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14:52:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:52:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 52 minutes ago
14:52:44 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:52:44 <trackbot> Date: 10 April 2014
14:54:15 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:54:15 <janina> Chair: Janina
14:54:15 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:54:18 <janina> agenda+ HTML-WG F2F Outcomes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Apr/0032.html
14:54:21 <janina> agenda+ Upcoming Heartbeat Publications
14:54:23 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps [See Below]
14:54:26 <janina> agenda+ Alt Guidance & Next Steps [See Below]
14:54:28 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc Update [See Below]
14:54:31 <janina> agenda+ Bug Triage: Review of Resolved Bugs tracked by TF [see below]
14:54:33 <janina> agenda+ Table Summary Issues Redux
14:54:36 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:54:38 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:54:41 <janina> agenda+ be done
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14:58:30 <janina> zakim, call janina
14:58:31 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
14:58:31 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:58:32 <Zakim> +Janina
14:58:58 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
14:58:58 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
14:59:14 <Zakim> +Judy
14:59:40 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
14:59:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina, Judy
14:59:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Judy, paulc, LJWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, IanPouncey, janina, hober, sivoais_, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot
15:00:22 <janina> regrets: Mark
15:00:22 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:00:32 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:00:32 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
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15:00:47 <Zakim> +Adrian_Roselli
15:01:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:19 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPCaller] is LJWatson
15:02:19 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
15:02:59 <aardrian> scribe: aardrian
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15:03:46 <aardrian> next item
15:04:11 <aardrian> zakim, next item
15:04:11 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, aardrian
15:04:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:34 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:04:48 <Zakim> -Judy
15:06:01 <Billy_Gregory> Zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
15:06:01 <Zakim> sorry, Billy_Gregory, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
15:06:40 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, Adrian_Roselli, LJWatson, [IPcaller], Cynthia_Shelly, Janina
15:07:21 <Billy_Gregory> Zakin, [IPcaller] is me
15:08:07 <Billy_Gregory> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:08:07 <Zakim> +Billy_Gregory; got it
15:08:58 <aardrian> PC: Sam and I have been getting feedback on whether WG needs to continue using Decision Policy
15:09:40 <aardrian> PC: Chairs announced at F2F is that new work mode being put into place immediately.
15:10:04 <aardrian> PC: Big change, no CfC for heartbeats, just stay on top of consensus and keep publishing.
15:10:34 <aardrian> PC: Will stop pushing CfCs through WG, but will still use for FD, LC, etc. as defined by process doc.
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15:10:57 <aardrian> PC: Spent time checking status of normative docs (DOM4, HTML5, Canvas) and checking testing results.
15:11:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:11:31 <aardrian> PC: Just sent email to Public-HTML outlining changes for what is at risk for HTML 5.0..
15:11:48 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:11:55 <aardrian> PC: Hope to publish update in next few weeks outlining what has been removed.
15:12:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:12:19 <aardrian> PC: Chairs will try to send HTML5 to LC in June to keep on track to deliver Rec by 4th quarter 2014.
15:12:27 <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
15:12:27 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
15:12:35 <aardrian> Talked about HTML5.1 for a while, sentiment to speed up the schedule for 5.1.
15:13:09 <aardrian> s/ Talked/PC: Talked/
15:13:29 <aardrian> PC: Maybe 5.1 could take 18 months instead of 2 years.
15:13:31 <Zakim> +Judy
15:13:46 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:13:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/10-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals
15:13:48 <aardrian> PC: PF schedule for ARIA 1.1 might be aligned with HTML 5.1 schedule.
15:14:04 <chaals> zakim, make logs public
15:14:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make logs public', chaals
15:14:13 <chaals> rrsagent, make log public
15:15:08 <chaals> Present+ PaulC, Judy, Aardrian
15:15:12 <chaals> zakim, who is here
15:15:12 <Zakim> chaals, you need to end that query with '?'
