12:54:20 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:54:20 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/11-dwbp-irc 12:54:28 zakim, this will be debp 12:54:28 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, PhilA 12:54:32 zakim, this will be dwbp 12:54:32 ok, PhilA; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes 12:55:11 PhilA has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140411 12:55:12 JoaoPauloAlmeida has joined #dwbp 12:55:42 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started 12:55:49 +[IPcaller] 12:56:21 -[IPcaller] 12:56:21 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended 12:56:21 Attendees were [IPcaller] 12:57:10 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started 12:57:17 +[IPcaller] 12:57:43 Eric_Kauz has joined #DWBP 12:57:50 +laufer 12:57:59 jerdeb has joined #DWBP 12:58:40 +[IPcaller.a] 12:58:47 Zakim, IPcaller.a is me 12:58:47 +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 12:59:05 HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp 12:59:18 + +1.609.557.aaaa 12:59:29 +[IPcaller.a] 12:59:37 zakim, ipcaller.a is me 12:59:37 +PhilA; got it 12:59:40 MTCarrasco has joined #dwbp 12:59:46 +??P13 12:59:57 zakim, who is here? 12:59:57 On the phone I see [IPcaller], JoaoPauloAlmeida, +1.609.557.aaaa, PhilA, ??P13 12:59:59 On IRC I see MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, jerdeb, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, RRSAgent, trackbot, laufer, Zakim, Ig_Bittencourt, ivan, PhilA 13:00:01 -[IPcaller] 13:00:10 zakim, mute me 13:00:10 JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted 13:00:11 zakim, +??P13 is me 13:00:12 sorry, MTCarrasco, I do not recognize a party named '+??P13' 13:00:29 zakim, ??P13 is me 13:00:29 +MTCarrasco; got it 13:00:34 +HadleyBeeman 13:00:41 deirdrelee has joined #dwbp 13:00:53 +[IPcaller] 13:00:54 not me in NJ 13:01:03 I'm trying to call from some voip called but cannot connect - it is saying request timeout 13:01:05 antoine has joined #dwbp 13:01:12 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 13:01:26 +[IPcaller.a] 13:01:27 + +1.509.554.aabb 13:01:32 Zakim, ipcaller.a is me 13:01:32 +laufer; got it 13:01:46 zakim, +1.509 is ericstephan 13:01:46 +ericstephan; got it 13:01:50 +[IPcaller.a] 13:01:50 sorry, the 609 number is me. 13:01:57 zakim, IPCaller.a is me 13:01:57 +antoine; got it 13:02:01 + +3539149aacc 13:02:21 yaso_ has joined #dwbp 13:02:23 -[IPcaller] 13:02:24 zakim, +353 is me 13:02:25 +deirdrelee; got it 13:02:44 zakim, who is here? 13:02:44 On the phone I see JoaoPauloAlmeida (muted), +1.609.557.aaaa, PhilA, MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, laufer, ericstephan, antoine, deirdrelee 13:02:46 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:02:47 On IRC I see yaso_, ericstephan, antoine, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, jerdeb, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, RRSAgent, trackbot, laufer, Zakim, Ig_Bittencourt, ivan, PhilA 13:02:51 zakim, aaaa is me 13:02:52 +Eric_Kauz; got it 13:03:09 Zakim, who is here? 13:03:09 On the phone I see JoaoPauloAlmeida (muted), Eric_Kauz, PhilA, MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, laufer, ericstephan, antoine, deirdrelee 13:03:12 On IRC I see nathalia, yaso_, ericstephan, antoine, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, jerdeb, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, RRSAgent, trackbot, laufer, Zakim, Ig_Bittencourt, 13:03:12 ... ivan, PhilA 13:03:14 giancarlo_guizzardi has joined #DWBP 13:03:15 markharrison has joined #dwbp 13:03:16 +[IPcaller] 13:03:28 +Caroline 13:03:29 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:03:29 +laufer; got it 13:03:40 CarlosIglesias has joined #dwbp 13:03:43 zakim, caroline has yaso 13:03:43 +yaso; got it 13:03:43 Yaso has nathalia 13:03:56 caroline has nathalia 13:04:03 zakim, Caroline has Vagner 13:04:03 +Vagner; got it 13:04:17 -laufer 13:04:18 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:04:21 adler1 has