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14:56:58 zakim, who's here?
14:56:58 apparently WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM has ended, janina
14:56:59 RRSAgent, make logs world
14:57:00 On IRC I see RRSAgent, hober, cabanier_, janina, MarkS, Zakim, trackbot
14:57:01 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:57:02 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:57:02 Date: 27 March 2014
14:57:02 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 57 minutes ago
14:57:26 zakim, who's here?
14:57:26 apparently WAI_HTML AT()6:00PM has ended, janina
14:57:28 On IRC I see RRSAgent, hober, cabanier_, janina, MarkS, Zakim, trackbot
14:57:53 zakim, this is 2119
14:57:53 ok, MarkS; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
14:58:27 zakim, who's here?
14:58:27 On the phone I see ??P22, Mark_Sadecki
14:58:29 On IRC I see RRSAgent, hober, cabanier_, janina, MarkS, Zakim, trackbot
14:58:31 zakim, this is WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
14:58:31 MarkS, this was already WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
14:58:33 ok, MarkS; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
14:58:42 zakim, ??P22 is me
14:58:43 +janina; got it
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15:00:00 zakim, what is the code?
15:00:00 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:00:30 +[Microsoft]
15:00:42 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:00:42 +paulc; got it
15:01:49 regrets: billy gregory
15:01:55 regrets: John Foliot
15:01:57 zakim, take up item 1
15:01:57 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from MarkS]
15:03:29 +[Microsoft]
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15:03:53 +Plh
15:04:03 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit/
15:05:15 +Cynthia_Shelly
15:08:50 scribe: Cynthia Shelly
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15:09:05 zakim, take up next item
15:09:05 agendum 2. "Additional Clock Adjustments Coming" taken up [from MarkS]
15:09:08 +Adrian_Roselli
15:09:35 scribeNick: cyns
15:11:05 zakim, take up next item
15:11:05 agendum 3. "HTML-WG & Web Apps F2F" taken up [from MarkS]
15:11:09 -> http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-04-Agenda HTML WG F2F Agenda
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15:14:29 -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/html-april-2014/ Register for HTML WG F2F
15:14:44 scribe: cyns
15:15:02 JS: several of us going to html 5 f2f next week
15:15:14 JS: goal is to clear 5.0
15:15:18 PL: will also make progress on 5.1.
15:15:29 zakim, take up next item
15:15:29 agendum 4. "Reviving and Expanding Media Subteam" taken up [from MarkS]
15:15:34 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Feb/0049.html Media Subteam Revival
15:15:47 -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/media-a11y-tf-2/ Join the Media Sub-team
15:15:50 JS: consensus on date and time from survey?
15:15:57 +Suzanne_Taylor
15:16:07 JS: I hear there was CSUN recruiting?
15:16:24 MS: survey closes today. best time monday 11am EDT
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15:16:54 MS: yes, made several contacts who are interested. should we leave it open for new members to respond? that will take some time
15:17:09 JS: lets go ahead and start, adjust later if needed
15:17:22 +Judy
15:17:57 RESOLVED: media sub team will resume teleconfereces mondays at 11AM EDT, starting next week
15:18:06 zakim, mute me
15:18:06 Judy should now be muted
15:18:36 MS: Erik Carlson from Apple expressed interest in rejoining
15:18:44 JS: he was very active last time. this is good.
15:19:53 JS: next stage is content to allow testing the user requirements in user agents. media with video, captions, recorded audio descriptions, level based navigation, etc.
15:20:53 zakim, take up next item
15:20:54 agendum 5. "Longdesc Update" taken up [from MarkS]
15:21:44 JS: we need to respond to Sam.
15:22:35 MS: making progress in CG, progress on implemenation testing and reporting continues. April 17 may be difficutl to meet, probably first week of May instead.
15:23:26 zakim, unmute me
15:23:26 Judy should no longer be muted
15:23:56 q+
15:26:44 ack j
15:26:53 zakim, mute me
15:26:53 Judy should now be muted
15:26:56 zakim, take up next item
15:26:56 agendum 6. "Canvas 2D Status & Next Steps" taken up [from MarkS]
15:27:03 JS: we expect to have a draft of exit criteria in about 2 weeks
15:27:57 MS: new draft of L1, hoping to get to rec by end of year. continuing feedback from msft and mozilla. waiting for for feedback from google. will ask dominic for feedback this week.
15:29:03 MS: we will cooperate as much as possible with what-wg, but will deviate in some places. we think these are legit issues in that spec, and will also file bugs there
15:29:15 q+
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15:29:36 +David_MacDonald
15:29:49 JS: need to let Sam know if we are on track. we should know more after monday's draft.
15:30:02 JS: our 2 impl are mozilla and chrome.
15:30:14 PC: how close are those implemenations to what you're proposing?
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15:30:42 MS: rick said it wouldn't take that long. i dont know about dominic. he plans to get to it soon, but doesn't have date.
15:31:18 JM: there is some concern from rick about changes making additional complexity. there may be more discussion.
15:32:30 PC: I think you should respond to Sam's email about what implementations you're using. Say how aligned they are, or that you need more time.
15:32:38 JS: would prefer to answer that next week
15:33:06 JS: Mark has done a lot of work to get feedback from Dominic. Thank you, Mark.
15:33:38 zakim, take up next item
15:33:38 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MarkS
15:33:45 ack ja
15:33:46 zakim, take up next item
15:33:46 agendum 7. "Alt Guidance & Next Steps" taken up [from MarkS]
15:34:14 JS: need steve faulkner
15:34:50 PC: here's my concern. I asked if steve's work is in 5.1 and how much needs to be moved to 5.0.
