12:53:24 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:53:24 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/03/28-dwbp-irc 12:53:36 meeting: DWBP Weekly Telecon 12:53:46 chair: Hadley 12:54:03 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140328 12:55:09 Eric_Kauz has joined #DWBP 12:55:39 Caroline_ has joined #dwbp 12:57:08 HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp 12:57:39 deirdrelee has joined #dwbp 12:57:59 +laufer 12:58:42 zakim, this is dwbp 12:58:42 ok, PhilA; that matches DATA_DWBP()9:00AM 12:59:05 JoaoPauloAlmeida has joined #dwbp 12:59:49 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:00:29 +[IPcaller.aa] 13:00:33 +HadleyBeeman 13:00:36 zakim, ipcaller.aa is me 13:00:36 +PhilA; got it 13:00:38 martin has joined #dwbp 13:00:45 zakim, who is here? 13:00:45 On the phone I see +1.609.557.aaaa, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], PhilA, HadleyBeeman 13:00:48 On IRC I see martin, BernadetteLoscio, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, Caroline_, Eric_Kauz, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, laufer, ivan, trackbot 13:01:34 +[IPcaller.aa] 13:01:48 Zakim, IPcaller.aa is me 13:01:48 +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it 13:01:51 zakim, dial ivan-voip 13:01:51 ok, ivan; the call is being made 13:01:53 +Ivan 13:02:04 zakim,aaaa is me 13:02:04 +Eric_Kauz; got it 13:02:06 zakim, mute me 13:02:06 Ivan should now be muted 13:02:29 zakim, who is here? 13:02:29 On the phone I see Eric_Kauz, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], PhilA, HadleyBeeman, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Ivan (muted) 13:02:31 On IRC I see martin, BernadetteLoscio, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, Caroline_, Eric_Kauz, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, laufer, ivan, trackbot 13:02:45 adrianov has joined #dwbp 13:02:59 zakim, mute ipcaller 13:02:59 [IPcaller] should now be muted 13:03:01 yaso has joined #dwbp 13:03:12 zakim, ipcaller.a is deirdrelee 13:03:12 +deirdrelee; got it 13:03:19 unmute ipcaller 13:03:21 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 13:03:38 antoine has joined #DWBP 13:03:40 +??P19 13:03:46 zakim, ??P19 is me 13:03:46 +martin; got it 13:03:48 +ericstephan 13:04:28 zakim, pick a victim 13:04:28 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ivan (muted) 13:04:36 zakim, pick a victim 13:04:36 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JoaoPauloAlmeida 13:04:40 zakim, mute me 13:04:40 martin should now be muted 13:04:53 gatemezi has joined #dwbp 13:04:58 scribe: JoaoPauloAlmeida 13:05:02 +[IPcaller.a] 13:05:05 +Yaso 13:05:09 zakim, IPcaller.a is me 13:05:09 +antoine; got it 13:05:43 https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-03-21 13:05:50 newton has joined #DWBP 13:05:59 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:06:01 PROPOSED: approve last week's meeting notes 13:06:05 +1 13:06:06 +1 13:06:11 +1 13:06:11 +1 13:06:14 +1 13:06:14 +1 13:06:15 +1 13:06:16 flavio has joined #DWBP 13:06:16 +1 13:06:20 Zakim, Yaso has nathalia 13:06:20 +nathalia; got it 13:06:28 Zakim, Yaso has flavio 13:06:28 +flavio; got it 13:06:30 +1 13:06:40 Zakim, Yaso has newton 13:06:40 +newton; got it 13:06:54 Zakim, Yaso has Vagner 13:06:54 +Vagner; got it 13:06:55 RESOLVED: approve last week's meeting minutes 13:07:26 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open 13:07:28 TOPIC: action follow up 13:07:43 action-2? 13:07:43 action-2 -- Deirdre Lee to Lee to work with bernadetteloscio to create skeleton of uc document -- due 2014-02-21 -- OPEN 13:07:43 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/2 13:08:03 is this Deirdree? 