IRC log of dnt on 2014-04-02

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logging to
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be TRACK
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ok, trackbot; I see T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 02 April 2014
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T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM has now started
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zakim, IPcaller is me
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+walter; got it
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+ +1.202.785.aaaa
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Zakim, aaaa is JackHobaugh
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+JackHobaugh; got it
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zakim, call ninja-office
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ok, ninja; the call is being made
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see walter, JackHobaugh, Jeff, Ninja
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On IRC I see kulick, npdoty, jeff, JackHobaugh, RRSAgent, Zakim, ninja, hober, walter, wseltzer, trackbot
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+ +1.650.480.aabb
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zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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+moneill2; got it
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I just joined
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zakim, aabb is Ari
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+Ari; got it
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zakim, ipcaller is me
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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+justin; got it
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On the phone I see walter, JackHobaugh, Jeff, Ninja, Mike_Zaneis, hober, SusanIsrael, Peder_Magee, Brooks, Fielding, Joanne, kulick, Ari, hefferjr, WileyS, MattHayes, Carl_Cargill,
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... rvaneijk, moneill2, ChrisPedigoOPA, ??P50, justin
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ninja, do we have a scribe yet?
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+ +1.917.934.aacc
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I'm on a private #
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zakim, aacc is vinay
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+vinay; got it
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am on Skype, can try
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but it will not necessarily be pretty
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Yeah, this will be a tough one to scribe --- high margin of error will be tolerated.
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+ +1.202.265.aadd
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justin: and if not you may take over :-P
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justin: we're moving to last call
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there is a request to let Roy walk us through
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+ +1.202.370.aaee
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zakim, aaee is robsherman
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+robsherman; got it
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we will watch the queue for questions
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202 265-2736 is Marc
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Zakim, ??p50 is Chris_IAB
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+Chris_IAB; got it
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people may interupt
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Zakim, aadd is marc
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+marc; got it
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but for the most part Roy will walk us through the document
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in the coming week we will have time to ask questions
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and Roy will have an opportunity to incorporate clarifications
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after next week we will go into a two week period
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in which folks can come forward to object
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ack wseltzer
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ack ws
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wseltzer: I just want to echo Justin's call to remind people that the last call is that the group consensus is documented for wider review
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If there is a new technical issue that we haven't addressed
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so the standard is consensus from the group?
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That should block this document
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before going out for last call
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Following the diff :
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Topic: TPE Walkthrough
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16:09:25 [walter]
fielding: As you all know I am excited about a walkthrough of a document you can read
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I will quickly describe the changes since January
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16:10:05 [marc]
I think a section-by-section review would be helpful.
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Carl_Cargill: Would you prefer to know specific issues?
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fielding: I am not going to read the document and open up for comments afterwards
16:10:32 [Ari]
+1 to marc, a section by section would be helpful
16:10:43 [walter]
who is speaking now?
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oh, justin I suppose
16:11:11 [wseltzer]
Chris_IAB, the chairs will call for consensus that the document is ready to publish
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justin: there are people below your technical expertise so it would helpful if you were to describe in more detail
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fielding: we'll start with the introduction
16:11:49 [walter]
now it is a fairly broad introduction
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my preference would be to replace that with the terminology section
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for the most part it has been a placeholder
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at this point I should be rethinking the introduction
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it is clearly editorial now
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it is not affected by the last call status so much
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justin: are you going to change it during last call?
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fielding: it should be editorial and it could go after last call
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so that's the purpose of the introduction
16:14:09 [walter]
the notational concepts section is usually a reference to IETF documents, but now that the HBP stuff is approved
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which means that there will be a new set of RFCs about HTTP coming up
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which will be more specific
16:14:40 [ninja]
zakim, mute me
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Ninja should now be muted
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16:15:03 [walter]
I did make a number of changes to support that in this draft
16:15:23 [marc]
Does the new RFCs change the substance or requirements in any way? I didn't follow that.
16:15:23 [walter]
the terminology section is the unusual bit here
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there are some small changes
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Does he mean definitions?
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section 2.3 has added the definitions of tracking and context
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network interaction and user action
16:16:06 [justin]
JC, yes definitions. It's called "terminology in the doc"