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15:56:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:56:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:56:15 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:56:15 <trackbot> Date: 27 March 2014
15:59:02 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
15:59:03 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
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15:59:23 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
15:59:32 <Zakim> +Sam
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15:59:43 <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
15:59:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:59:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:59:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
15:59:49 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:49 <trackbot> Date: 27 March 2014
16:00:05 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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16:00:12 <paulc> Sam:  I started the meeting earlier.
16:00:18 <Zakim> +Philippe
16:00:21 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:00:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sam, [Microsoft], Philippe
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16:00:32 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:00:32 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:00:33 <plh> scribe: plh
16:00:45 <plh> agenda+ action items
16:00:49 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:00:51 <plh> agenda+ decisions this week
16:00:56 <Zakim> +??P10
16:00:57 <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft has me
16:00:57 <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
16:01:03 <plh> agenda+ task force reports
16:01:11 <Zakim> +Daniel_Austin
16:01:16 <plh> agenda+ Face-to-face
16:01:27 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:01:28 <plh> agenda+ AOB
16:01:32 <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.a has me
16:01:32 <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
16:01:35 <Zakim> +glenn
16:01:48 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
16:02:08 <krisk> Zakim, Microsoft.aa is krisk
16:02:08 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
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16:03:35 <Zakim> +??P19
16:03:44 <Zakim> +pladd
16:03:44 <janina> zakim, ??P19 is me
16:03:45 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:03:58 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:03:59 <Zakim> agendum 1. "action items" taken up [from plh]
16:04:03 <plh> Sam: none
16:04:07 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:04:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, plh
16:04:13 <plh> zakim, close agendum 1
16:04:13 <Zakim> agendum 1, action items, closed
16:04:14 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:04:14 <Zakim> 2. decisions this week [from plh]
16:04:15 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:04:16 <Zakim> agendum 2. "decisions this week" taken up [from plh]
16:04:24 <plh> Sam: issue-151
16:04:46 <plh> ... by publishing a decision, this triggers responses
16:04:58 <plh> ... those will either died down or turn into bug reports
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16:05:27 <plh> Glenn: I'm a bit surprised on the pushback to have clarity
16:05:56 <Zakim> -glenn
16:06:00 <plh> ... being told that this is not an issue isn't conducive to the discussion
16:06:02 <glenn> oops lost my connection
16:06:08 <plh> Sam: suggestion would be welcome
16:06:11 <glenn> calling in again
16:06:23 <plh> ... simply saying that references to whatwg needs to be removed isn't enough
16:06:45 <Zakim> +glenn
16:07:16 <plh> Glenn: my suggestion to remove was just a suggestion. I won't push for it
16:07:29 <plh> ... I'll try to document the risk of confusion might be
16:07:51 <plh> ... but we don't have a problem with referencing whatwg, concern is about confusion
16:08:33 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:08:33 <Zakim> agendum 3. "task force reports" taken up [from plh]
16:08:46 <plh> Sam: Testing?
16:09:44 <plh> Kris: possible to update canvas test results for IE11?
16:09:51 <plh> Plh: if you have the results, yes
16:11:19 <tantek> I am against removing references to WHATWG specs just because they're WHATWG.