joined #DWBP 13:04:25 gm 13:04:40 +[IPcaller] 13:04:52 Zakim, IPcaller is giancarlo_guizzardi 13:04:52 +giancarlo_guizzardi; got it 13:05:17 Caroline has joined #DWBP 13:05:18 HadleyBeeman: Calls for volunteer to scribe 13:05:33 zakim, pick a volunteer 13:05:33 I don't understand 'pick a volunteer', HadleyBeeman 13:05:39 zakim, pick a victim 13:05:39 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose population 13:05:46 :-( 13:05:56 + +1.516.944.aadd 13:05:56 zakim, pick a victim 13:05:57 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose population 13:06:06 zakim, pick a victim 13:06:06 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Sao 13:06:14 zakim, pick a victim 13:06:14 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose laufer.a 13:06:37 Zakim, Hadleybeeman is chairing 13:06:37 +chairing; got it 13:06:38 scribe: laufer 13:06:49 chair: Hadley 13:06:52 vagner has joined #dwbp 13:06:55 + +44.122.333.aaee 13:07:02 zakim, Yaso_ has Vagner 13:07:02 sorry, yaso_, I do not recognize a party named 'Yaso_' 13:07:11 Zakim, yaso has vagner 13:07:11 sorry, yaso_, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso' 13:07:27 hadley proposes discuss next telecon because the good friday holliday 13:07:29 holiday 13:07:30 I will be on holiday 13:07:31 Going to be away, it is national holiday in Brazil 13:07:37 In Italy as well 13:07:46 PROPOSED: Skip next week's meeting 13:07:50 holidays are good 13:07:51 + 1 13:07:52 +1 13:07:54 +1 13:07:57 +1 13:08:12 +1 13:08:14 +1 13:08:14 zakim, who is here? 13:08:14 On the phone I see JoaoPauloAlmeida (muted), Eric_Kauz, PhilA, MTCarrasco, chairing, ericstephan, antoine, deirdrelee, laufer.a, Caroline, giancarlo_guizzardi, +1.516.944.aadd, 13:08:15 +1 13:08:18 ... +44.122.333.aaee 13:08:18 Caroline has a, sizeable, proportion, oft, he, population, of, Sao, Paulo 13:08:18 On IRC I see vagner, Caroline, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, CarlosIglesias, markharrison, giancarlo_guizzardi, nathalia, yaso_, ericstephan, antoine, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, 13:08:19 ... HadleyBeeman, jerdeb, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, RRSAgent, trackbot, laufer, Zakim, Ig_Bittencourt, ivan, PhilA 13:08:29 APPROVED: Skip next week's meeting 13:08:33 zakim, aaee is me 13:08:34 +markharrison; got it 13:08:55 present- a, sizeable, proportion, oft, he, population, of, Sao, Paulo 13:08:57 zakim, add is me 13:08:58 sorry, adler1, I do not recognize a party named 'add' 13:09:03 +1 13:09:03 Zalim, aaee is HadleyBeeman 13:09:07 zakim, aadd is me 13:09:07 +adler1; got it 13:09:15 flavio has joined #dwbp 13:09:18 newton has joined #dwbp 13:09:22 I am going to stay only in the IRC today because I am having problems to call. 13:09:30 https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-04-04 13:09:35 +1 13:09:38 +1 13:09:47 +1 13:09:50 Hadley: approving last telecon minutes 13:09:56 +1 13:09:58 zakim, room for 5 more? 13:09:58 I don't understand your question, PhilA. 13:10:06 zakim, room for 5? 13:10:08 sorry, PhilA; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again 13:10:13 I'm having problems to call too 13:10:21 PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes 13:10:27 +1 13:10:27 +1 13:10:30 +1 13:10:31 +1 13:10:33 +1 13:10:33 +1 13:10:33 +1 13:10:34 +1 13:10:48 +1 13:10:53 +1 13:10:59 +1 13:11:04 +1 13:11:06 APPROVED: approve last meeting minutes 13:11:15 +1 13:11:41 +1 13:11:41 RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes 13:12:17 PhilA, this problem with Zakim does not seem to be a glitch, as I have experienced it before. 