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08:19:27 <gatemezi> Today seems here our Eduroam connection is down
08:19:30 <MakxDekkers> * o
08:19:46 <PhilA> meeting: DWBP WG F2F Day 2
08:19:51 <PhilA> chair: Hadley
08:19:52 <MakxDekkers> Phil how do you do those starry comments?
08:20:55 <ericstephan> Is zzzzakim awake yet for phone service?
08:20:57 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I can't dial in to Zakim
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08:21:45 <PhilA> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014
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08:22:02 <MakxDekkers> would be nice to have hangout today too
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08:23:05 <deirdrelee> hangout setup, will post the link in a second...
08:23:17 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> "the conference is restricted at this time"
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08:23:31 <PhilA> zakim, room for 4?
08:23:33 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; conference Team_(dwbp)08:23Z scheduled with code 3927 (DWBP) for 60 minutes until 0923Z
08:23:38 <PhilA> zakim, code?
08:23:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
08:23:59 <deirdrelee> new google hangout for this morning here https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Google_Hangout
08:24:02 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has now started
08:24:09 <Zakim> +ericstephan
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08:24:45 <laufer> +laufer
08:25:11 <adler1> HadleyBeeman: I want us to split into group and work on use cases and vocabularies
08:25:18 <adler1> ... we don't have much for each of them
08:25:35 <adler1> ... we can start by creating wiki pages like we did yesterday for best practices
08:25:45 <HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_notes
08:26:01 <deirdrelee> Good morning Makx, we're in a different room today
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08:26:15 <HadleyBeeman> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Preparation
08:26:20 <adler1> ... it would be great if we had other pages and can take headers from documents that are online
08:26:34 <adler1> ... for best practices we can steal headers from mobile best practices
08:26:37 <adler1> ... etc
08:27:00 <Zakim> -ericstephan
08:27:01 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has ended
08:27:01 <Zakim> Attendees were ericstephan
08:27:12 <adler1> ... each group will need a scribe and to keep track of actions coming out of discussions
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08:27:53 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)08:23Z has now started
08:28:00 <Zakim> +Steve
08:28:03 <Zakim> +ericstephan
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08:28:44 <adler1> ... we can look at use cases and existing work that is relevant
08:29:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
08:29:12 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> Zakim, IPcaller is me
08:29:12 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida_; got it
08:29:14 <PhilA> zakim, Steve has Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA
08:29:14 <Zakim> +Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA; got it
08:29:16 <adler1> deirdrelee: we can split challenges into the three groups
08:29:48 <ericstephan> Good morning!
08:29:53 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> good morning
08:30:38 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me
08:30:38 <Zakim> sorry, JoaoPauloAlmeida, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
08:30:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I am having some technical problems, sound is very bad
08:30:57 <deirdrelee> Challenges google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=5
08:31:22 <ericstephan> not great sound at this point....
08:31:31 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Sound was good yesterday, but quite bad today
08:31:33 <ericstephan> might be part of a dream sequence
08:32:13 <deirdrelee> on second tab, master challenges
08:32:13 <ericstephan> It might be too tough with the breakouts
08:32:14 <HadleyBeeman> sorry, joaopaulo and ericstephan. We're trying to make it better — it's a bigger room.
08:32:16 <nathalia> the sound for me is a little low
08:32:35 <ericstephan> is the facility under water?
08:32:44 <MakxDekkers> sound on hangout is reasonable
08:32:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> what's different from yesterday?
08:33:01 <HadleyBeeman> joaopaulo: it's a different room
08:33:01 <gatemezi_> same problem here ..
08:33:21 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ok
08:33:21 <ericstephan> IRC might be our best friend today
08:33:32 <MakxDekkers> better than yesterday, i guess it's room acoustics
08:33:36 <HadleyBeeman> I'm afraid there's not much we can do.  I think ericstephan is right:  IRC may be even more important than usual.