15:15:15 <aardrian> PC: Decided to mark Ruby as at-risk for LC due to interop evidence, don't want to hold up 5.0.
15:15:19 <chaals> zakim, who is here?
15:15:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, Adrian_Roselli, LJWatson, Billy_Gregory, Cynthia_Shelly, chaals, Judy, Janina
15:15:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see chaals, Billy_Gregory, aardrian, Judy, paulc, LJWatson, Zakim, RRSAgent, IanPouncey, janina, hober, sivoais_, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot
15:15:54 <aardrian> CS: Mentioned in meeting that a11y TF and PF would be interested in timeline changes.
15:15:57 <chaals> Present+ CynthiaS, Leonie, BillyG
15:16:19 <aardrian> PC: Ad hoc 30min discussion about contentEditable. No quick summary, web apps / HTML overlaps.
15:16:54 <aardrian> PC: A11y folks may have interest. Was added to agenda last minute. Check the F2F minutes for a note.
15:17:25 <aardrian> CS: Initial discussion around more API-based approach to editing.
15:17:29 <chaals> q+
15:17:38 <aardrian> CS: Keyboard shortcuts available in some browsers, not others, etc.
15:17:41 <paulc> HTML WG F2F minutes on content editable: http://www.w3.org/2014/04/09-html-wg-minutes.html#item11
15:17:52 <aardrian> CS: API-based minimizes those issues.
15:18:20 <aardrian> CS: Also suggested in addition to shortcuts, consistent/common visual controls.
15:18:33 <aardrian> CS: General consensus was more API based.
15:18:48 <aardrian> JS: Was there a sense that would happen in 5.1 timeframe?
15:18:54 <aardrian> CS: I didn't hear a timeline.
15:19:20 <aardrian> PC: Web Apps meeting today and tomorrow, API meeting probably happening in Web Apps. Watch over next 48 hours.
15:19:27 <janina> q?
15:20:17 <aardrian> CM: Technically similar to issue with date inputs. Different controls, expectations. Complex issue.
15:21:41 <chaals> s/issue/issues - but WebApps tends not to set time schedules for releases/
15:22:00 <paulc> If the HTML WG does HTML 5.1 before 2016 then this might impact any plans of the TF or PF WG to align with the HTML 5.1 schedule.
15:22:09 <aardrian> JS: Highlights: no longer CfCs in HTML for heartbeat publications,
15:22:32 <aardrian> JS: HTML 5.1 might move down rec track faster than in plan 2014,
15:22:52 <aardrian> JS: implications for ARIA are an open question as its timeline maybe cannot catch up.
15:23:25 <aardrian> PC: If TF or PF plan was for a 2016 publish date, may want to stay with that plan.
15:23:38 <aardrian> PC: That means you might end up being aligned with HTML 5.2 instead of 5.1.
15:25:14 <chaals> q-
15:25:31 <aardrian> next item
15:26:19 <aardrian> JS: Steve F is prime mover, need his input.
15:26:30 <aardrian> PC: Let's take it offline for now and update Steve F on work plan.
15:27:30 <aardrian> JS: Second heartbeat, HTML Mappings, we discussed in ARIA editors call yesterday.
15:27:52 <aardrian> JS: We'll see state of document when heartbeat date is set.
15:28:46 <aardrian> next item
15:29:22 <aardrian> JS: We may have had a decision on last week's call to move forward, some feedback on list.
15:29:52 <aardrian> PC: At F2F, only discussion was Mark's update. He is on board with Candidate LC Draft.
15:30:14 <aardrian> PC: Mark reported that editors are still trying to confirm everything in document is correct.
15:30:34 <aardrian> next item
15:30:54 <aardrian> JS: I believe everything we expected to port from 5.1 is now in 5.0.
15:31:07 <aardrian> JS: Bug we were awaiting from WAI has been filed, referenced in agenda.