13:08:05 https://github.com/w3c/dwbp 13:08:29 Deirdree reports action is done, skeleton of use cases uploaded 13:08:32 deirdrelee: we did it at https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/usecasesv1.html 13:08:37 better looking this way: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/usecasesv1.html 13:08:38 +[IPcaller.a] 13:08:52 zakim, ipcaller.a is BernadetteLoscio 13:08:52 +BernadetteLoscio; got it 13:09:06 Thanks Ivan for that HTML view - didn't know about that 13:09:15 close action-2 13:09:15 Closed action-2. 13:09:36 HadleyBeeman: Asked if the process was helpful 13:09:45 deirdrelee: Yes, it helped.. 13:10:12 vagner has joined #dwbp 13:10:20 Zakim, Caroline_ has yaso, nathalia, newton, flavio, Vagner 13:10:20 sorry, Caroline_, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_' 13:10:26 HadleyBeeman: asks a volunteer to help tracking action status 13:10:34 Zakim, Caroline has ysao, nathalia, newton, flavio, vagner 13:10:34 sorry, Caroline_, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline' 13:10:43 MakxDekkers has joined #dwbp 13:10:50 deirdrelee: volunteers to track status of actions 13:10:54 q+ 13:11:05 can you repeat that? 13:11:05 zakim, unmute me 13:11:05 Ivan should no longer be muted 13:11:13 action-8? 13:11:13 action-8 -- Yaso Córdova to Will create a scope for the modules -- due 2014-04-04 -- OPEN 13:11:13 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/8 13:11:17 thanks 13:11:34 zakim, who is talking? 13:11:35 zakim, who is noisy? 13:11:40 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:11:40 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:11:45 HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Eric_Kauz (22%), Yaso (42%) 13:11:57 PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Eric_Kauz (12%), Yaso (50%) 13:12:03 +Makx_Dekkers 13:12:05 Yaso: action was completed by BernadetteLoscio, should follow up on the f2f meeting 13:12:21 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014 13:12:33 HadleyBeeman: let's check whether that item is really in the agenda of the f2f meeting 13:13:26 yaso are you suggesting discussion after the presentation of the use cases? 13:13:29 action-2 closed http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/2 13:13:49 I think its a good idea 13:13:54 Yes! 13:14:05 i have a bad connection :( 13:14:18 Yaso: propose discussion on issue of "on" x "in" after lunch in the first day 13:14:29 thanks ;) 13:14:31 q? 13:14:43 q- 13:14:54 Zakim, who is noisy? 13:15:03 zakim, who is noisy? 13:15:05 JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (95%), HadleyBeeman (16%) 13:15:08 vagner has joined #dwbp 13:15:16 PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (19%), HadleyBeeman (25%), Yaso (45%) 13:15:21 zakim, muste deirdrelee 13:15:21 I don't understand 'muste deirdrelee', PhilA 13:15:22 Zakim, mute deirdrelee 13:15:23 deirdrelee should now be muted 13:15:30 Zakim unmute deirdrelee 13:15:32 zakim, mute yaso 13:15:32 Yaso should now be muted 13:15:35 is someone cursing? 13:15:43 :-) 13:15:56 Zakim, unmute deirdrelee 13:15:56 deirdrelee should no longer be muted 13:16:04 -Yaso 13:16:09 TOPIC: action 9 13:16:19 action-9? 13:16:19 action-9 -- Makx Dekkers to Reflect his e-mail on scope in the use cases wiki -- due 2014-02-28 -- OPEN 13:16:19 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/9 13:16:25 +Yaso 13:16:43 action-8 closed http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/8 13:16:46 Zakim, Yaso has caroline, newton, vagner, nathalia, flavio 13:16:46 +caroline, newton, vagner, nathalia, flavio; got it 13:17:06 MakxDekkers: reports he has Reflect his e-mail on scope in the use cases wiki 13:17:10 action-9 closed http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/9 13:17:58 action-12? 