16:11:32 <plh> Plh: for html 5.0, we're still working on it
16:11:40 <paulc> Canvas test results: http://www.w3.org/html/test/results/2dcontext/
16:11:51 <paulc> HTML 5.0 test results: TBD
16:12:02 <plh> Plh: we're targeting to have results by end of next week
16:13:22 <paulc> Canvas: There is more than one page:  http://www.w3.org/html/test/results/2dcontext/failures.html
16:14:31 <plh> Kris: some tests are failing on all implementations for canvas
16:15:33 <plh> Sam: the reports have 404
16:16:27 <plh> A11Y task force
16:16:38 <plh> Janina: we noted Sam's email on canvas
16:16:59 <plh> ... would be good for us to answer next week on implementations
16:17:08 <plh> ... and the spec does appear to be settling down
16:17:29 <plh> ... until we look at the new draft on Monday
16:17:48 <plh> ... hopefully, we should have it right then
16:17:58 <plh> ... don't have an ETA from Chrome
16:18:36 <plh> ... there is a bit of divergence between WHATWG on those functions. so some cycles needed
16:19:28 <plh> ... we're making sure to go through our remaining items around alt text
16:19:38 <plh> ... we'll need to be backported in 5.0
16:19:47 <plh> ... and properly reflected in bugs
16:20:08 <plh> ... we'll do our best to close on that next week, in advance of the f2f
16:20:49 <Zakim> +??P29
16:20:56 <tantek> Zakim, ??P29 is tantek
16:20:56 <Zakim> +tantek; got it
16:20:59 <plh> ... we should probably work in the 5.1 around the gap with table/summary and options for describing tables
16:20:59 <tantek> Zakim, mute tantek
16:20:59 <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
16:21:24 <plh> ... if they get that done and not controversial, we might ask to port that into 5.0
16:21:58 <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-test-infra/2014JanMar/0066.html
16:22:29 <plh> plh: some of the tests are unstable
16:24:20 <plh> ... generating results on 5 different platforms, running 10 times each
16:25:09 <plh> ... generating with the firefox test runner
16:26:08 <krisk> Great information
16:27:02 <krisk> For example http://w3c-test.org/html/browsers/history/the-location-interface/location-stringifier.html
16:27:29 <krisk> Has test that everyone fails, would be great to talk about at the F2F
16:29:03 <plh> Paul: how long will we need at the f2f?
16:29:54 <SteveF> JS said we're making sure to go through our remaining items around alt text.  we'll need to be backported in 5.0 and properly reflected in bugs
16:29:59 <plh> Plh: we'll need to bound the discussion. too many test results otherwise. we'll have to rely on folks to tell us what tests to look at and use this to inform CR at rtisk discussion
16:30:07 <plh> Media Taskf Force
16:30:23 <SteveF> all done, on my part
16:30:38 <plh> Paul: not much to report. we're meeting every 2 weeks, concentrating on EME. We're in stable state of 20+ bugs
16:30:49 <plh> ... on MSE, we did have some initials from Google
16:31:08 <plh> ... one other member is digging into the tests
16:31:11 <Zakim> -Daniel_Austin
16:31:27 <plh> ... so we may be ready to have that discussion for MSE tests at the f2f
16:31:45 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:31:45 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Face-to-face" taken up [from plh]
16:31:51 <plh> Sam: registration closes tomorrow
16:32:08 <plh> ... https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-04-Agenda#Potential_Topics
16:32:18 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:32:18 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, plh
16:32:24 <plh> zakim, close agendum 4
16:32:24 <Zakim> agendum 4, Face-to-face, closed
16:32:25 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:32:25 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:32:25 <Zakim> 5. AOB [from plh]
16:32:25 <Zakim> agendum 5. "AOB" taken up [from plh]
16:32:33 <plh> Sam: polyglot status
16:32:39 <plh> ... bug count is 0
16:32:55 <plh> Eliott: hoping it's ready to be published
16:33:20 <plh> ... will look at the test framework after that
16:33:26 <rubys> s/Eliott/Eliot/
16:33:49 <plh> Sam: on Canvas, was covered earlier
16:34:07 <plh> ... goal is to report progress by mid next week
16:34:19 <plh> ... Alt guidance work
16:34:29 <plh> ... trying to get that done by f2f
16:34:43 <plh> Paul: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Mar/0085.html
16:35:09 <plh> ... only one bug that is in 5.1 that needs to be backported into 5.0
16:35:48 <plh> ... the TF would need to discuss alt guidance future
16:35:59 <plh> ... whether it needs to be dropped
16:36:33 <plh> Janina: we're also tracking an other issue
16:38:24 <krisk> I can scribe
16:38:35 <plh> Topic: Next meeting
16:38:39 <plh> Kris will scribe
16:39:10 <plh> Paul will chair
16:39:54 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:39:56 <Zakim> -pladd
16:39:56 <tantek> thank you
16:39:57 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
16:39:58 <plh> [adjourned]
16:39:59 <Zakim> -glenn
16:39:59 <Zakim> -janina
16:40:00 <Zakim> -Sam
16:40:00 <Zakim> -??P10
16:40:02 <Zakim> -Philippe
16:40:05 <Zakim> -tantek
16:40:38 <Zakim> -krisk
16:41:16 <Zakim> -paulc
16:41:16 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:41:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, Philippe, paulc, Eliot, Daniel_Austin, [Microsoft], jaymunro, glenn, krisk, pladd, janina, tantek
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