15:31:29 <aardrian> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25264
15:31:35 <paulc> ACTI
15:31:40 <paulc> ACTION-227?
15:31:40 <trackbot> ACTION-227 -- Mark Sadecki to Email group for next bug triage meeting -- due 2014-01-30 -- OPEN
15:31:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/227
15:31:51 <paulc> ACTION-228?
15:31:51 <trackbot> ACTION-228 -- Steve Faulkner to Produce a list of the bugs relating to the alt guidance changes -- due 2014-02-06 -- OPEN
15:31:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/228
15:31:53 <chaals> q+
15:32:39 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/239
15:32:44 <paulc> ACTION-239?
15:32:44 <trackbot> ACTION-239 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Put a review of the html alt guidance on the agenda, and call for consensus to stop work on the original guidance note -- due 2014-04-10 -- OPEN
15:32:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/239
15:33:40 <aardrian> PC: This is one of the 10 documents HTML WG needs to push forward. Will copy Janina and Chaals as it moves forward.
15:34:05 <aardrian> JS: I think we have 2 questions wrapped in alt.
15:34:30 <aardrian> JS: 1. is the TF happy with the notion of a pointer from that section of the spec to additional resources?
15:34:35 <paulc> ACTION-238?
15:34:35 <trackbot> ACTION-238 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to Ensure that review of alt guidance page (not in the html spec) is on the tf agenda -- due 2014-04-10 -- OPEN
15:34:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/238
15:34:53 <aardrian> JS: 2. the disposition on Steve's document as an HTML WG note.
15:35:27 <aardrian> PC: That second action is 238. Need to find if WG is comfortable with landing page prior to publishing heartbeat/
15:35:44 <aardrian> next item
15:35:51 <janina> q?
15:35:57 <chaals> q-
15:35:58 <janina> ack c
15:36:02 <aardrian> next item
15:36:08 <chaals> q+
15:37:06 <aardrian> CN: Have an item to write up exit criteria.
15:37:30 <aardrian> CN: We have tests to show 2 UAs meet the "must" requirement in the spec.
15:37:57 <aardrian> CN: For spec editing, Mark has that on his to-do list.
15:38:08 <aardrian> CN: Expect to put spec into CR.
15:38:29 <aardrian> CN: Think we haven't formally agreed that test suite represents all the "must" requirements.
15:38:55 <aardrian> JS: No longer looking for zero-length CR time. Will go into CR for some short period of time.
15:39:15 <aardrian> next item
15:39:23 <janina> ack c
15:39:27 <aardrian> next item
15:39:35 <chaals> s/have tests/will have tests/
15:39:55 <aardrian> LW: Haven't met for 2 or 3 weeks, but are nearly at end of going through 5.0 bugs. 3 left?
15:40:11 <aardrian> LW: Now have 3 lodged under TF component in Bugzilla.
15:40:29 <aardrian> next item
15:41:04 <aardrian> JS: Request for editorial improvements in the spec, brought up at CSUN. Any activity?
15:41:20 <aardrian> JS: The people behind it may not be here today.
15:41:40 <aardrian> next item
15:41:58 <aardrian> JS: Close to wrapping 5.0, probably need to start to focus on 5.1.
15:42:22 <aardrian> JS: Includes looking at 5.0 features at-risk, accessibility.
15:42:34 <aardrian> JS: There is a wiki for things we are looking to achieve in 5.1.
15:42:47 <aardrian> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Main_Page
15:43:26 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:43:33 <Zakim> -LJWatson
15:43:45 <Zakim> -chaals
15:43:46 <Zakim> -Billy_Gregory
15:43:47 <Zakim> -Judy
15:43:54 <Zakim> -paulc
15:43:59 <aardrian> zakim, bye
15:43:59 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Janina, Judy, paulc, Adrian_Roselli, LJWatson, Cynthia_Shelly, Billy_Gregory, [IPcaller], chaals
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15:44:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/10-html-a11y-minutes.html aardrian
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