13:17:58 action-12 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to add a section of the notes page of the wiki to have topics (government, dbpedia, cultural heritage, etc.) -- due 2014-03-21 -- OPEN 13:17:58 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/12 13:17:59 how do I state that in the minutes? 13:18:09 i did it last week 13:18:16 its done1 13:18:17 HadleyBeeman: As Tomas isn't here we'll leave is action item open 13:18:21 ;) 13:18:22 HadleyBeeman: we'll skip action-10 13:18:34 action-131? 13:18:34 Sorry, but action-131 does not exist. 13:18:38 action-13? 13:18:38 action-13 -- Yaso Córdova to Add notes on the http://retratodaviolencia.org/ case into the use cases wiki -- due 2014-03-21 -- OPEN 13:18:38 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/13 13:18:41 action-12 closed http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/12 13:19:02 Yaso: will work on action-13 on the plane, will be done by Monday 13:19:31 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/URI%27s_versus_API%27s 13:19:32 action-14? 13:19:32 action-14 -- Carlos Laufer to Work with Yaso to summarise api discussion on the ,mailing list -- due 2014-03-28 -- OPEN 13:19:32 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/14 13:19:57 HadleyBeeman: asks whether we should discuss action-14? 13:20:03 Zakim, unmute laufer 13:20:03 sorry, Caroline_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to laufer 13:20:03 zakim, who is muted? 13:20:03 Zakim, unmute laufer 13:20:03 zakim, unmute ipcaller 13:20:04 I see [IPcaller], martin, BernadetteLoscio muted 13:20:05 sorry, JoaoPauloAlmeida, I do not know which phone connection belongs to laufer 13:20:05 [IPcaller] should no longer be muted 13:20:05 zakim, unmute me 13:20:06 sorry, laufer, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:20:14 zakim, ipcaller is laufer 13:20:14 +laufer; got it 13:20:22 zakim, ipcaller is laufer 13:20:22 sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller' 13:20:23 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/URI%27s_versus_API%27s 13:20:38 newton_ has joined #DWBP 13:20:45 flavio_ has joined #DWBP 13:20:59 laufer: created a page on the wiki with reflecting the discussion 13:21:34 +1 13:21:39 laufer: calls for WG members to look at the page and comment 13:21:50 +1 to that 13:23:25 q+ 13:23:41 q? 13:23:46 laufer: suggests pros and cons should be listed 13:23:57 laufer: instead of simply hanving a single conclusion 13:24:38 s/hanving/having 13:24:38 ack phil 13:25:07 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=2 13:25:45 +1 13:25:47 PhilA: suggests laufer to add pros and cons to the spreadsheet that was created with challenges 13:25:51 +1 13:25:54 +1 13:25:54 laufer: will do that 13:26:00 +1 13:26:28 +1 13:26:31 HadleyBeeman: new action as agreed by laufer 13:26:32 action: laufer to distil URI vs API discussion into General Challenges as far as possible 13:26:32 Created ACTION-16 - Distil uri vs api discussion into general challenges as far as possible [on Carlos Laufer - due 2014-04-04]. 13:26:45 thanks 13:26:49 close action-14 13:26:50 Closed action-14. 13:27:04 zakim, mute me 13:27:04 Ivan should now be muted 13:27:21 action-15 13:27:21 action-15 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to And deirdrelee to prepare a first version of extraction -- due 2014-03-28 -- OPEN 13:27:21 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/15 13:27:44 :) 13:28:09 which extraction? 