13:12:19 I did not get what the problem is 13:12:24 bernadette we are trying to fix the phone problem 13:12:32 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-03-31 13:12:37 thanks ;) 13:12:42 giancarlo_guizzardi, the problem is that some other people cannot join the meeting on the phone at this moment 13:12:58 OK 13:13:28 PROPOSED: approve first day minutes from F2F meeting 13:13:34 +1 13:13:34 +1 13:13:34 +1 13:13:35 +1 13:13:38 +1 13:13:40 +1 13:13:42 +1 13:13:42 +1 13:13:44 +1 13:14:00 +1 13:14:02 +_1 13:14:08 +1 13:14:15 RESOLVED: approve first day minutes from F2F meeting 13:14:18 jerdeb_ has joined #DWBP 13:14:33 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-04-01 13:14:44 PROPOSED: approve second day minutes from F2F meeting 13:14:48 +1 13:14:50 +1 13:14:52 +1 13:14:53 +1 13:14:53 +1 13:14:56 +1 13:14:57 +1 13:15:04 +1 13:15:04 +1 13:15:05 +1 13:15:09 RESOLVED: approve second day minutes from F2F meeting 13:15:19 http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbp-DataUsage-irc 13:15:42 PROPOSED: approve data usage discussion minutes from F2F meeting 13:15:46 +1 13:15:54 +1 13:15:59 +1 13:16:05 +1 13:16:06 +1 13:16:14 I'd like to apologise for those extra minutes not being properly formatted. It can be fixed but I've not had time t do it 13:16:23 RESOLVED: approve data usage discussion minutes from F2F meeting 13:16:31 http://www.w3.org/2014/04/01-dwbpbestpractices-irc 13:16:54 I can do it, PhilA 13:16:55 Vagner_BR, Caroline, me, nathalia, BernadetteLoscio 13:17:09 Carlos, Brian, ... 13:17:13 PROPOSED: approve best practices discussion minutes from F2F meeting 13:17:14 +1 13:17:15 +1 13:17:17 +1 13:17:18 +1 13:17:23 +1 13:17:27 +1 13:17:37 +1 13:17:37 Vagner +1 13:17:45 RESOLVED: approve best practices discussion minutes from F2F meeting 13:17:52 Vagner is having problems with THE INTERNET :-/ 13:18:10 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open 13:18:11 How will results of the discussions be available? 13:18:16 The log is very opaque 13:18:25 unmute me 13:18:31 HadleyBeeman: look the actions 13:18:35 Zakim, unmute me 13:18:35 JoaoPauloAlmeida should no longer be muted 13:19:31 Zakim, mute me 13:19:31 JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted 13:19:40 Yes, Phil 13:19:54 PhilA: I need to do some grunt work to make the minutes of those extra sessions readable, which I will do. Apologise for it not being done yet 13:20:03 I propose that the IRC log should be transformed into something more readable 13:20:11 JoaoPauloAlmeida: is difficult to read and understand the minutes 13:20:37 HadleyBeeman: Minutes are meant to be as complete as possible, not necessarily easy to read 13:20:53 No Phil, I just tried and could not access the tracker 13:20:54 thanks, HadleyBeeman for the clarification 13:20:55 Vagner could not access the tracker too 13:20:55 No Phil, I just tried and could not access the tracker 13:20:55 Vagner could not access the tracker too 13:20:56 HadleyBeeman: the things that are in the minutes wre put in the wiki 13:21:12 ... it is better to understand reading the wiki pages 13:21:19 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open 13:21:58 action-10? 13:21:58 action-10 -- Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez to Will explain why is importat to talk about acccess to data is on the web and why data preservation is out of the scope of this group -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:21:58 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/10 13:22:09 action 10 13:22:21 action-10? 13:22:21 action-10 -- Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez to Will explain why is importat to talk about acccess to data is on the web and why data preservation is out of the scope of this group -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:22:21 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/10 13:22:24 newton has joined #dwbp 13:22:57 MTCarrasco: I forgot this action and I will do this now 13:23:14 action-13? 