08:33:43 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I'll try the sound in hangout
08:34:12 <adler1> deirdrelee: the first one is metadata and it relates to vocabularies as well
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08:34:25 <adler1> ... I propose metadata would go in best practices group
08:34:54 <Zakim> -ericstephan
08:34:57 <adler1> ... the second challenge is the granularity of data to publish
08:35:20 <adler1> ... formats - CSV and other formats
08:35:32 <adler1> ... different indictors
08:35:42 <adler1> ... heterogeneous formats
08:35:55 <HadleyBeeman> I've updated the agenda for today: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#2nd_day_.2801.2F04.29
08:35:59 <adler1> ... common vobs are not used
08:36:14 <adler1> ... added value comes from comparable data sets combined
08:36:29 <adler1> ... usw
08:37:27 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
08:37:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve, JoaoPauloAlmeida_
08:37:29 <Zakim> Steve has Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline, PhilA
08:37:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, gatemezi_, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, fkyanai, yaso, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, Ig_Bittencourt_, jeremy, RRSAgent, Zakim,
08:37:29 <Zakim> ... PhilA, Caroline_, JohnGoodwin, adler1, laufer, newton, ericstephan, nathalia, gatemezi, MakxDekkers, trackbot
08:37:37 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida_
08:37:42 <PhilA> present+ Carlos
08:37:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> PhilA, again this code is not valid
08:38:13 <ericstephan> I am just hanging out on IRC
08:40:33 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers
08:40:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> adler1, please do not forget to scribe on behalf of us remote participants
08:41:04 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, steve has me
08:41:04 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it
08:42:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
08:42:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me
08:42:14 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
08:43:33 <adler1> deidrelee is reading all the challenges from the spreadsheet
08:43:45 <Zakim> +ericstephan
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08:44:30 <nathalia> I'm not hearing nothing
08:45:01 <nathalia> Hangout is mute
08:45:06 <ericstephan> no sound at all nathalia?
08:46:10 <nathalia> no sound at all
08:46:18 <nathalia> at Hangout
08:47:41 <nathalia> No more parties can be added this time
08:47:46 <nathalia> :(
08:47:53 <nathalia> Zakim said this
08:47:55 <PhilA> zakim, room for 1 more?
08:47:55 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, PhilA.
08:48:04 <PhilA> zakim, room for 2?
08:48:06 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again
08:49:10 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> deirdrelee is almost at the end of the challenges spreadsheet
08:49:47 <ericstephan> Okay I'll hang up and wait on IRC PhilA
08:49:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is talking?
08:49:50 <nathalia> ok PhilA
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08:49:54 <Zakim> -ericstephan
08:50:00 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (31%), Steve (13%)
08:50:01 <newton> Zakim, who is making noise?
08:50:13 <Zakim> newton, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (57%), Steve (86%)
08:50:18 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> MakxDekkers, can you mute yourself?
08:50:27 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me
08:50:27 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
08:50:45 <ericstephan> Is it the rain in Spain Makx?
08:50:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
08:51:18 <nathalia> I'm at Zakim
08:51:27 <adler1> ... they could all go into best practice and pull out the ones into data usage and granulatiry and they others can go into the other group
08:51:38 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is nathalia
08:51:38 <Zakim> +nathalia; got it
08:51:44 <nathalia> :))
08:52:15 <PhilA> q+
08:52:20 <adler1> had: our next step is to plit into groups
08:52:57 <laufer> s/plit/split/
08:53:25 <gatemezi_> s/had:/HadleyBeeman
08:53:44 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I could be in group 1 if I good hear :-O
08:54:07 <gatemezi_> which are the groups?
08:54:20 <PhilA> Thing 1 is best Practices
08:54:25 <adler1> had: the discussion groups will discuss use cases and the structure of the documents
08:54:28 <PhilA> Thing 2 is Quality & Granularity
08:54:32 <PhilA> Thing 3 is Data Usage
08:54:34 <adler1> creating requiremenst from the challenges
08:54:50 <adler1> the requirements we come up with will go into the use case docuemnt
08:54:59 <PhilA> Not writing the vocabs, but working on requirements for those requirements
08:55:20 <adler1> who are the discussion leaders - each group decides
08:56:03 <nathalia> ok
08:58:35 <gatemezi_> Can't we merge Thing 2 and Thing 3 ?
09:02:54 <HadleyBeeman> gatemezi_: the decisions may merge, but first we need to sort out the notes and use cases for each.
09:03:27 <gatemezi_> Ok, HadleyBeeman
09:03:32 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> sound is gone worse now
09:03:38 <ericstephan> During this breakout time I'm wondering for productivity if it would be helpful to spend some time doing analysis between syergistic/overlapping CSVW Use Cases and DWBP Challenges.  Would this be too divergent?