13:28:19 This one gatemezi https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing&richtext=true#gid=2 13:28:23 extraction of challenges from the use cases 13:28:23 Great job! 13:28:27 Deirdrelee: extracting challenges from use cases has been done 13:28:30 \o/ 13:28:41 q+ 13:28:42 zakim unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:28:42 Thanks, PhilA 13:28:44 Email from this morning: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Mar/0219.html 13:28:54 Deirdrelee: next step is to formulate requirements that will ultimately lead to our deliverables 13:28:56 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:28:56 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 13:29:12 Indeed great job ! 13:29:41 q+ 13:29:43 nice, we should all comment on these 13:30:15 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhTZf3B9yQ3odGVvU3pBazFsY3pyUVppNDFSZGtyQkE&usp=sharing#gid=1 13:30:23 JoaoPauloAlmeida has joined #dwbp 13:30:36 HadleyBeeman: There's more time in today's agenda if you want it later 13:30:52 Deirdrelee: calls for all that have added use cases should look at challenges and review 13:30:58 HadleyBeeman: I think we should close this action as you've done it. Would you like us to create an action to look at the old use cases? 13:31:15 rrsagent, make logs public 13:31:16 Deirdrelee: should be an important task for prepare for Monday 13:31:45 deirdrelee: Do these challenges represent the group? 13:31:56 deirdrelee: Are these the type of things people had in mind when they joined the WG? 13:31:56 Deirdreelee: we are interested in feedback, is this a list of the issues we should be addressing? 13:32:25 q? 13:32:28 good stuff 13:32:31 q+ 13:32:38 ack laufer 13:32:39 HadleyBeeman: So everyone attending Monday should have read the UCR doc and challenges by then please 13:32:58 laufer: good list of challenges, we should pay more attention to the tools being used 13:33:07 laufer: to publish and consume data 13:33:29 laufer: because formats and technologies are closely related to the tools used 13:33:36 Zakim, adrianov has adriano cesar and wagner meira 13:33:36 sorry, adrianov, I do not recognize a party named 'adrianov' 13:33:50 Zakim, this is adrianov 13:33:51 sorry, adrianov, I do not see a conference named 'adrianov' in progress or scheduled at this time 13:34:30 q+ 13:34:48 laufer: some tools are limited with respect to the metadata that can be added, he provides some examples 13:34:54 q+ to talk about Socrata/CKAN data models etc. 13:35:41 ack bern 13:35:43 laufer: the tools can be regarded as a "player" in between publishers and consumers 13:36:18 BernadetteLoscio: the spreadsheet has different tabs, with different views 13:37:15 CarlosIglesis has joined #dwbp 13:37:28 ack antoine 13:37:47 BernadetteLoscio: please, what is SLA? 13:37:50 q+ antoine 13:37:57 ack deirdre 13:38:10 Deirdrelee: we should be careful to be tool-agnostic 13:38:11 +1 13:38:14 +1 13:38:26 +1 13:38:28 +1 13:38:32 +1 13:38:49 +1 13:38:51 ack phil 13:38:51 PhilA, you wanted to talk about Socrata/CKAN data models etc. 13:39:22 q+ 13:39:24 tools could be used as 'examples' (or counter-examples) of best practices 13:39:29 Oops I missed the tabs, wow this is quite extensive 13:39:30 PhilA: emphasizes the importance of being tool-agnostic, but is not dismissing the importance of tools 13:39:33 we have DCAT that is model independent 13:40:35 PhilA: we cannot control tool producers / portal vendors, we should offer advice 13:40:51 PhilA: advice for those who decide to use a particular tool / portal 13:41:05 q+ 13:41:13 laufer 13:41:17 ack laufer 13:42:11 laufer: is concerned with the feasibility of our best practices 13:42:20 laufer: tool support is unavoidable 13:42:31 ack vagner 13:42:38 I think there is a combination of top-down and bottom-up forces 13:42:48 +1 JoaopauloAlmeida 13:43:23 s/wagner/vagner 13:43:28 q+ 13:43:45 vagner: is concerned with multiple tools (wiki, google docs, github) fragmenting our interaction 13:44:00 s/interaction/knowledge management efforts 13:44:24 vagner: proposes we standardize on the platform for knowledge management 13:44:36 HadleyBeeman: chairs are aware and will be discussed on Monday 13:45:26 ack antoine 13:45:29 q- 13:45:48 antoine: What do we have to read / prepare for Monday? 