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13:59:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
13:59:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:59:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:59:23 <trackbot> Date: 20 March 2014
13:59:32 <nigel> Present: Frans_EBU, nigel
13:59:36 <nigel> chair: nigel
13:59:43 <nigel> Regrets: glenn
14:00:43 <nigel> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:00:45 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, nigel
14:00:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Frans_EBU, nigel, trackbot
14:01:10 <nigel> trackbot, start meeting
14:01:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:01:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:01:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:01:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:01:15 <trackbot> Date: 20 March 2014
14:01:21 <nigel> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:01:21 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, nigel
14:01:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Frans_EBU, nigel, trackbot
14:01:31 <nigel> Regrets: glenn
14:01:37 <nigel> chair: nigel
14:01:40 <nigel> Present: Frans_EBU, nigel
14:02:25 <nigel> zakim, this is TTML
14:02:25 <Zakim> ok, nigel; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
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14:02:59 <nigel> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see +41.22.749.aaaa, ??P8
14:03:11 <nigel> zakim, ??P8 is me
14:03:12 <Zakim> +nigel; got it
14:03:24 <Zakim> +pal
14:03:24 <nigel> zakim, aaaa is Frans_EBU
14:03:25 <Zakim> +Frans_EBU; got it
14:03:49 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:03:50 <nigel> Present+ pal
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14:04:00 <nigel> Present+ jdsmith
14:04:07 <nigel> scribeNick: nigel
14:05:20 <nigel> topic: Charter
14:05:39 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/timed-text-2014/results
14:08:36 <nigel> frans: describes EBU request for a change
14:09:50 <nigel> topic: TPAC 2014
14:10:10 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
14:11:09 <nigel> nigel: any requests for f2f?
14:11:20 <nigel> jdsmith: we should be fairly far along by October
14:12:46 <nigel> nigel: Could be a good opportunity with a relative stable TTML2 and IMSC to work with the WebVTT folk on the mapping deliverable, whatever form that might take.
14:13:14 <nigel> nigel: I will propose that we have a f2f meeting - the question will be how many days do we need, and which days should we hold the meeting on?
14:13:38 <nigel> nigel: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday are the options.
14:13:58 <nigel> jdsmith: travel is an important factor, otherwise it could be any one of those days.
14:14:19 <nigel> nigel: bear in mind also CSSWG and HTMLWG meetings.
14:15:03 <nigel> action: nigel to discuss with david singer possibilities for f2f before going ahead and adding TTWG to TPAC agenda.
14:15:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-274 - Discuss with david singer possibilities for f2f before going ahead and adding ttwg to tpac agenda. [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-03-27].
14:15:23 <nigel> s/action/Action
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14:15:50 <nigel> Present+ plh
14:16:24 <nigel> topic: Docs from other groups
14:18:17 <nigel> nigel: iterates through docs from other groups as listed in the agenda.
14:19:44 <nigel> nigel: since the agenda there's also been a reversion to LC for CSS Flexible Box Layout Module Level 1
14:19:55 <nigel> ... We plan to use this!
14:20:28 <nigel> nigel: URL is http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-flexbox/ and Editor's Draft is http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-flexbox-1/
14:21:14 <nigel> nigel: I encourage all to review this and I will collate any comments. They suggest a 4 week review period ending April 22.
14:21:56 <nigel> ... therefore comments back to me (I'll add an agenda item for this) by 17th April at very latest.
14:23:32 <nigel> pal: Suggests process to put together comments and submit our comments to reflector.
14:24:27 <nigel> pal: would be good to have a feedback comments document from the group for TTWG review prior to submission to CSS WG by the chair.
14:24:33 <nigel> nigel: agrees
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14:25:57 <nigel> pal: one comment is based on change proposal 15 - it would be helpful to get consensus on CP15 before submitting comments based on it.
14:26:04 <nigel> pal: of course individuals can always comment anyway.