09:04:04 <adler1> leigh dods is doing some work on licensing in ODI and we agreed to park that idea and come back to it later
09:04:26 <PhilA> I was suggesting that we split off licences, i.e. machine readable licences. Invite Leigh Dodds, and perhaps the ODRL folks, to look at that. This WG *could* be a vehicle for standardisation of that work if a) this WG felt it useful; b) extra capacity came to the WG to deliver it
09:05:03 <PhilA> action: PhilA to contact Leigh Dodds wrt exchangeable licences etc.
09:05:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Contact leigh dodds wrt exchangeable licences etc. [on Phil Archer - due 2014-04-08].
09:05:55 <antoine> for the record i am also to do some work on licenses for europeans
09:06:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> so, what's going on?
09:06:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> HadleyBeeman, what's going on?
09:06:52 <HadleyBeeman> JoaoPaulo, Makx, Eric:
09:06:53 <nathalia> I'm thinking is dividing groups
09:07:05 <HadleyBeeman> (and nathalia, gatemezi)
09:07:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> It's so crazy that video feed is good and sound terrible...
09:07:33 <HadleyBeeman> We are splitting up into 3 groups.  One for Best practices, one for Data usage vocab, one for data quality vocab.
09:07:46 <HadleyBeeman> Give us a sec — I will tell you how to join
09:07:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> thx
09:07:52 <nathalia> ok
09:07:56 <gatemezi_> ok
09:07:58 <ericstephan> Ok great, thank you
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09:12:36 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers
09:12:46 <laufer> çlaufer
09:12:55 <laufer> -laufer
09:13:04 <Caroline_> Best Practices groups is working on IRC #dwbpbestpractices
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09:13:26 <yaso>  dwbp-DataUsage
09:13:42 <yaso> Data Usage Task force: #dwbp-DataUsage
09:14:10 <Zakim> -nathalia
09:16:13 <HadleyBeeman> Okay, remote participants:  we are splitting into the groups, each with their own IRC channel.
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09:16:44 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ok, What about sound/hang out?
09:16:47 <HadleyBeeman> They are working on notes on the wiki: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Deliverables
09:17:14 <deirdrelee> IRC Channel for quality and granularity group is #dwbpq&g
09:17:33 <HadleyBeeman> JoaoPauloAlmeida, there is a google hangout in the Best Practices discussion, and a Skype connection in the Data Quality discussion
09:18:16 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
09:18:48 <HadleyBeeman> And a hangout for the Data Usage discussion too, I think.
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09:19:20 <jeremy> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_notes
09:19:52 <Caroline_> Zakim, who's here?
09:19:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve
09:19:54 <Zakim> Steve has HadleyBeeman
09:19:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see MakxDekkers, BrianMatthews, yaso, fkyanai, CarlosIglesias, adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, jeremy,
09:19:54 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, Caroline_, JohnGoodwin, adler1, nathalia, gatemezi, trackbot
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09:21:04 <adler1> PhilA, when you publish a dataset its for the potential users of the dataset is this a one off and will it be updated every month
09:21:26 <adler1> ... what ever the update period is where is the policy that says you are going to do so
09:22:06 <HadleyBeeman> topic:  Data quality task force
09:23:03 <adler1> .. DCAT is missing things that we can add to
09:23:36 <MakxDekkers> q+
09:24:13 <deirdrelee> ack PhilA
09:24:17 <deirdrelee> ack MakxDekkers
09:25:00 <deirdrelee> MakxDekkers: the subjective quality parameters are more difficult to capture and represent
09:25:18 <deirdrelee> ... should be careful not to mix these with the objective aspects, which will lead to quality
09:25:49 <deirdrelee> adler1: could we include both?
09:25:50 <deirdrelee> PhilA: how to express something that is subjective
09:27:08 <adler1> jeremy, metrics are subjective to each person point of view
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09:27:34 <adler1> ... we encounter a number of subjective metrics
09:28:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Steve, in Team_(dwbp)08:23Z
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09:28:01 <Zakim> Attendees were ericstephan, JoaoPauloAlmeida_, Hadley, Yaso, Flavio, Newton, Bernadette, Ig, Deirdre, Jeremy, Adriano, Brian, Laufer, Vagner, JohnG, MarkH, Antoine, Caroline,
09:28:01 <Zakim> ... PhilA, MakxDekkers, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, nathalia
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09:31:08 <deirdrelee> adler1: quality should be bidirectional, user opinions should be incorporated
09:31:49 <MakxDekkers> can we separate and start with the objective facts?
