15:54:04 RRSAgent has joined #dnt 15:54:04 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/04/02-dnt-irc 15:54:06 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:54:08 Zakim, this will be TRACK 15:54:08 ok, trackbot; I see T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes 15:54:09 Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference 15:54:09 Date: 02 April 2014 15:56:39 T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM has now started 15:56:45 +[IPcaller] 15:56:57 zakim, IPcaller is me 15:57:25 +walter; got it 15:57:43 JackHobaugh has joined #dnt 15:58:44 + +1.202.785.aaaa 15:58:58 Zakim, aaaa is JackHobaugh 15:58:58 +JackHobaugh; got it 15:59:08 jeff has joined #dnt 15:59:13 npdoty has joined #dnt 15:59:23 +Jeff 15:59:30 zakim, call ninja-office 15:59:30 ok, ninja; the call is being made 15:59:31 +Ninja 15:59:45 zakim, who is here? 15:59:45 kulick has joined #dnt 16:00:09 On the phone I see walter, JackHobaugh, Jeff, Ninja 16:00:10 Joanne has joined #DNT 16:00:11 On IRC I see kulick, npdoty, jeff, JackHobaugh, RRSAgent, Zakim, ninja, hober, walter, wseltzer, trackbot 16:00:21 +Mike_Zaneis 16:00:34 WileyS has joined #dnt 16:00:35 +hober 16:00:39 fielding has joined #dnt 16:01:02 susanisrael has joined #dnt 16:01:02 Chris_IAB has joined #dnt 16:01:05 Brooks has joined #dnt 16:01:06 +SusanIsrael 16:01:16 <_538> _538 has joined #dnt 16:01:20 moneill2 has joined #dnt 16:01:25 Ari has joined #dnt 16:01:25 +Peder_Magee 16:01:25 +Brooks 16:01:28 +Fielding 16:01:28 +Joanne 16:01:28 +kulick 16:01:33 + +1.650.480.aabb 16:01:37 rvaneijk has joined #dnt 16:01:45 +hefferjr 16:01:46 justin has joined #dnt 16:01:47 matt has joined #dnt 16:03:10 +WileyS 16:03:11 +MattHayes 16:03:11 +Carl_Cargill 16:03:11 +rvaneijk 16:03:11 +[IPcaller] 16:03:11 +ChrisPedigoOPA 16:03:11 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 16:03:11 +moneill2; got it 16:03:11 schunter has joined #dnt 16:03:11 +??P50 16:03:13 I just joined 16:03:30 ChrisPedigoOPA has joined #dnt 16:03:30 +[IPcaller] 16:03:32 zakim, aabb is Ari 16:03:32 +Ari; got it 16:03:36 zakim, ipcaller is me 16:03:47 zakim, who is on the phone? 16:03:49 +justin; got it 16:03:49 On the phone I see walter, JackHobaugh, Jeff, Ninja, Mike_Zaneis, hober, SusanIsrael, Peder_Magee, Brooks, Fielding, Joanne, kulick, Ari, hefferjr, WileyS, MattHayes, Carl_Cargill, 16:03:49 ... rvaneijk, moneill2, ChrisPedigoOPA, ??P50, justin 16:03:49 +Wendy 16:03:50 vinay has joined #dnt 16:03:55 JC has joined #DNT 16:04:02 ninja, do we have a scribe yet? 16:04:07 + +1.917.934.aacc 16:04:14 I'm on a private # 16:04:15 zakim, aacc is vinay 16:04:29 +vinay; got it 16:04:30 +[Microsoft] 16:04:32 am on Skype, can try 16:04:38 but it will not necessarily be pretty 16:04:50 kulick has left #dnt 16:05:01 marc has joined #dnt 16:05:02 Mike_Zaneis has joined #dnt 16:05:04 Yeah, this will be a tough one to scribe --- high margin of error will be tolerated. 16:05:10 + +1.202.265.aadd 16:05:18 justin: and if not you may take over :-P 16:05:32 +npdoty 16:05:42 justin: we're moving to last call 16:05:42 robsherman has joined #dnt 16:05:48 there is a request to let Roy walk us through 16:05:49 + +1.202.370.aaee 16:05:55 zakim, aaee is robsherman 16:05:55 +robsherman; got it 16:06:01 Carl_Cargill has joined #dnt 16:06:06 we will watch the queue for questions 16:06:07 202 265-2736 is Marc 16:06:12 Zakim, ??p50 is Chris_IAB 16:06:12 +Chris_IAB; got it 16:06:12 people may interupt 16:06:13 +[Mozilla] 16:06:16 Zakim, aadd is marc 16:06:16 +marc; got it 16:06:22 but for the most part Roy will walk us through the document 16:06:32 kj has joined #dnt 16:06:34 sidstamm has joined #dnt 16:06:38 in the coming week we will have time to ask questions 16:06:49 and Roy will have an opportunity to incorporate clarifications 16:06:59 after next week we will go into a two week period 16:06:59 dwainberg has joined #dnt 16:07:14 in which folks can come forward to object 16:07:17 q+ 16:07:30 +dwainberg 16:07:38 ack wseltzer 16:07:39 ack ws 16:07:59 wseltzer: I just want to echo Justin's call to remind people that the last call is that the group consensus is documented for wider review 16:08:10 If there is a new technical issue that we haven't addressed 16:08:13 so the standard is consensus from the group? 16:08:23 That should block this document 16:08:29 before going out for last call 16:08:59 Following the diff : http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/diffs/TPE-WD6-to-20140402.html 16:09:15 Topic: TPE Walkthrough 16:09:21 http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/diffs/TPE-WD6-to-20140402.html diff 16:09:25 fielding: As you all know I am excited about a walkthrough of a document you can read 16:09:36 I will quickly describe the changes since January 16:09:44 q? 16:10:05 I think a section-by-section review would be helpful. 16:10:18 Carl_Cargill: Would you prefer to know specific issues? 16:10:29 fielding: I am not going to read the document and open up for comments afterwards 16:10:32 +1 to marc, a section by section would be helpful 16:10:43 who is speaking now? 16:10:51 oh, justin I suppose 16:11:11 Chris_IAB, the chairs will call for consensus that the document is ready to publish 16:11:18 justin: there are people below your technical expertise so it would helpful if you were to describe in more detail 16:11:42 fielding: we'll start with the introduction 16:11:49 now it is a fairly broad introduction 16:11:54 vincent has joined #dnt 16:12:01 my preference would be to replace that with the terminology section 16:12:21 for the most part it has been a placeholder 16:12:37 at this point I should be rethinking the introduction 16:12:43 it is clearly editorial now 16:12:49 it is not affected by the last call status so much 16:13:08 justin: are you going to change it during last call? 16:13:21 fielding: it should be editorial and it could go after last call 16:13:37 so that's the purpose of the introduction 16:14:09 the notational concepts section is usually a reference to IETF documents, but now that the HBP stuff is approved 16:14:27 which means that there will be a new set of RFCs about HTTP coming up 16:14:33 which will be more specific 16:14:40 zakim, mute me 16:14:40 Ninja should now be muted 16:15:00 q? 16:15:03 I did make a number of changes to support that in this draft 16:15:23 Does the new RFCs change the substance or requirements in any way? I didn't follow that. 16:15:23 the terminology section is the unusual bit here 16:15:45 there are some small changes 16:15:54 Does he mean definitions? 16:15:55 section 2.3 has added the definitions of tracking and context 16:16:00 network interaction and user action 16:16:06 JC, yes definitions. It's called "terminology in the doc"