13:23:14 action-13 -- Yaso Córdova to Add notes on the http://retratodaviolencia.org/ case into the use cases wiki -- due 2014-03-21 -- OPEN 13:23:14 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/13 13:23:36 -laufer.a 13:24:06 yaso_: I contacted ??, sent him mail asking him questions based on our f2f meeting. He's answering them for us and is happy to be helping us 13:24:11 zakim, who is here? 13:24:11 On the phone I see JoaoPauloAlmeida (muted), Eric_Kauz, PhilA, MTCarrasco, chairing, ericstephan, antoine, deirdrelee, Caroline, giancarlo_guizzardi, adler1, markharrison 13:24:14 ... I;'ll have it in the wiki by next week I hope 13:24:15 Caroline has a, sizeable, proportion, oft, he, population, of, Sao, Paulo 13:24:15 On IRC I see newton, jerdeb_, flavio, Caroline, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, CarlosIglesias, markharrison, giancarlo_guizzardi, nathalia, yaso_, ericstephan, antoine, deirdrelee, 13:24:15 ... MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, RRSAgent, trackbot, laufer, Zakim, Ig_Bittencourt, PhilA 13:24:52 s/??/Victor Battista/ 13:25:00 action-18? 13:25:00 action-18 -- Antoine Isaac to Talk to paul groth about how prov-o could be used in providing assessment of dataset quality -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:25:00 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/18 13:25:02 s/I;ll/I'll/ 13:25:32 antoine: We won't cross off this one this week I'm afraid. I contacted Paul (Groth) and he pointed me to a paper he's written 13:25:43 Vitor Batista 13:25:43 From OKFN 13:25:51 laufer_ has joined #DWBP 13:25:58 close action-18 13:25:58 Closed action-18. 13:26:04 sorry all, internet has failed here... 13:26:17 action: antoine to review Paul Groth's paper and report to the WG 13:26:18 Created ACTION-26 - Review paul groth's paper and report to the wg [on Antoine Isaac - due 2014-04-18]. 13:26:21 action-10? 13:26:21 action-10 -- Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez to Will explain why is importat to talk about acccess to data is on the web and why data preservation is out of the scope of this group -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:26:21 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/10 13:26:22 Vitor Batista, from OKFN is the guy who coded http://retratodaviolencia.org/RS/ 13:26:30 MTCarrasco: There is a group in the IETF called ?? 13:26:34 Long-Term Archive and Notary Services (ltans) http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ltans/charter/ 13:26:39 ... this is a whole branch of its own 13:26:41 +[IPcaller] 13:26:48 s/??/ITANS/ 13:26:50 zakim, ipcaller is me 13:26:50 +laufer_; got it 13:27:12 i am hearing again 13:27:13 MTCarrasco: I participated for a while. It's about long term archiving. There's a good r�sum� on the archiving topic 13:27:18 A System for Long-Term Document Preservation - http://larry.masinter.net/0603-archiving.pdf 13:27:52 Ok, after this speak form tomas, phil 13:27:57 MTCarrasco: The point I wangted to make is - this long term archiving question is quite complicated, The group ran for 6 years or so 13:27:59 from 13:28:23 MTCarrasco: So some of hte data on the Web that this WG is about may or may not be long term - we need to consider this 13:28:27 q+ 13:28:44 HadleyBeeman: Is it possible for you to explain what data should or should not be ... 13:28:55 HadleyBeeman: ask tomas to explain how to do the thing 13:28:55 MTCarrasco: Let's assume you have 2 repositories with web access 13:29:15 ... A is an important repository and that the data is there is 50 years time just as it is today 13:29:20 .... that's a whole rea of research 13:29:24 s/rea/area/ 13:29:52 ... cf. Web sites that we may use the same technology, the access may be shorter term 13:30:19 nathalia_ has joined #dwbp 13:30:20 HadleyBeeman: I don't want to lose that, it sounds important 13:30:32 ... I don't want those thoughts to disppear 13:30:51 ... so is it possible for you to write a paragraph on that and eitehr send it to the list or put it on a wiki page for later 13:31:00 HadleyBeeman: ask tomas to try to summatize his idea in a paragraph and send to the list or put in the wiki 13:31:07 action-10? 13:31:07 action-10 -- Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez to Will explain why is importat to talk about acccess to data is on the web and why data preservation is out of the scope of this group -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:31:07 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/10 13:31:17 action: MTCarrasco I will create a wiki page with a small paragraph and pointers to the work on archiving 13:31:18 Created ACTION-27 - I will create a wiki page with a small paragraph and pointers to the work on archiving [on Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez - due 2014-04-18]. 