09:32:09 <deirdrelee> PhilA: there is a w3c workshop on this in san francisco
09:32:24 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/annotation/ Annotations workshop
09:32:45 <MakxDekkers> a subjective statement is not a fact about a resource
09:34:06 <MakxDekkers> it's a fact about the relationship between the person that makes a jusdgment and the resource
09:35:09 <PhilA> zakim, end meeting
09:35:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end meeting', PhilA
09:35:16 <PhilA> zakim, bye
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09:35:33 <PhilA> zakim, room for 6?
09:35:34 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; conference Team_(dwbp)09:35Z scheduled with code 3927 (DWBP) for 60 minutes until 1035Z
09:35:41 <MakxDekkers> those are objective facts deirdre
09:35:52 <deirdrelee> yes
09:35:54 <PhilA> zakim, code?
09:35:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
09:36:17 <MakxDekkers> +q
09:36:32 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)09:35Z has now started
09:36:38 <Zakim> +Steve
09:37:17 <deirdrelee> jeremy: different domains have different quality requirements
09:37:41 <deirdrelee> ack MakxDekkers
09:38:26 <adler1> MakxDekkers, the provider will never say its rubbish whereas the user may provide that feedback
09:38:29 <deirdrelee> antoine: many quality metrics can be added by data publisher or user, it's data centric
09:39:23 <deirdrelee> MakxDekkers: the data publisher and user will add different kinds of metrics, we should make a distinction between statement of facts and opinions
09:43:08 <deirdrelee> antoine: why close the door on data user adding objective facts?
09:44:24 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: we can first look at obective facts and then subjective, but who adds the objective facts (users or publishers) is irrelevnat
09:45:27 <deirdrelee> adler1: user is not only an individual, but could also be an institution. publisher could also be an individual
09:46:05 <deirdrelee> antoine: for example OSM
09:47:58 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/04/daQ Jeremy's slides
09:53:00 <deirdrelee> jeremy: a colleague of Jeremy's in Uni of Leipzig did a paper on quality metrics, should be available soon
09:53:30 <MakxDekkers> does daQ include information about the entity that did the measurement?
09:55:29 <deirdrelee> jeremy: the provenance should be included in vocab, but at what level, per metric, per dimension?
09:56:23 <deirdrelee> PhilA: there could be multiple metrics on a particular dataset
09:57:05 <deirdrelee> antoine: our role would be to define what metrics to include?
09:57:51 <deirdrelee> PhilA: jeremy has to convince dwbp chairs that we should use daQ
09:58:15 <deirdrelee> phi
09:59:28 <deirdrelee> PhilA: Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) W3C accessibility has some of what jeremy can reuse http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php
09:59:52 <deirdrelee> ... it includes provenance etc.
10:00:23 <deirdrelee> jeremy: nobody whould question the data in the quality graph
10:00:47 <deirdrelee> antoine: why not?
10:01:05 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
10:01:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steve
10:01:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see BrianMatthews_, MakxDekkers, yaso, fkyanai, CarlosIglesias, adrianov, JoaoPauloAlmeida, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, deirdrelee, jeremy, RRSAgent, PhilA, Caroline_,
10:01:07 <Zakim> ... JohnGoodwin, adler1, nathalia, trackbot
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10:02:37 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: jeremy's model is for automatically created metrics, not necessarily human-created
10:03:56 <deirdrelee> PhilA: are there liability issues with quality metrics?
10:04:21 <deirdrelee> adler1: there could be multple values for each metric
10:04:39 <MakxDekkers> Looking at EARL schema. Looks quite useful
10:04:44 <MakxDekkers> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/
10:05:29 <deirdrelee> PhilA: can jeremy add a real use-case?
