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09:21:44 <newton_> Ok
09:23:45 <yaso> We should work here https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes
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09:26:44 <ericstephan> Hello!
09:26:55 <ericstephan> My mic is not working but i can listen
09:27:11 <ericstephan> Good morning everyone
09:34:20 <ericstephan> Data set selection might mean many things to many groups....
09:39:50 <ericstephan> Yes I can here a  bit :-)_
09:41:22 <ericstephan> Knowing data is credible or trustworthy would be extremely important
09:42:04 <yaso> Maybe we can have a feedback on the data to reinforce the quality of the data
09:42:40 <ericstephan> Yes very good especially feedback from respected experts
09:43:07 <ericstephan> A leading researcher feedback versus a non-expert
09:45:05 <ericstephan>  Would this help? https://www.force11.org/node/4770
09:47:00 <ericstephan> So citations, scholarly value, might be useful?
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09:51:09 <adrianov_> Eric: suggests https://www.force11.org/node/4770
09:51:36 <BernadetteLoscio_> Hi Eric!
09:52:00 <ericstephan> Hello Bernadette!
09:54:46 <ericstephan> Isn't one simple use case of API and data selection the use mime type?
10:02:45 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes
10:05:49 <yaso> I’m not feeling good :/
10:06:07 <ericstephan> I use the msm http://iserve.kmi.open.ac.uk/wiki/IServe_vocabulary to describe services
10:09:44 <BernadetteLoscio_> really interesting
10:09:49 <ericstephan> For some datasets (terascale and petascale) and in science it is more advantageous to move the API to the data rather than having the API operate on the data.  From a data usage perspective I might want to know what API I could operate on data types I was already aware.
10:10:38 <BernadetteLoscio_> im not sure if i understand :(
10:12:20 <yaso> It’s a problem of performance, Eric?
10:13:49 <ericstephan> Yes
10:13:53 <ericstephan> That is correct
10:14:03 <ericstephan> It would also be true of streaming data
10:14:42 <ericstephan> Streaming data as opposed to a fixed dataset
10:16:20 <newton_> Streaming data is about real-time data, you mean?
10:18:00 <ericstephan> Yes
10:20:20 <ericstephan> That is also good providing information about the organization or individual using the project
10:20:28 <ericstephan> s/project/data/
10:21:14 <ericstephan> Data provenance is very important, it might also be important to describe what doesn't work with the dataset
10:24:48 <ericstephan> Who is publishing and who is using the data, how it is being used, and what APIs are capable of using the data?
10:28:35 <ericstephan> Yes As Phil was talking about yesterday how data is associated with other data?
10:29:07 <ericstephan> PDF file was read and a table was generated from that.  How do we describe that association ?
10:32:41 <HadleyBeeman> rrsagent, make logs public
10:35:39 <ericstephan> sooo...describing dataset from a Data governance, ownership, stewardship, access from a community perspective?  Interesting
10:36:29 <yaso> yesyou can also describe the associations of the datasets you’re using
10:36:59 <ericstephan> Its almost like a differentiating data in the wild from "formalized" datasets?
10:37:28 <yaso> yes
10:38:06 <ericstephan> A use case might be relying on Google Maps for some data but adding my own Point of Interest mapping points to a map.  You could rely on Google Maps but maybe not my POI data
10:39:48 <yaso> Yes, this is a good use case. Just like about drugs: if I have a index of drugs and take a dataset of FDA (if it was open) and then I add my impressions about each drug, to share
10:39:59 <yaso> (I saw something like this in Brazil)
10:40:00 <ericstephan> Yes great example
10:41:05 <ericstephan> Depending on your perspective the "expertise" could be relative.  What the FDA says versus personal experience
10:41:20 <yaso> Yes!
10:41:32 <yaso> I add this 2 cases on  the wiki https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes
10:41:42 <yaso> Now I’m gonna take some coffee
10:41:44 <ericstephan> Great!
10:41:47 <ericstephan> Okay me too
10:59:14 <ericstephan> Are we going back to the main group?
11:01:33 <HadleyBeeman> Not sure yet, eric. We should be starting up again in a minute or two
11:01:39 <HadleyBeeman> ^ ericstephan
11:01:57 <ericstephan> Okay thank you Hadley
11:06:08 <newton_> Eric, you left the hangout?
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11:06:36 <ericstephan> It left me :-)
11:06:45 <newton_> Ok
11:06:48 <newton_> We can start a new
11:07:49 <ericstephan> Okay I am back on.