13:31:22 MTCarrasco: sair he will put in the wiki 13:31:38 action-20? 13:31:38 action-20 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Document the situations/scenarios for the data usage vocab in the ucr -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:31:38 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/20 13:31:47 HadleyBeeman: action 20 13:32:03 bernadetteloscio, are you able to get into our call? 13:32:08 laufer_: bernardette has problems with her phone call 13:32:17 no.. i cant connect 13:32:21 :( 13:32:23 +Ralph 13:32:44 Ralph has joined #dwbp 13:32:45 im still working on action 20 13:32:48 Try calling again, bernadetteloscio 13:33:02 ok... 1 min 13:33:07 -Ralph 13:33:36 bernadetteloscio, is there anything else you want to say about the action? What will you do for next week? 13:33:43 That's a great introduction to Ralph 13:34:07 it says that the code is not valid 13:34:23 yeap 13:34:23 That happens to me a lot 13:34:28 Zakim does not like me 13:34:30 newton_ has joined #dwbp 13:34:39 :-) 13:34:47 No, I am using skype 13:34:57 Last time I experience this problem I was on skype 13:35:22 i'm sorry... doesnt work 13:35:22 I am using X-Lite, which is SIP I think. 13:35:29 But I am not able even to connect. 13:35:35 im trying with skype 13:35:40 I did happened to me several times as well...always on skype 13:36:16 scribe: PhilA 13:36:22 hi 13:36:24 action-21? 13:36:24 action-21 -- Deirdre Lee to Create first draft of ucr in respec -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:36:24 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/21 13:36:27 back again 13:36:30 HadleyBeeman: we'll come bacl to you BernadetteLoscio later if we can 13:36:30 Im trying with XLite and Telephone... cannot connect on neither app 13:36:54 deirdrelee: We've not had a chance to go through this or action 22 I'm afraid for both BernadetteLoscio and me 13:37:03 Probably CarlosIglesias 13:37:12 flavio has joined #dwbp 13:37:14 newton__ has joined #dwbp 13:37:19 deirdrelee: no work in actins 21 and 22 13:37:25 newton__ has left #dwbp 13:37:28 yes... we are still working on this too 13:37:31 HadleyBeeman: Do you know what you expect to accomplish? 13:37:34 newton__ has joined #dwbp 13:37:35 s/actins/actions/ 13:37:41 deirdrelee: Yes, we're working through what we discussed at the f2f 13:37:51 q- 13:38:01 action-23? 13:38:01 action-23 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Look up requirements documents for vocabularies such as prov-o, data cube, skos -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:38:01 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/23 13:38:02 deirdrelee: will do the work for the meeting after the good friday 13:38:05 +[IPcaller] 13:38:16 BernadetteLoscio: Anything to report on that? 13:38:34 zakim, [IPcaller] is really me 13:38:34 +CarlosIglesias; got it 13:38:41 HadleyBeeman: action23 13:38:56 no... the same as Deirdre 13:39:02 BernadetteLoscio, If I can be of any help on action-20 or action-23 let me know. I have a list of requirements references collected from W3C PROV 13:39:15 Ralph has left #dwbp 13:39:26 BernadetteLoscio: will do the work for the meeting after the good friday 13:39:28 Thanks Eric! Could you send me this list? 13:39:48 PhilA: action 24 13:39:56 Bernadette no prob will send shortly 13:40:09 +1 13:40:12 action-24 13:40:12 action-24 -- Phil Archer to Draft uml diagram for vocab(s) -- due 2014-04-08 -- OPEN 13:40:12 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/24 13:40:14 ... has a lot of work with some proposals... 13:40:25 ... delayes the work to next meeting 13:40:27 guilt trip meeting :-) 13:40:28 PhilA: I offer the impending H2020 submission deadline as my excuse for not having completed my action 13:40:33