15:35:23 PC: 5.0 is now down to zero bugs. I don't want a cfc that says we're done, and have a11y-tf say no, we're still working on alt guidance.
15:35:26 JS: I agree.
15:36:01 PC: there are no bugs on alt text. that says there is no work. but steve's plan was to port back from 5.1.
15:36:30 DM: I talked to steve at csun, and I get the sense that he's done or almost done. I think we're close to moving it over.
15:36:47 JS: I need to ping him and find out the status. time is running out.
15:37:19 JS: Looking at the content, it is close, if not fully synched up. Need to verify taht work is done.
15:38:05 PC: once work is done, task force can declare that we don't need the alt text doc. we can add status to that saying that it's been incorporated.
15:38:24 PC: I don't want task force to discover late that the work isn't done, and wg wants to move forward.
15:38:40 JS: we have 1 more tf call before the f2f. we need to close this next week.
15:39:25 PC: that would be good. I'm not insisting. chairs are assuming there are no more bugs except at risk features. if tf thinks there is more alt techniques work that needs to be done, best way to signal that is to open 5.0 bugs.
15:39:26 sorry I am here but also in a work meeting
15:40:09 AS far as I am concerned what is in 5.1 but not in 5.0 just needs to go into 5.0 and we are done
15:40:22 PC: steve enumerated bugs that were outstanding, there were some that weren't in 5.0
15:40:56 DM: can confirm that there are things in 5.1 and not in 5.0
15:41:03 DM: there is still a port.
15:41:22 JS: I think Paul is asking for bugs for the ports.
15:41:39 There is an issue with the PF in regards adding a link to other advice - but a) no bug has been filed and b) its a minor editorial addition (form editors point of view)
15:41:49 PC: yes. I asked a month ago for which are being moved
15:42:22 I will go through and mark 5.1 bugs that have been resolved and need to be ported as CR bugs
15:42:24 PC: wg needs to knwo when backport is done. would like a clear statement about the changes made and to be made.
15:43:26 I would hazard that the remaining woll be back ported next time robin does a cherry pick to 5.0
15:43:35 PC: editors had an agreement to go to 0 bugs on 3/15 and we've known about this since feb. as soon as he marks these 5.0, we're out of 0 bugs, and I'm not happy about that
15:43:50 zakim, unmute me
15:43:50 Judy should no longer be muted
15:44:17 They will be resolved bugs - what is the issue?
15:44:19 JS: had a request in wai to aditional guidance.
15:44:28 JB: yes, tehre should be a bug on that
15:44:35 JS: we need a location to point to
15:45:02 PC: why is this not done? we're in the end game here.
15:45:48 PC: Steve, I don't understand how Robin knows which items are going to be back ported. are they marked editorial?
15:46:14 PC: I will start a thread with steve and robin on editors list
15:47:50 PC: I expect html5 to go back to last call, as described in plan 2014, in june. there will likely be a heartbeat after april meeting. I would like no changes between heartbeat and last call.
15:48:14 zakim, take up next item
15:48:14 agendum 8. "Table Summary Issues Redux" taken up [from MarkS]
15:49:07 JS: at csun we talked about what issues might be left over. table summary needs some editorial work. close gap btwn wcag and html
15:49:39 MS: bug from Joshue Oconnor. one to bring back summary. one that table examples need work
15:50:01 MS: we all agreed taht it wasn't worth the fight to bring back summary. we have better alternaitves on teh horizon
15:50:28 MS: close old bug, open new one against 5.1 suggesting improved examples. Josh will create some better techniques in wcag.
15:50:32 MS: thoughts?
15:51:19 JS: one possible replacement in aria draft
15:51:24 JS: aria 1.1
15:51:56 JS: don't hear any disagreement. If we get consensus fast enough on 5.1, may ask to port back to 5.0.
15:52:05 DM: currently no solution.
15:52:20 MS: details/summary is no longer at risk. is that right?
15:52:43 DM: not programitcally associated with table, but implemented in chrome
15:52:50 MS: can put it in the caption
15:52:55 DM: don't think that works with AT.
15:53:05 MS: let's run some tests
15:53:29 MS: I think this may work in FF too
15:53:48 JS: also need to find out where we are with support for aria-describedat. I'll find out
15:54:27 agenda?
15:54:42 MS: no quorum this week. summary was most pressing issue.
15:55:26 -Cynthia_Shelly
15:55:28 -Plh
15:55:31 -Adrian_Roselli
15:55:32 -janina
15:55:32 -Suzanne_Taylor
15:55:33 -David_MacDonald
15:55:41 -Judy
15:56:34 -Mark_Sadecki
15:56:50 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:56:50 On the phone I see paulc, [Microsoft]
15:57:00 http://www.davidmacd.com/test/details.html
15:57:05 http://caniuse.com/details
15:57:09 above is the tBLE SUMMARY TESTS
15:57:37 these are static test results. we should probably re run these
15:58:12 They are tests from the time I made the files several moths ago
15:58:28 -[Microsoft]
15:58:38 s/tBLE SUMMARY TESTS/Table Summary tests
15:59:09 -paulc
15:59:11 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
15:59:11 Attendees were Mark_Sadecki, janina, paulc, [Microsoft], Plh, Cynthia_Shelly, Adrian_Roselli, Suzanne_Taylor, Judy, David_MacDonald
15:59:14 Sure... I hope things are getting fixed...
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18:17:00 rrsagent, make minutes
18:17:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/27-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS
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