11:08:16 <ericstephan> Sorry no video from my side, but it is still dark and my picture looks creepy working by the light of the monitor :-)
11:08:58 <newton_> It is ok
11:09:11 <newton_> Yaso, Berna and Adriano are coming
11:09:23 <ericstephan> Great
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11:19:51 <ericstephan> http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/details/vocabulary_voaf.html
11:27:37 <ericstephan> visual analytics might be another example
11:44:05 <adrianov_> scriber adrianov
11:44:30 <newton_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes#Challenges_areas
11:44:35 <newton_> You can edit also
11:44:40 <newton_> Eric
11:45:34 <adrianov_> ericstephan: vocab should enable privacy config
11:46:41 <adrianov_> newton_: an important point (related to revenue) is how to value the data
11:47:36 <adrianov_> BernadetteLoscio_: the vocab should reflect the process of charging
11:49:22 <adrianov_> BernadetteLoscio_: discussion on wether or not SLAs are on the scope of data usage
11:51:22 <ericstephan> Maybe the providers of data need to know the fee for serving their data
11:51:36 <ericstephan> If it is served for instance on AWS
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11:54:39 <BernadetteLoscio_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Challenges
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12:03:58 <adrianov_> BernadetteLoscio_: discussing about the scope: privacy, revenue, traceability and gathering feedback
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13:19:31 <fkyanai> Hi !
13:19:37 <fkyanai> Eric, are you online ?
13:19:45 <fkyanai> The new link to the hangout
13:19:46 <fkyanai> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpi3vvm7mu0rjl23e6mgdgls
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13:22:00 <newton> Hi Eric
13:23:17 <adrianov> ALL: scope includes traceability, gathering feedback, and other aspects, namely privacy and revenue
13:23:42 <adrianov> scriber: adrianov
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13:25:00 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: other aspects also include provenance
13:25:22 <newton> scribe: adrianov
13:25:56 <ericstephan> Hello is everyone coming back?  I'll get back on line
13:26:08 <adrianov> BernadetteLoscio: our focus is on who is using the data
13:31:51 <newton> BernadetteLoscio: we are going to organize all items collected in the first brainstorm
13:35:11 <newton> ... and classify them into categories: Traceability, Feedback, Other aspects (including data provenance, revenue and privacy).
13:43:12 <ericstephan> I think there are many aspects of the provenance vocabulary we could borrow or use as a basis.  The difference being the PROV is describing what happened Data Usage describes what is possible.
13:46:45 <newton> This is the link of Data usage notes
13:46:46 <newton> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes
13:50:15 <adrianov> general challenges https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Challenges
13:50:26 <ericstephan> To Me the points in Dataset selection/Processing/usability can be organized under:  Who What When Why How
14:04:46 <ericstephan> I think of provenance as just "Data Usage History" from our perspective
14:05:04 <ericstephan> Does this make sense?
14:06:12 <ericstephan> I have a dataset A, here is how it was used, who used it, and here is how they used it.  This is the data usage history...
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14:06:33 <adrianov> makes sense to me
14:08:03 <ericstephan> Its past (PROV) and present/future (Data Usage) tense use of data.
14:08:56 <ericstephan> It is very complementary to provenance
14:08:58 <ericstephan> Yes
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14:09:53 <ericstephan> I've heard it called predictive provenance, now we call it data usage
14:09:55 <ericstephan> yes!
14:10:47 <yaso> scribe: newton
14:11:32 <yaso> scribe: yaso
14:14:24 <ericstephan> I added a few points to our wiki page
14:19:20 <newton> BernadetteLoscio: the point now is "how can we, as consumer of data, give a feedback about the dataset"
14:19:50 <ericstephan> There might be different kinds of feedback, blogging versus following a protocol?
14:20:03 <BernadetteLoscio> yes...
14:20:33 <BernadetteLoscio> we can describe data feedback on a machine readable format?
14:20:46 <ericstephan> Yes!
14:20:49 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
14:20:58 <newton> What do you suggest to do that?
14:20:59 <ericstephan> In some cases the machines will be giving the feedback
14:21:02 <BernadetteLoscio> do you know if there is a vocab for this?
14:21:11 <ericstephan> Not off hand
14:21:19 <ericstephan> Its a great question
14:21:30 <ericstephan> It almost follows under document transclusion
14:22:24 <BernadetteLoscio> do you think that this  should include in the data usage vocabulary?
14:22:29 <ericstephan> I wonder if something is available under BFO
14:23:12 <BernadetteLoscio> BFO is a vocab?
14:23:32 <ericstephan> Basic Foundation Ontology Its something that came out of the BIomedical community to manage research data
14:23:55 <BernadetteLoscio> yeah... maybe... i dont know this
14:23:57 <ericstephan> OBI and AIO use BFO....
14:24:41 <ericstephan> I know a little about it, OBI is used to describe how data is processed or used and I'm not sure if it handles feedback but I can check just a sec....
14:25:12 <yaso> we’re gonna have more coffee
14:25:13 <yaso> :-)
14:25:15 <ericstephan> sounds good
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14:45:18 <BernadetteLoscio> hi Eric!
14:45:21 <BernadetteLoscio> we're back!
14:47:54 <ericstephan> Hi!
14:57:08 <yaso> http://srvisis01.univ-mlv.fr/selfMed/molecules.php
15:00:29 <BernadetteLoscio> http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-ucr/#Requirements
15:08:21 <ericstephan> Example way of leveraging PROV as a base line Instead of prov:wasGeneratedBy we use duv:Generates
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15:20:51 <newton> Hi
15:20:59 <newton> There is someone here?
15:21:20 <newton> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_notes
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15:28:35 <BernadetteLoscio> eric?
15:36:03 <ericstephan> Hi is everyone back?
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