> Just main missing point is trying to de-attach IDs from BPs to let them evolve
<BernadetteLoscio> q
<CarlosIglesias> Important point is also that challenges are not BPs
<markharrison> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BZYqYSQnadhMF7vg3owqSamDdCBfRgv0CoU3FQjyWd0/edit?usp=sharing
markharrison: Eric_Kauz and I havea been working on a use case for products that I think is ready to share
HadleyBeeman: Thank you
<CarlosIglesias> BPs are they way we try to address challenges
<CarlosIglesias> But not necessary a one-to-one correspondence
markharrison: Suggestions for improvement would be good
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> "You need permission"
HadleyBeeman: Please make it
viewable - on the wiki? (the Google doc is asking for
credentials)
... And then when it's available for everyone, please send it
to the list for comments
<BernadetteLoscio> im gonna write..im sorry
HadleyBeeman: That was all part of action 25
<BernadetteLoscio> just to tell that we need to link the BP to requirements
HadleyBeeman: It's still open but you;ve made a lot of progress CarlosIglesias, thank you
<HadleyBeeman> action-25?
<trackbot> action-25 -- Carlos Iglesias to Prepare skeleton best practice wiki pages for each emerging best practice, including its id -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/25
<BernadetteLoscio> the requirements will come from the challenges
<MTCarrasco> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_preservation - close action 10
Steve: West coast to London to West coast is a bad idea, but Vancouver is beautiful
<ericstephan> Its probably like living on a space station Steve
<HadleyBeeman> good point, ericstephan!
Steve: I met 5 cities at
different levels of openness in their data
... Vancourver has about 1.5 M with several cities around them
with a combined pop of around 3 M
<HadleyBeeman> s/vancourver/Vancouver
Steve: bu they're very fast growing, esp the 'city of Surrey'
PhilA: (Surrey is an English county)
Steve: What I discovered is the
different levels of maturity. Surrey is advanced, Richmond
doesn't have a programme
... I asked how many of them are working together
... they don't seem to be working together on anything,
including open data
<HadleyBeeman> hadleybeeman: (Richmond is a borough of London)
Steve: I advised them to work
together on data comparability
... I'm going to try and organise a workshop with them on
comparability
... when you approach them as a vendor (IBM) they treat you
differently than if you're W3C
... it's a huge advantage
... they're interested in what we might offer them, whet they
might learn from this WG
... interesting petri dish to try things out
<antoine> This sounds *really* great
HadleyBeeman: Cool. Hugely productive
<ericstephan> Very interesting Steve!
HadleyBeeman: So thanks to
everyone, and for joining the call.
... Next meeting in 2 weeks' time
<laufer_> thank you phil. sorry about the problems with the connection. i will make better next time
<CarlosIglesias> bye!
<Ig_Bittencourt> thanks
<nathalia_> bye
MTCarrasco: I've done my action at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_preservation
<yaso> Bye!
<laufer_> bye
<BernadetteLoscio> bye!!!
<markharrison> bye
<laufer_> -laufer
close action-27
<trackbot> Closed action-27.
trackbot end meeting
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