13:46:10 CarlosIglesias has joined #dwbp 13:46:14 HadleyBeeman, perhaps chairs should send out an e-mail with some preparation instructions? 13:46:14 -Yaso 13:46:32 ouch. 13:46:44 +Yaso 13:46:59 Zakim, Yaso has caroline, vagner, nathalia, newton and flavio 13:46:59 +caroline, vagner, nathalia, newton, flavio; got it 13:47:34 HadleyBeeman: at least read use case work by Bernadette and Deirdre, best practices document from GLD, perhaps additional use cases 13:48:02 its ok! 13:48:05 q+ to ask about the CSVW Use Case doc before the end of the meeting please HadleyBeeman, but it's a separate issue 13:48:16 HadleyBeeman, what topic of the agenda are we on? 13:49:10 q- 13:49:10 zakim, unmute me 13:49:11 http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-csvw-ucr-20140327/ 13:49:12 Ivan should no longer be muted 13:50:01 q+ to ask about a CSVW use case 13:50:16 ack me 13:50:16 PhilA, you wanted to ask about a CSVW use case 13:50:26 q+ to ask how people can attend remotely 13:50:39 q+ 13:51:25 PhilA: CSVW use cases assume actor creating tabular data is the same actor creating the metadata 13:52:04 Zakim, who is speaking? 13:52:09 Zakim, who is talking? 13:52:16 thanks, PhilA 13:52:16 JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (72%) 13:52:31 JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (79%) 13:53:14 adrianoc has joined #dwbp 13:54:17 PhilA: would like to see that in the use cases (different actor providing metadata for tabular data produced independently) 13:54:23 Zakim, who is talking? 13:54:25 http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-tabular-data-model-20140327/ 13:54:34 JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: BernadetteLoscio (9%), Ivan (100%) 13:54:48 Ivan: points to some work on the CSV working group 13:54:48 Zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:54:48 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:55:42 Ivan: some aspects are not csv specific and could be useful to us 13:56:33 PhilA: would like to see a real-world case 13:57:04 q? 13:57:14 +[IPcaller] 13:57:20 ack nathalia 13:57:20 nathalia, you wanted to ask how people can attend remotely 13:57:22 zakim, mute me 13:57:22 Ivan should now be muted 13:57:39 5 people 13:57:42 me included 13:57:42 topic: London F2F 13:57:49 thanks, PhilA 13:57:56 still adjusting to the scribe role 13:58:10 HadleyBeeman: will circulate instructions for remote participation 13:58:15 PhilA, will we get video? 13:58:33 would be so nice... :-( 13:58:59 I would appreciate, most laptops do 13:59:08 -[IPcaller] 13:59:14 thanks, Deirdreelee 14:00:06 ack deridre 14:00:18 +[IPcaller] 14:00:21 Deirdrelee: there are hypothetical use cases 14:01:17 Zakim, adrianov has wagner meira and adriano cesar 14:01:17 sorry, adrianov, I do not recognize a party named 'adrianov' 14:01:22 PhilA: clarifies that he meant CSVW use cases should not be hypothetical 14:01:50 +1 Deirdre 14:01:58 +1 14:02:01 Deirdrelee: challenges should guide us 14:02:04 zaki mute me] 14:02:11 Deirdrelee: scoping is not easy for this wg 14:02:14 q? 14:02:26 ack deirdrelee 14:03:13 Ivan: good 14:03:28 PhilA, can you help me closing the minutes? 14:03:31 yaso has joined #dwbp 14:03:34 Start time 1am for me :-) 14:03:36 PhilA, is there anything I have to do? 14:03:39 bye 14:03:39 -PhilA 14:03:40 bye 14:03:40 thanks!! 14:03:41 -Ivan 14:03:42 martin has left #dwbp 14:03:43 -Eric_Kauz 14:03:43 tchau! 14:03:44 -antoine 14:03:45 bye 14:03:45 -deirdrelee 14:03:46 -laufer 14:03:47 bye 14:03:49 -martin 14:03:49 bye 14:03:49 HadleyBeeman, can you stay? 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