10:06:45 <deirdrelee> ... any metric that you measure is a subset of those that could be measured, the selection of metrics is subjective
10:07:25 <deirdrelee> adler1: quality can be a composite point of view
10:07:37 <deirdrelee> antoine: we will still have to define some metrics
10:07:52 <deirdrelee> PhilA: jeremy is doing this
10:08:33 <deirdrelee> antoine: if there are multiple use-cases that point to same metrics, we can include them in the vocab, but they can be extended
10:10:26 <deirdrelee> PhilA: there are some datasets that are authoritative, this should be a metric, but is this a quality metric or a descriptive metric (for dcat+)
10:12:29 <deirdrelee> jeremy: we should think about what consumers need to know
10:13:07 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: data publishers could also say their data is not good quality
10:13:21 <deirdrelee> antoine: what is the relationship with datacube?
10:14:08 <deirdrelee> adler1: there are metrics for confidence, but no metric for measuring doubt,
10:14:33 <deirdrelee> ... to allow human nature to admit some doubt
10:15:03 <MakxDekkers> deirdre a publisher would most likely not say unqualified "not good", they would probably say things like ...
10:15:28 <MakxDekkers> this data hasn't bee ncleaned, or it comes from a source we haven't been able to verify
10:15:38 <deirdrelee> ... don't only have positive assertiions on data, how about negative assertions, but phrased in a way to make it 'pschologically' ok for data not to be great
10:15:51 <MakxDekkers> that's what I meant
10:16:06 <MakxDekkers> the negative or disclaimers
10:16:27 <deirdrelee> cheers makx
10:16:45 <deirdrelee> chris taggart from opencorporates chatting to group now
10:17:26 <MakxDekkers> can't hear chris at all
10:17:50 <deirdrelee> he's just chatting, not a presentation
10:18:34 <deirdrelee> we're having a coffee break now too
10:18:39 <deirdrelee> chat in 10 mins
10:19:40 <MakxDekkers> so is it sensible to say there are three levels: 1. dcat+-type facts 2. daQ/EARL-type metrics 3. opinions?
10:19:43 <jeremy> This is the survey paper I was talking about: www.semantic-web-journal.net/system/files/swj556.pdf - it is still under review, but a good overview of what metrics exists for LOD
10:21:40 <MakxDekkers> useful refernce.
10:38:29 <MakxDekkers> Maybe also useful http://www.slideshare.net/OpenDataSupport/open-data-quality-29248578
10:39:19 <MakxDekkers> Slide 8 has an overview of quality dimensions
10:39:24 <deirdrelee> cheers
10:40:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Steve, in Team_(dwbp)09:35Z
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10:40:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Steve
10:40:44 <jeremy> @MakxDekkers - did you actually implement those metrics?
10:41:46 <MakxDekkers> jeremy, these are not metrics -- the slides provide best practice advice to publishers to address those dimensions
10:41:57 <MakxDekkers> we haven't measured the data they provide
10:43:42 <jeremy> yes you are right... my mistake.. they would be "Dimensions" in terms of daq - (as you rightly said in the slides)
10:43:52 <MakxDekkers> BP recomm is eg "check data before publication to increase consistency" (slide 17)
10:47:31 <MakxDekkers> has the group reconvened yet?
10:49:22 <MakxDekkers> I hear the word "quality" but I can't hear what people are saying.
10:49:41 <deirdrelee> no,everyone's still out for coffee
10:49:50 <MakxDekkers> ok
10:49:51 <deirdrelee> steve and i talking to chris
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11:13:52 <MakxDekkers> the issue of trust is a completely different aspect
11:14:12 <MakxDekkers> the model needs to allow for lying
11:14:44 <MakxDekkers> reputation is certainly an issue
11:14:51 <Caroline_> Scribe: JoaoPauloAlmeida
11:14:53 <Caroline_> sorry!
11:15:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> that would be complicated
11:15:08 <Caroline_> Scribe: JohnGoodwin
11:15:38 <MakxDekkers> any statement about quality needs to be accompanied by provenance info
11:16:10 <MakxDekkers> dcat+-type statements are covered by the fact that it is the publisher saying it
11:16:37 <MakxDekkers> and you either trust the publisher or you don't
11:17:23 <MakxDekkers> deirdre, yes let's get concrete
11:19:17 <MakxDekkers> sound is confused
11:21:12 <MakxDekkers> several people talking
11:25:20 <deirdrelee> adler1: reputation  is important