14:27:36 <Zakim> +??P15
14:27:48 <nigel> zakim, ??P15 is thierry
14:27:48 <Zakim> +thierry; got it
14:27:52 <tmichel> zakim,??P15 is me
14:27:52 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as thierry, tmichel
14:27:54 <nigel> Present+ thierry
14:28:25 <nigel> s/thierry/tmichel
14:29:44 <nigel> topic: Change Proposals
14:30:32 <nigel> nigel: CP15 is the only one with any movement I'm aware of so I'll walk through the changes
14:30:33 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
14:31:18 <nigel> nigel: Peter Linss of the CSS WG responded that " the box-decoration-break property was moved to the CSS Fragmentation spec"
14:31:33 <nigel> ... and "we expect that spec to reach CR before the end of the year. Hopefully this satisfies your needs."
14:31:58 <nigel> http://drafts.csswg.org/css-break/#break-decoration
14:32:45 <nigel> nigel: the timescales are quite close to those for TTML2 so we may consider making a response to this.
14:33:54 <nigel> jdsmith: what's the purpose of the Fragmentation spec
14:34:43 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015#box-decoration-break
14:35:52 <nigel> nigel: we intend to use css box-decoration-break: clone property to achieve the desired effect. This is in the CSS Fragmentation spec now.
14:39:12 <nigel> nigel: walks through the Issue-286 proposal in CP15, opens up for comments, noting that Glenn is particularly interested.
14:39:45 <nigel> pal: TTML1 processors that see that attribute - is the expectation that they ignore it and not add padding?
14:40:33 <nigel> nigel: yes because they'd use the profile and feature mechanism for processors to work out if they need to support it
14:40:52 <nigel> ... so processors would ignore it if they don't know it.
14:41:35 <nigel> pal: that would be a nice way around it
14:42:16 <nigel> nigel: if it is ignored then impact is slightly less readable text but no unpleasant text wrapping impacts.
14:42:50 <nigel> pal: it would be good to verify that existing implementations quietly ignore attributes (without complaining) in the tts namespace that they do not recognise.
14:43:33 <nigel> nigel: happy for implementors to verify this or we could alternatively put this and other new TTML2 features into a new namespace
14:43:42 <nigel> pal: yes that's another possibility.
14:44:32 <nigel> pal: having an ignorable attribute provides a nice way forward for any new attribute in the TTML2 namespace
14:44:47 <nigel> nigel: yes, I'd be interested in glenn's views on this and the  interaction between this and profile features
14:45:57 <nigel> nigel: that's all on CP15 for this week - I'm looking at the use of flex for multiple row alignment too, which is work in progress.
14:46:38 <Zakim> -Frans_EBU
14:46:44 <Zakim> +Frans_EBU
14:51:07 <nigel> action: pal review issues in CP12 and if one is needed for handling new attributes in TTML2 in same namespace as TTML1 then raise it, and link to issue-286.
14:51:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-275 - Review issues in cp12 and if one is needed for handling new attributes in ttml2 in same namespace as ttml1 then raise it, and link to issue-286. [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2014-03-27].
14:51:12 <nigel> s/action/Action
14:51:36 <nigel> topic: AOB
14:52:47 <nigel> nigel: we seem to have an option on the tracker to send emails on changes to issues and actions by default - the current default is not to send emails.
14:53:09 <nigel> nigel: I propose changing this default to 'do send emails unless member has opted out'
14:53:24 <nigel> nigel: this may give a more positive experience than people have now.
14:53:37 <tmichel> no objection.
14:53:59 <nigel> Action nigel Request tracker default change to 'email'
14:53:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-276 - Request tracker default change to 'email' [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-03-27].
14:55:01 <nigel> nigel: There's going to be some service outage at MIT next week - not sure of the impact to W3C..
14:55:12 <nigel> tmichel: should be a short outage.
14:56:04 <nigel> nigel: Outages likely on Sat 29th March to servers
14:56:34 <Zakim> -thierry
14:56:53 <Zakim> -pal
14:56:55 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
14:56:55 <Zakim> -nigel
14:56:56 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
14:56:56 <Zakim> Attendees were +41.22.749.aaaa, nigel, pal, Frans_EBU, [Microsoft], thierry
14:57:15 <nigel> rrsagent, make logs public
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14:57:35 <nigel> rrsagent, publish minutes
14:57:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-tt-minutes.html nigel
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